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I can not believe the ignorance of people on this subject. Have you actually owned a LED HDTV with a blu ray player and a 5.1, or 7.1 surround system hooked up to it? It's BREATH TAKING. Every time I play a download from iTunes or use Netflix, I'm like "this is blah". Then I pop in a Blu Ray disc and I am immediately blown away at the picture quality and the audio quality. Especially audio. Uncompressed audio just sounds so much better to the human ear then compressed does. I mean sure if you use the right compression standards it can come close, but there is something about PL II, THX, and the other audio standards on a high quality surround receiver that online video can't deliver.

So anyway, yeah, I don't necessarily think we need these in our computer, because let's face it we're not going to watch these high quality movies on a computer, we want to see them in the living room. So really, why do we want blu ray in our computers? So we can pirate them of course, which is exactly why Apple doesn't put them in their computers, AND exactly why Apple doesn't let you sync your ipod touch, ipad, or iphone with more then one computer, wouldn't surprise me in the least bit if all these ways to circumvent copying are actually part of back room agreement with apple and hollywood to get more of them to be on board with selling content digitally.

Myself, personally, if I LOVE a movie, I'm going to buy it on Blu Ray. When it goes on sale on Amazon.com or at Target, it's usually CHEAPER then iTunes anyway and I don't have to wait several hours to download it and waste all that hard drive space...

I have Planet Earth and am sure there are many more after that. And often I pop in those DVD's to the PS3 and immerse in the sheer beauty of the visual.
 
Not legitimately. Videolan provides an implementation of AACS (I linked to it), but it contains no valid keys. Apple would need a proper license from the Blu-ray association for that.

They don't, hence, any software that decrypts Blu-rays is not really legitimate as far as IP infringement goes.

And yet, I can read and write to blank BD-R discs. Apple doesn't support playing Blu-Ray *movies*. That's true. But even then you can get software for your Mac that *will*.

The fact that Apple would need a license in order for a 3rd party to be able to provide licensed software should clue you in on why Apple hasn't picked up that particular torch.
 
I've yet to hear anyone ask for a thinner or lighter iMac either... :rolleyes:

I have heard people asking for cooler and quieter iMacs and for iMacs with desktop CPUs & GPUs. ;)

The iMacs have always had desktop CPUs.

The Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge generation ones certainly. Maybe check the specs before asking for something it already has.
 
Optical discs suck for backup. Best backup strategy is a combination of local and Cloud (Time Machine and say Crashplan/Carbonite/etc).

The auto eject drives are pretty expensive. Even online they're typically $50 or more.



And you can upload them to Youtube or Vimeo and share them out in minutes. Burning discs means you are stuck in the past. I'm doubting that few people have HDTV but not internet.



Backups. LOL if you're paying these prices to backup your data you are a fool

50GB media



No one is asking for it. Blu-ray is best on a large HDTV. People that care about movies are going to watch them on a suitable device. When the largest Mac display is only 27" that's a problem.

I imagine you're not very bright, but I'll tell you that I'm not backing up angry bird saves ;)
 
I used to own hundreds of VHS tapes. Then DVD came along. Sold all my VHS on eBay, and collected nearly 1000 DVDs. Then Blu-Ray came out. So, I sold all my DVDs started buying Blu-Rays, and then I realized that I am an idiot :)

I now own 0 DVDs and 2 Blu-Rays. Last time I used my Blu-Ray player was 2 years ago. Physical medias are dead to me as well. Online streaming is clearly the future and it doesn't take up a ridiculous amount of space for large collections :)

I understand trading in the VHSes for DVDs but I never understood the selling the old DVDs and buying all blu-rays. Just keep the old dvds which play fine on bluray players, and get all the new stuff you want on bluray. That's if you want physical media, which I understand some people now hate.
 
You don't get the point either. The titles in the iTunes Store are just vastly inferior in most respects to the BD ones. This situation just cannot be compared to the floppy disk case.
If you don't mind excessive pixelation, banding and macroblocking, then blu-ray is not needed to get the best PQ currently available.
You just need to lower your standards, which seems to be an oxymoran if you like Apple products.
 
Clearly your rant has affected your cognitive ability to get my point. I said iTunes movie purchases were adaptable. My content can be upgraded because it is in a more fluid digital factor. I have no idea why you rebutted with this banal nonsense.

