Phil Schiller and Craig Federighi Talk iMessage, Siri API and Mac App Store on 'The Talk Show'

[Ploki]

It's all semantics. When those of us say 'real computer' these days, we mean something more that a toy designed almost exclusively for media consumption and social networking. We all know a digital clock is a 'computer' technically, anyway. But when we use the term 'real computer' we are referring to something that has the flexibility to run almost any program available (not just what apple deems fit on the app store) ... something that allows us to manage our files and programs in unique ways ... and something that allows us to use truly powerful content creation software (like Adobe premiere) to create complex works that may require way more than 128 gigs of space and require external drives to support. The list goes on, but again, my point is that when we say 'real computer' we're definitely not talking about the ipad.

That's just circle jerk. If you can't do anything decent on an iPad Pro its becasue you're incapable not because its a ****** tool. A lot of designers, a lot of audio editors and video editors use Wacom pads instead of mouse. You can do *a lot* on an iPad Pro.

As far as general populace, they have been using computer mostly exclusively for that for a while now. Even in early 2000s, people used PCs to chat on IRC and play MP3s on Winamp.

Just because you can't edit a feature film on an iPad that doesn't mean its not a computer.

Dedicated NLE computers are usually called workstations, and for a reason. And almost nobody I know renders anything larger than 20mins+ on a laptop, but have dedicated machines to do the rendering (at least), rarely anybody does editing on a laptop anyway.
Ergo, laptop is not a real computer?

That's a ****** term for defining what computer is. Your only definition so far has been:
- an OS foundation that's at least 15y old
- an application that's at at its core and workflow at least 13y old

It's a different computer i'm not saying it isn't or that it's a fully fledged keyboard+mouse replacement, but saying it's a "toy" for social media is just a kneejerk snobbish reaction to a fine piece of tech. It can be a very powerful tool. It can be a very powerful addition to a MacBook. It's not a clock and its not a toy.

 

[PeterJay]

I can only guess at why they backtracked on their initial imessage plan to make it available on all platforms along with FaceTime.

I know that Jobs announcing that was a complete surprise to the members of the team developing FaceTime. It was not designed to be an open standard.

Also there was a court case after its release about infringement of some sort of patent. Apple would not have been able to release it as an open standard if it depended on an element of technology they didn't control.
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Good... lord.

There's plenty to be cynical about, like the seemingly arbitrary line drawn regarding Macs that won't be supported by Sierra—

Agree with everything you said apart from this bit.

Sierra works on MacBook Pros back to 2009. It will be some large hardware feature missing from previous models which causes the problem (such as a lack of 64-bit support, or file encryption built into the hardware etc.)

Older MacBooks can still be used, you just won't be able to run the newest iOS, (and over time, fewer and fewer apps will be able to be upgraded.)

It is no worse a situation than that with Windows. Until recently I would buy a new computer whenever I did a major Windows version upgrade.
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These kids with $700 + to spare..

Am I missing something?

Yes, you are missing the fact the update comes with software not hardware.

It is a free update.
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No. They got where they are because they made great products that people loved to use. According to Apple messages is the most used app, hence their focus on it.

Also, messages is an area where they get quite a lot of "bang for their buck" in terms of additions that are very easy to see and understand, compared to technically more difficult but necessary stuff like underpinnings of the file system.

 

[Lord Hamsa]

"Where are the Macs Phil?" would have been first thing I would have asked. Phil would definitely give a BS answer like when he defended 16GB iPhones, but someone needs to publicly ride Apple's ass about Macs. Its not even funny anymore.

It's WWDC - they're introducing the OS, apps, and APIs, not the hardware. They haven't showed off a new Mac at WWDC in ages - maybe the 2013-updated Mac Pro, but I'm pretty sure even that wasn't a WWDC announcement. They don't talk about iPhone, iPad, etc., hardware updates either. The only hardware exceptions would be totally new (Apple Watch) or significantly updated from a developer's point of view (4th gen aTV) - and technically that was to introduce watchOS and tvOS to the developers, not the hardware itself.

If you hold unrealistic expectations, you're always going to be disappointed.

 

[TechZeke]

It's WWDC - they're introducing the OS, apps, and APIs, not the hardware. They haven't showed off a new Mac at WWDC in ages - maybe the 2013-updated Mac Pro, but I'm pretty sure even that wasn't a WWDC announcement. They don't talk about iPhone, iPad, etc., hardware updates either. The only hardware exceptions would be totally new (Apple Watch) or significantly updated from a developer's point of view (4th gen aTV) - and technically that was to introduce watchOS and tvOS to the developers, not the hardware itself.

If you hold unrealistic expectations, you're always going to be disappointed.

The point of my post wasn't just about WWDC; we should've seen Macs in March, which is a hardware focused event. Seriously - the "it's a software event" argument is old, tired, and overused since it hasn't stopped Apple before. If they really want to show off hardware at WWDC, they will do it plain and simple. Again, I wasn't even singling out WWDC.

 

[NT1440]

Is this episode ever going to be available as a podcast? I don't ever listen to this show but I'd like to hear Phil and Craigs thoughts.

 

[Tech198]

I like these talk shows because the truth comes out behind the scenes Apple wouldn't admit on stage ever. But they forget one thing ... MR will blow it all open anyway

I don't really get why everyone is fascinated about emoji's and Not the main part of iOS which is a new OS, or major update to include allot of other stuff.... My take on this is "Don't users even go outside of iMessage?"

I like to look at the OS as a while, then focus on what i like, and not just "well, we just use iMessage most of the time, oh look, new emjoi's, but we couldn't care less about the other 98% of work over 2 years"

It's like saying "we will give people would we want, they will se useful like iMessage", and they won't care about what iOS give us. and that is all we were really looking or anyway..



