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Phil Schiller Claims Customers Aren't Asking for Built-In Blu-Ray Anymore
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Nope - what I hear is not only a bright crickle noise that reminds me of a fireplace (the needle produces this sound no matter what you do) - I also hear a more refined dominance of the mid-frequency region. This combined with the subtle imperfection of analog playback I guess is what makes it feel "warm" while the clean and perfect digital recording sounds "cold". I challenge you to listen to the same (and today digitally recorded) track on the same Amp once on CD and then on Vinyl (not mp3, as it wouldn't stand a chance).
I personally didn't believe this stuff either until I heard the DDD-version of November Rain on CD against the DDA version on Vinyl (Picture Disc with 45 rpm).
You sure can reproduce this kind of sound with digital media using a dedicated Equalizer. Nevertheless go and check the EQ-settings in iTunes. What you see is dumb loudness accustomed stuff taking over - meaning boost the high and boost the low.
Considering tube amps and Monster cables - yeah, if I had the money to burn I'd sure use that with my guitar rather than Line6 digital offers. And my guitar is the only area, where I like the distorted 10-0-10 profile as a good heavy metal sound.
Why bluray if we are moving towards the future? More and more games are being moves to the cloud, movies, music, everything. And you can can extremely high quality from the cloud through streaming, yes it won't be available when your internet is out, but a lot of these systems have caching implemented so you can play watch or listen when you don't have internet anyway.
I think you just need to get with the times, This is not just apple that is moving for a cloud based content system it's everyone.... And if you ask me it's a good thing, it prevents you from losing breaking stuff etc... not only, you don't have to order it and wait a couple of days or even go out and buy, as soon as something is out just a few clicks or whatever and you're playing and so on.
I think you just need to get with the times, This is not just apple that is moving for a cloud based content system it's everyone.... And if you ask me it's a good thing, it prevents you from losing breaking stuff etc... not only, you don't have to order it and wait a couple of days or even go out and buy, as soon as something is out just a few clicks or whatever and you're playing and so on.
I do not really see why people are so pissed about the blue ray ...
Yes it kinda sucks not having any media device on the computer, but the 8x double-layer SuperDrive (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW) was not even all that great of drive to begin with that apple used on the previous iMacs. Seeing how Apple has been operating lately, if they went the blue ray route it would of been lower, maybe middle, of the road quality.
So why not save the probably $200 extra Apple would of charged and go buy a good external one that reads and writes twice as what Apple would of most likely used. If you are worried about storage space, I am sure you keep plenty of other bigger crap around that you never use that you could get rid of.
I would be, and am, more pissed with the GPU/CPU selection they have gone with for the 27" models.
..... so with that said ... Why are people ready to go in with pitchforks to Apple headquarters? Don't tell me thinness is evil and its a desktop - thinness doesnt matter. just ask PC users how much fun it is to make space for a huge tower and a huge screen. (that is why I am getting an iMac, to save on desk area realestate) So minus thinness is evil argument - what else there?
Concept issue, I have a Windows 7 laptop 1600x900 with a blu-ray drive with fair power based on the price for under four hundred. So until it is an ultrabook it is hard to justify a system three times the cost without an optical drive, the only time I was okay with an external was for a sub two hundred netbook, so price is a huge factor in what I am comfortable with in this matter.
I am not to bothered about losing this as long as an external device can be bought (I still do most of my buying on physical media)
I will embrace the cloud for media usage when
1)The majority of the country (via area not population) has broadband capable of streaming HD
2)The price of media comes down in the online stores (iTunes movies are too expensive)
3)Suppliers of streaming media dont keep removing things, so I can no longer watch them
I will embrace the cloud for media usage when
1)The majority of the country (via area not population) has broadband capable of streaming HD
2)The price of media comes down in the online stores (iTunes movies are too expensive)
3)Suppliers of streaming media dont keep removing things, so I can no longer watch them
Price is a huge issue, digital gives no room for the cheap used market that has spoiled me quite a bit, if I could find blu-ray films for five dollars digital is not going to come close.
Digital down right is when a television season would cost forty to fifty dollars and the download is ten, that is a winner.
Its Just Business
"Herding the sheep" by giving A and taking away B has become ingrained in Apple's corporate culture over the last 10 years due to their phenomenal growth and success. Unfortunately with great success has come greater influence by "marketing and business" types while Engineering becomes secondary. The result is a "trickle" of features to string users along for years and years while placating the stockholders who are now perceived as the "real customers" of Apple.
All companies strive to do this. Apple is just currently doing it better than anyone else. Of course as a user, I hate it. What makes it so aggravating is that I know this is going on but their products are "just good enough" to keep that hook in my mouth....that, and the lack of quality competition.