I basically said that there´s no need to "upgrade" a Bluray as it´s already superior in quality to everything on the iTunes Store. You can upgrade all you want, but with Bluray, I dont need to.
 
Apple has been extremely frustrating when it comes to professionals. They are the wealthiest company in the world, yet their computer options are extremely limited. The Mac Pro should be the most kick ass computer on the planet, but Apple just lets it languish. It's shameful and sad.

Not to worry. I just saw the rMBP 13 commercial and it said that computer is for the professional in all of us. Problem solved for professionals, possibly solved better if you will all buy an iPhone and then also buy movies to watch on it from the iTunes store. You might not get the best sound or image quality, but you will have the satisfaction of knowing that you are using Phil's preferred solution. What could be better (for Phil)?

Same for the rest of you whiners taking exception to second rate sound and image quality. Please purchase something from the iTines store for the convenience of it and watch or listen to it on an iToy instead of poking at the bubble of Phil's alternate reality with your complaints.
 
I can sort of see getting rid of optical drives in notebooks, but for desktop machines it just seems silly. Users lose a great backup option, and they can't simply pop in a DVD or CD anymore, when the part probably only costs Apple less than $5.

Honestly, I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that optical drives are one of the parts most likely to fail, and they are trying to reduce warranty repairs, but it's still annoying.
First of all, I think a CD/DVD/Blu-Ray drive in a computer costs a lot more than $5.
Secondly, an optical drive is a BIG component inside a computer. When designing the machine, you set aside a huge amount of space so 12 cm disk can spin around at a thousand miles per hour just in case somebody pops one in. And if they don't put one it? Well, I guess all that space just goes to waste.
Think of an optical drive as an input for a computer the same way USB, Ethernet, and Thunderbolt are. The difference is, an optical drive takes up EXPONENTIALLY more space inside a computer than those other ports, and in the days of 8 and 16 GB USB thumbdrives, one has to question the value of having an optical drive.
 
No, I don't have whatever an AVR is. I don't sit around watchings screens all day so it really doesn't matter to me. I've always seen home theater systems as a waste of space and time.
No offense intended, but if you don't watch movies, how does this thread matter to you at all?
 
I can not believe the ignorance of people on this subject. Have you actually owned a LED HDTV with a blu ray player and a 5.1, or 7.1 surround system hooked up to it? It's BREATH TAKING. Every time I play a download from iTunes or use Netflix, I'm like "this is blah". Then I pop in a Blu Ray disc and I am immediately blown away at the picture quality and the audio quality. Especially audio. Uncompressed audio just sounds so much better to the human ear then compressed does. I mean sure if you use the right compression standards it can come close, but there is something about PL II, THX, and the other audio standards on a high quality surround receiver that online video can't deliver.

So anyway, yeah, I don't necessarily think we need these in our computer, because let's face it we're not going to watch these high quality movies on a computer, we want to see them in the living room. So really, why do we want blu ray in our computers? So we can pirate them of course, which is exactly why Apple doesn't put them in their computers, AND exactly why Apple doesn't let you sync your ipod touch, ipad, or iphone with more then one computer, wouldn't surprise me in the least bit if all these ways to circumvent copying are actually part of back room agreement with apple and hollywood to get more of them to be on board with selling content digitally.

Myself, personally, if I LOVE a movie, I'm going to buy it on Blu Ray. When it goes on sale on Amazon.com or at Target, it's usually CHEAPER then iTunes anyway and I don't have to wait several hours to download it and waste all that hard drive space...

I really like blu ray movies too..It's like watching a live play....

But your answer as to why "we" want blu ray on our computers is off....First of all, speak for yourself regarding piracy, you don't know why other folks want blu ray and I'm wiling to bet most don't want to pirate them...

I want it so I can put my personal HD movies of my family on them.
 
This claim is like the unemployment rate not including people that have given up looking for work...

I put 10 video files the size of an actual Blu-Ray on my SSD, it's FULL. Why in the hell would you think I'm not interested in watching high quality movies on my computer? Granted streaming media is getting higher quality, but come on.

"Here's a retina display, but you can only watch youtube videos on it."

The next iPad Pro will solve it with a Fusion Drive unit running an OSX installation.

