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I wonder if these "people" he's talking about are Tim Cook? It seems like the thing he'd be excited about.

The Mac users I know, and like myself, want stability and not gimmicks, and a new file system is the most exciting thing Apple has announced with relevance to the Mac in many years' time.

I like both but I agree about APFS; that's huge.
 
Your nostalgia doesn't make that true.

You're statements to the contrary doesn't make your opinion true either.
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Did Gruber ask the obvious follow-up question regarding deleting the built-in apps: when will we be able to set different apps as the defaults for mail/web browser/etc.

Of course not. Gruber will ask a somewhat challenging question, but even when it's answered with a vague 'non-answer' he'll just move on to the next question on his sheet. He never presses the issue like a real reporter would.
 
i'm confused by your post. as you stated iMessage will send out a SMS to non imessage users - in what way is that not cross platform? will WhatsApp do the same thing? no. I don't have WhatsApp on my phone (I really don't need anymore Face Book apps on my phone - two are enough) so I can't get any messages from it. I think Apples approach was brilliant!
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It's cross-platform at the expense of extremely degraded functionality. You can't do group chats like that, you can't share rich media. Does WhatsApp have that fallback? No. But it has full-featured clients for all major platforms and has become so pervasive around here that no even bothers using a different messenger. I'm astounded by the amount of people claiming that platform exclusiveness is a non-issue because they only have iPhone contacts. This is certainly not the case in Europe. If Apple wants to extend iMessage's reach in markets they do not dominate, it needs to support at least Android. And even then then it's an uphill battle
 
You're statements to the contrary doesn't make your opinion true either.

iPhone/iPad and any other similar smart devices are computers. They actually work very much the same as their less mobile counterparts (you see, laptops are also mobile devices.)

Despite the fact that you think you can't do anything with them, today's iPhones and iPads are twice and more as powerful as laptops from less than 10 years ago (in raw computing power), are completely interactive.

You might not like how they work and what they allow you to do, but they are computers and very capable ones at that.

Despite the fact what internet warriors think about, you can create things on an iPad Pro out of the box that you can't on a macbook. I don't think its a replacement, and I don't think it will be any time soon, but saying these are "consuming devices" and "not computers" is just shallow ignorance.

If you don't deem the power iPad Pro sports under the hood as computing that's your problem not the devices problem.

Pure fact that it's a different kind of computer doesn't mean its not a computer. Or a consumer device (like TVs or radio transmitters or something).
 
But What's App is a separate messaging app to.. OTHER What's App users... So...... Of course it doesn't act the same way as a bog standard SMS that are part and parcel of any mobile phone.
It's cross-platform at the expense of extremely degraded functionality. You can't do group chats like that, you can't share rich media. Does WhatsApp have that fallback? No. But it has full-featured clients for all major platforms and has become so pervasive around here that no even bothers using a different messenger. I'm astounded by the amount of people claiming that platform exclusiveness is a non-issue because they only have iPhone contacts. This is certainly not the case in Europe. If Apple wants to extend iMessage's reach in markets they do not dominate, it needs to support at least Android. And even then then it's an uphill battle

iMessage can do group chats and share rich media. I would never want to get locked into a messaging platform like WhatsApp. Look what happened to BBM. iMessage with its support for SMS works exactly how i want a messaging platform to work. If i send a message out to one of my contacts I'm guaranteed they'll get it - i don't need to worry about which app they're using.
 
The majority of Mac, iOS, Windows, Android, etc. users are not like the average MacRumors forum user. Most people would stare at you blankly if you said "file system". They wouldn't even care if you explained what a file system is. That's why Apple went hard on things like emojis and Minnie Mouse during the keynote.Those are things that average people care about. Yes, WWDC is for developers, but Apple is well aware that the keynote attracts attention from the mainstream media.

Times have changed in the tech world. Techies are such a small part of the userbase that we frequently get ignored.
I think this is spot on! I have been using mac since my G3 cruised the interwebs at 56k and I don't quite understand this new file system news. As a high school teacher I hear tons of emoji talk and I dabble too.
 
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iMessage can do group chats and share rich media.

Yes, but it's the experience for non-iOS users that I was talking about. SMS does not support rich media. Some people on this thread mentioned that group chats with Android users are actually possible. (How) does that work? If I am on Android and involved in two iMessage group chats and respond to both, who could correlate the messages with the group topics? Is that something SMS as a protocol supports?
 
In the full talk, the pair also talks about Swift, WWDC lunch boxes, and more.
What does the lunches at WWDC have to justify a mention in the talks? Was there on previous WWDCs and the lunches were fine. It's mostly sandwiches and salads to avoid heading out of Moscone for lunch saving valuable conference time.
 
Wait, they're only giving "certain kinds of apps" access to the Siri API? Which kinds of apps are those? If they leave navigation apps out, that would be incredibly petty of Apple and it would continue to hurt the user experience for those of us who don't want to use Apple Maps.
 
People are pissed because a company with 200 billion dollars should be willing and able to supply stupid toys for emoji-loving do-nothings and professional tools for people who actually do stuff. Apple may owe its great wealth to the do-nothings, but they owe their existence to the doers.

I like that people who use their phones for everyday stuff are now "do-nothings." This is the sort of regular arrogance I'm accustomed to from the crowd moaning about the hardware stagnation. People like emojis. People who use their computers as part of their daily job and communication. Computers are a general tool now, as are smart phones. Communication is the bread and butter of networking and spending a lot of time on iMessage showing how you can be more expressive is important to the people using the platform AND the people who need to understand what to develop.