"Herding the sheep" by giving A and taking away B has become ingrained in Apple's corporate culture over the last 10 years due to their phenomenal growth and success. Unfortunately with great success has come greater influence by "marketing and business" types while Engineering becomes secondary. The result is a "trickle" of features to string users along for years and years while placating the stockholders who are now perceived as the "real customers" of Apple.
All companies strive to do this. Apple is just currently doing it better than anyone else. Of course as a user, I hate it. What makes it so aggravating is that I know this is going on but their products are "just good enough" to keep that hook in my mouth....that, and the lack of quality competition.
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Wow, I'm a pretty big fan of 
stuff but so many of you are sipping the kool aid way too hard.
I actually can't believe how many of you are actually buying movies on iTunes. I have never seen movies on iTunes cheaper than what I can get the actual blu ray for off amazon or a best buy sale if you have a little patience. If you must have a release on day one then yes maybe it will be $19.99 on iTunes and $23 or something somewhere else. I will always prefer blu ray because the picture and audio is superior. If you don't think it is, then yes, you are the idiot target audience they are taking advantage of. I guess everyone is content (as apple wants) to watch stuff on their iPads instead of a good tv and home theater system.
Not to mention, I usually get the iTunes download of the movie for free with the digital copy. Lately digital copies have started coming in hd quality with iTunes extras and they will show up as purchased in your cloud. And all for less than buying off itunes usually. Oh yeah and I still have a BD that I can throw into any player without DRM concerns that my friends can enjoy if I want to lend them a movie or something or take it to someone's house. Everyone who buys iTunes digital downloads is rewarding a company for charging you more and giving you less! No wonder why they are so expensive. There is no shortage of sheep lining up and lining their pockets
stuff but so many of you are sipping the kool aid way too hard. I actually can't believe how many of you are actually buying movies on iTunes. I have never seen movies on iTunes cheaper than what I can get the actual blu ray for off amazon or a best buy sale if you have a little patience. If you must have a release on day one then yes maybe it will be $19.99 on iTunes and $23 or something somewhere else. I will always prefer blu ray because the picture and audio is superior. If you don't think it is, then yes, you are the idiot target audience they are taking advantage of. I guess everyone is content (as apple wants) to watch stuff on their iPads instead of a good tv and home theater system.
Not to mention, I usually get the iTunes download of the movie for free with the digital copy. Lately digital copies have started coming in hd quality with iTunes extras and they will show up as purchased in your cloud. And all for less than buying off itunes usually. Oh yeah and I still have a BD that I can throw into any player without DRM concerns that my friends can enjoy if I want to lend them a movie or something or take it to someone's house. Everyone who buys iTunes digital downloads is rewarding a company for charging you more and giving you less! No wonder why they are so expensive. There is no shortage of sheep lining up and lining their pockets
Probably because it's too ********** late. We wanted Blu-Ray since 2007. Gtfoh Phill Shilling
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PS3 games are Blu-Ray what are you talking about
Talking about blu rays movies.
Like others have pointed out, sure, customers aren't asking for it because they have given up. I guess Apple doesn't feel that any of their consumers care about watching films in the highest quality possible, which is odd considering Apple products use to specifically target the audio and video enthusiasts (or people that appreciate the art of film and music). Well they apparently don't care about those people anymore. Yes, maybe the average consumer doesn't need blu-ray, but their is such thing as options. Another strange piece of information about this entire blu-ray ordeal is that Apple supported it during the high def format war. Apparently they had no intention of really supporting it and it was just a political move in business.
Not true.I would love a Blu-Ray option on my Imac.Now we dont even get a dvd option.Does Apple really believe the whole world can afford secure and fast internet to download content?Just ask a senior citizen in America.
We now have to shell out more to get a superdrive.I feel apple should include a small superdrive player with new Imac.Seems a strange way to run a business by eliminating older options that people still use.
We now have to shell out more to get a superdrive.I feel apple should include a small superdrive player with new Imac.Seems a strange way to run a business by eliminating older options that people still use.
It's not "night and day" at all. Did you read ArsTechnica's comparison of iTunes 1080p quality vs Blu ray?
Can you pick out which is which in these super-zoomed in shots? One is iTunes one is Blu ray.
Good enough for you, must be good enough for everyone
I guess if it's good enough for you, it must be good enough for everyone.
All respect intended; I hate that attitude.
First off, most BDs I see these days are $10 to $20, and that's often for a BD/DVD multipack.
Second, BD quality blows streaming/download quality out of the water. That's indisputable. I'll grant that it may be "good enough" for you but that doesn't mean it's good enough for everyone.
Lastly, and this is my big reason; some of us ***need*** subtitles due to hearing loss. I tell you, if Apple would just add subtitles to 100% (not 30%, not **** titles, not some; ALL) I would spend just about every penny of my "disc-based movie" budget at the iTunes store. I'd be happy to say goodbye to disc-based media and trying to store it all.