Or perhaps, everyone just messages too much

I'm not surprised about the stock app deleting thing.... Apple does what it does just to make users happy......and we are happy when we cannot see it.

Yes, give us a podcast

 

[American Hero]

The fact that you can't figure out that I'm referring to you pretty much validated my original comment. In short, the mind is a terrible thing to waste.

The fact that you can't even understand what I was saying to you speaks volumes. You're officially ignored, have a good one.

 

[fumi2014]

Harrison is excited about using Siri.

 

[name99]

Where does Apple say that 90% of changes are bug fixes?

Read the various release notes at:
https://developer.apple.com/library/prerelease/content/navigation/

 

[developer13245]

Read the various release notes at:
https://developer.apple.com/library/prerelease/content/navigation/

Umm SORRY! I was asking specifically about the 90% number. Your link is the landing point for ALL documentation, so NO it does not support the 90% number, and NO I'm not going to ply through all that to extract data.

So the 90% number is pulled out of a very dark hole.....

The even sadder part is if you believe 90% of changes are bug fixes, then you actually admit El Crap is indeed CRAP!
And even sadder, you also are just grabbing you own ankles for Apple because of the amount of hardware that will be STUCK WITH El CRAP because Apple is not supporting anything beyond EL CRAP is significant. So all those bug fixes will never make it to a Mac Pro 3,1 machine.... Really? Is your real name Gary, or Liam? Either way meet Bricktop, the new Apple:

The sooner developers start thinking like Tommy, the better.

 

[ScooterComputer]

Sierra works on MacBook Pros back to 2009. It will be some large hardware feature missing from previous models which causes the problem (such as a lack of 64-bit support, or file encryption built into the hardware etc.)

This is incorrect. Sierra is NOT supported on MacBook Pros released in 2009; it is however officially supported on the plastic unibody MacBooks from late-2009. Make any sense? Certainly not to me, since I paid the Pro premium for my 2009 13" MBP. As to your assertion that hardware is missing... nope, wrong again. Turns out the Sierra Dev release WILL RUN on those very same 2009 MacBook Pros, with a bit of kext fiddling. As in, all the bits are there, Apple just doesn't provide the board descriptors in the kext files SPECIFICALLY for the MacBook Pros. Why are the bits there? Because all the hardware in those units was also used in other officially supported machines. Your assertion is debunked. Take a stroll over to the 10.12 Sierra Unsupported Mac thread on this site and spend some time. Arbitrary and capricious.

(Considering that the 13" 2009 MacBook Pros were a HUGE breakout seller for Apple, the biggest single model seller in Apple's history up to that time, and also considering that the 13" MacBook Pro form factor didn't even see an update after 2012, but still sells to this day and in non-trivial numbers to the education market, I'd not be surprised if those models account for over 10% of Apple's laptop installed base. That's a heck of an opportunity to push for upgrade sales. But sad that a company with $220B in the bank has picked forced obsolescence over simply delivering a laptop today with the cost/benefit of that model. Then again, dolt Phil the Schill made comments not long ago that people running 5 year old computers were "sad". Pretty clear how Apple thinks about long-term customers who are still using their kit but not throwing cash on the pile.)

 

[msh]

This is incorrect. Sierra is NOT supported on MacBook Pros released in 2009; it is however officially supported on the plastic unibody MacBooks from late-2009. Make any sense? Certainly not to me, since I paid the Pro premium for my 2009 13" MBP. As to your assertion that hardware is missing... nope, wrong again. Turns out the Sierra Dev release WILL RUN on those very same 2009 MacBook Pros, with a bit of kext fiddling. As in, all the bits are there, Apple just doesn't provide the board descriptors in the kext files SPECIFICALLY for the MacBook Pros. Why are the bits there? Because all the hardware in those units was also used in other officially supported machines. Your assertion is debunked. Take a stroll over to the 10.12 Sierra Unsupported Mac thread on this site and spend some time. Arbitrary and capricious.

(Considering that the 13" 2009 MacBook Pros were a HUGE breakout seller for Apple, the biggest single model seller in Apple's history up to that time, and also considering that the 13" MacBook Pro form factor didn't even see an update after 2012, but still sells to this day and in non-trivial numbers to the education market, I'd not be surprised if those models account for over 10% of Apple's laptop installed base. That's a heck of an opportunity to push for upgrade sales. But sad that a company with $220B in the bank has picked forced obsolescence over simply delivering a laptop today with the cost/benefit of that model. Then again, dolt Phil the Schill made comments not long ago that people running 5 year old computers were "sad". Pretty clear how Apple thinks about long-term customers who are still using their kit but not throwing cash on the pile.)

To put it bluntly, then, Apple is a sleazy company obsessed with maximizing profit. It would seem that ethics is not to be found at the intersection of Liberal Arts and Technology in Apple world.

 

[maxsix]

To hoards of average consumers iMessage is invisible and unknown. Or sure they notice that some messages are blue and some are green, but they don't care and can't be bothered. iMessage is just another gimmick for Apple devotees to obsess over. A copy of BBM from decades ago. Another excuse for Apple to brag and impress the easily amused.

With a huge presence on the East and West Coasts, Apple seems larger than life to the devotees. The same ones that get deep intrinsic satisfaction bragging about Apple profits, living vicariously as though it was their money.

Apple has a golden opportunity if they don't wait too long, get the company back on track as a leader and innovators. Or sit back till the profits subside. They can't go on forever without a shift in strategy.

 

[crazybird]