The Pro ad could say: "Buy a Pro tablet with 1TB Fusion drive, 10x more processing power, the same battery life. From $1299,00".
 
I love reading the people arguing so strongly against Blu-ray. For some of them it's as if to be part of some new groovy, awesome, twenty-second century paradigm means you have to badmouth the "old" so you can prove you at one with "the new".

Blu-ray isn't really any different than spicy food or French colonial furniture. If you don't like it, don't buy it but don't denigrate those who do like it.
 
Customers Aren't Asking for Built-In Blu-Ray Anymore?

Of course not. They do not dare after waiting for new MacPro for a decade.
 
Not legitimately. Videolan provides an implementation of AACS (I linked to it), but it contains no valid keys. Apple would need a proper license from the Blu-ray association for that.

They don't, hence, any software that decrypts Blu-rays is not really legitimate as far as IP infringement goes.

Which is why it's a crappy technology. And the truth is, you can't have any security that works in a fixed medium. 50 million players have to be out there. All the same. It took little more than a month to reverse engineer it.

Buying a file and putting it on your computer would make an invisible and reasonable system for copy control. A file could notice that you had already played this movie the maximum number of times, and ask you for a buck to play it again or another $5 to buy it outright. Once a fixed medium is cracked, it's cracked. It just gets easier. A file you store on your computer, or on a drive in your network, can be set up to like a program. Not impossible to beat, but most people will go along with it because it's reasonable. Doesn't call the police, doesn't ask for a fortune, and doesn't leave you stranded on a plane without anything to watch.
 
People often complain that Apple is a walled garden and my response usually was... So what? if the experience to the end user is seamless and smooth and has quality then why does it matter if Apple is a Walled garden or not?

But in this case, sorry Apple. Not all of us are blind Apple cultists and go ga-ga over everything you do. Some of us can see things for what it is. You just want to rake in money through iTunes and shut the consumer out of his choices. Most importantly, high quality choices.

And thus the iTunes app loses its coveted position on my dock.. Poof.... to never be seen again.
 
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I don't have a bluray player in my house at all. Bluray movies are overpriced and inconvenient. I much prefer netflix streaming. The image quality is sharp enough for me.

That's fine for most movies, especially if you don't care about them enough to wait for when, if ever, they show up on Netflix for streaming.

For movie buffs though having the actual blu-ray disc in your collection is important for certain movies. That being said, I could really care less if I'm able to watch it on my Mac right off the disc. I have an external drive to rip if I want to, and it cost me about 1/3 of what it would have it apple integrated one.
 
I hope there is a way to physically disable the unuseful dvd-drive in my iMac 2011, there is a very big zz~~ sound come from it along with a very big gaga~~ sound come from hard disk when iMac power on.
 
And yet, I can read and write to blank BD-R discs. Apple doesn't support playing Blu-Ray *movies*. That's true. But even then you can get software for your Mac that *will*.

The fact that Apple would need a license in order for a 3rd party to be able to provide licensed software should clue you in on why Apple hasn't picked up that particular torch.

Yes, because they want to push their damn DRM'ed to hell and back iTunes content with ****** bitrates and poor quality compared to Blu-ray.
 
I love reading the people arguing so strongly against Blu-ray. For some of them it's as if to be part of some new groovy, awesome, twenty-second century paradigm means you have to badmouth the "old" so you can prove you at one with "the new".

Blu-ray isn't really any different than spicy food or French colonial furniture. If you don't like it, don't buy it but don't denigrate those who do like it.

I'm not against Blu-Ray. I'm only against including it by default in my computer. I've considered getting an external Blu-Ray drive for my MBP, and a portion of my video library is on Blu-Ray (Mostly the Pixar and Miyazaki films).
 
I recently got Prometheus and it has a digital copy that I have on my iPhone, Xbox and Nexys 7. I guess if Apple had equivalent to HDX on VUDU I'd be fine. Note that I have 3 blu ray players.

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I love reading the people arguing so strongly against Blu-ray. For some of them it's as if to be part of some new groovy, awesome, twenty-second century paradigm means you have to badmouth the "old" so you can prove you at one with "the new".

Blu-ray isn't really any different than spicy food or French colonial furniture. If you don't like it, don't buy it but don't denigrate those who do like it.

Tell it to the 7 inch haters
 
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