Business owes its CURRENT customers and CURRENT stockholders. That's how business works. Apple owes nothing to the guy that owned an Apple II a few decades ago or a PowerBook a decade ago. They person gave Apple money for a product/service and received it. The transaction is over. The original owner is under no contract to continue to use Apple products and Apple is under no contract to do continue making products that suit the needs of that person.

Here's how this is going to play out: with app and hardware sales stagnating, Apple's going to focus more and more on their car and services businesses, and in ten years these forums will be filled with aging iOS fans pissed because all Apple does anymore is make cars.

These forums are always going to be filled with people raging about how a company that they perceive as owning them something has abandoned them. "But I nee-ee-ee-ee-ee-eed a Skylake MacBook Pro. Apple, Apple! Why hast thou forsaken me!?"

The devices drive services. If you think iOS/phones are going to get displaced by cars, that's hilarious. If anything, as there is a convergence between phones and traditional computers, phones are going to be MORE important, not less. Even when cars are concerned, their current initiatives imply that handheld devices are going to be integral to their cars. People aren't going to upgrade their car each time a new model comes out. It's a completely different market with completely different rules.
 
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Business owes its CURRENT customers and CURRENT stockholders. That's how business works. Apple owes nothing to the guy that owned an Apple II a few decades ago or a PowerBook a decade ago. They person gave Apple money for a product/service and received it. The transaction is over. The original owner is under no contract to continue to use Apple products and Apple is under no contract to do continue making products that suit the needs of that person.

In general I have to agree with your post, however, Apple however did have a professional circle with FCP7, and with Logic Pro X. They lost the FCPX battle, they didn't with Logic (yet).

Still, if you plan to abandon a whole professional segment that depends on your services, has paid and invested in an eco system, its at least decent to give a fair warning. If they don't have professional computing in their timeline, they should announce it, so people can adjust.

Half-assing releases and letting people wait and just giving them a little something to keep the market segment is not ethically questionable.

Quartz Composer had a significant following and circle of user, and its obvious its being phased out. That's fine. However we only know that because Apple has been ignoring it since 2011 (and as of 2015 is unsupported on iOS devices).

They killed of Aperture, but at least they gave a fair warning and a decent period of updates that bring it up to speed so you can comfortably readjust your business. They didn't give **** to FCP users. FCPX was a ground-up reworking that doesn't fit existent workflows and hardware of professionals (!) not to mention is not backwards compatible *at all* (3rd party makers sold FCP7 to X project translators).

I'm not saying FCPX is iMovie Pro, or that something is wrong with it. But they did an overhaul of something that requires a different workflow and aproach, made it incompatible with a lot of hardware and third party software (in which a professional company invests), etc.

With Logic Pro X, at least I can still use my Mackie Logic Control (since version 5). I'd be pissed too if I invested in hardware, software, just to have an update that changes fundamental workings come out of nowhere.

They're free to ignore the professional market, and I can understand why, at least please give us a fair warning and a chance to adapt, not blindly wait when the next Apple Pro App will be killed off.
 
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Yes. But didn't Apple get where they are by leading people to where they need to go rather than following their customers fickle fashion preferences?
No. They got where they are because they made great products that people loved to use. According to Apple messages is the most used app, hence their focus on it.
 
Given the lack of Mac Pro update, the noted (year after year) of a new Thunderbolt Display and the death of its pro software, it's safe to say Apple doesn't give a flying hoot about the pro market anymore.

Yet it tries to push the iPad a pro device - despite iOS' shortcomings for professional use. Talk is cheaper than making stuff, I guess.
 
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Given the lack of Mac Pro update, the noted (year after year) of a new Thunderbolt Display and the death of its pro software, it's safe to say Apple doesn't give a flying hoot about the pro market anymore.

Yet it tries to push the iPad a pro device - despite iOS' shortcomings for professional use. Talk is cheaper than making stuff, I guess.
Apple's been hamstrung by intel partially for things such as the Thunderbolt Display and the Mac Pro. The "pro" moniker on iPad depends on what you do for a living. To me it's a professional device, but to you and others maybe not.
 
iMessage can do group chats and share rich media. I would never want to get locked into a messaging platform like WhatsApp. Look what happened to BBM. iMessage with its support for SMS works exactly how i want a messaging platform to work. If i send a message out to one of my contacts I'm guaranteed they'll get it - i don't need to worry about which app they're using.

But you are locked into a messaging app. You just don't know it. You simply don't message non-apple devices.

Silly!
 
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The one thing I would have liked to see inside Messages instead of these vanity updates...

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More here
https://medium.com/@jamesmbickerton/ios-10-please-remember-the-milk-3ea6dd32793c#.vw68trlg2
 
The iPhone is not a computer and neither is the iPad. You can do some productivity on them but most definitely not all. They're mobile devices mainly used for consumption rather than creation. I don't care how many times Tim Cook gets on stage to try to convince us that the iPad Pro is a computer replacement. It's not.


An abacus is a computer.
 
I understand why apple spent so much time and energy improving (hopefully) Messages in iOS, but I really wish they would also fix Messages on the Mac. I have lost the ability to screenshare, which was a very useful tool.

Screensharing still works in Messages on Mac. I use it at least once a week.
 
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