I believe the "no one asks for it" line is utter ******** too. They make their money via iOS and the iTunes Store, and that's why there's no BD support. It's competition to their bottom line.
I guess if it's good enough for you, it must be good enough for everyone.
All respect intended; I hate that attitude.
First off, most BDs I see these days are $10 to $20, and that's often for a BD/DVD multipack.
Second, BD quality blows streaming/download quality out of the water. That's indisputable. I'll grant that it may be "good enough" for you but that doesn't mean it's good enough for everyone.
Lastly, and this is my big reason; some of us ***need*** subtitles due to hearing loss. I tell you, if Apple would just add subtitles to 100% (not 30%, not **** titles, not some; ALL) I would spend just about every penny of my "disc-based movie" budget at the iTunes store. I'd be happy to say goodbye to disc-based media and trying to store it all.
I believe the "no one asks for it" line is utter ******** too. They make their money via iOS and the iTunes Store, and that's why there's no BD support. It's competition to their bottom line.
I can stream from iPad or Mbp to apple tv using software media, Netflix, Hulu, etc. If I want to play a game, watch DVD or blue ray I change channels to ps3. No trouble.
What do still images have to do with video and audio quality? I don't think anyone is arguing that iTunes isn't in high definition.
Exactly! Thankfully external Blu-ray drives are available and even BD software to play back those discs. I personally love Blu-ray for films and I have a BD-RW drive to create backup discs and home video discs.
Having everything digital is not the best in my opinion. All you need is one content supplier to have a hissy fit and BOOM there goes the video/film you just paid for... in fact I think something on Amazon's service just did that not too long ago.
I may be old fashioned, but I like a physical copy of a movie so I can do whatever I please with it.
Wow, I'm a pretty big fan of
I actually can't believe how many of you are actually buying movies on iTunes. I have never seen movies on iTunes cheaper than what I can get the actual blu ray for off amazon or a best buy sale if you have a little patience. If you must have a release on day one then yes maybe it will be $19.99 on iTunes and $23 or something somewhere else. I will always prefer blu ray because the picture and audio is superior. If you don't think it is, then yes, you are the idiot target audience they are taking advantage of. I guess everyone is content (as apple wants) to watch stuff on their iPads instead of a good tv and home theater system.
Not to mention, I usually get the iTunes download of the movie for free with the digital copy. Lately digital copies have started coming in hd quality with iTunes extras and they will show up as purchased in your cloud. And all for less than buying off itunes usually. Oh yeah and I still have a BD that I can throw into any player without DRM concerns that my friends can enjoy if I want to lend them a movie or something or take it to someone's house. Everyone who buys iTunes digital downloads is rewarding a company for charging you more and giving you less! No wonder why they are so expensive. There is no shortage of sheep lining up and lining their pockets
Apple, look at how many people wrote a reply to this thread. Perhaps not every Apple fan is a dumb sheep.
What would make iTunes a more suitable choice would be getting all content up to at least 720p, better pricing, Extras that would normally going on the disks into the package and working on iOS, drop this 'rent in HD but buys are only in SD' crap etc. Movies and TV shows. And on shows, get it out within a week of first OTA to all stores to discourage torrents etc overseas ones. Given a choice between torrenting it in 720p or even 1080p now or waiting a year for it to come to the US OTA or even in iTunes and many will torrent now. Especially when it comes to the store only in SD.
This is b***s***. I've had Blu-Ray drives in my Mac Pro for a long time. Aside from large physical data backup of my media and the need for Blu-Ray's for FCP7 and Avid projects, Apple's "new" 1080P movies are nothing compared to even my Blu-Ray rips (spent a year ripping all my physical media, used Handbrake and was able to compress a Blu-Ray with multiple tracks including DTS down to 8-14 GB's depending). While Blu-Ray's still beat any ripped encode, my 1080P encodes blew Apple's out of the water (without DTS and only 5.1 surround, it's a joke).
I've been an Apple user for well over a decade, but I am d**m sick of this obsession with "thin" at the expense of function and ARM devices. The Joe-sumer may love their cheaper ARM iDevices and thin, low powered notebooks (compared to the professional systems we need to work on), but enough is enough. There IS money in the professional sect, there IS profit. Apple is ignoring a sect by neglecting updates, dropping professional products such as their older dedicated display line with more than one size, and "dumbing down" movie editing so a 12 year old can do it (which doesn't mean the industry is "changing", it just means the software is less advanced) to rake in quantity ($$$) over quality, then claim "See! The professional market is a niche, dead market!"
Enough already.
I've been an Apple user for well over a decade, but I am d**m sick of this obsession with "thin" at the expense of function and ARM devices. The Joe-sumer may love their cheaper ARM iDevices and thin, low powered notebooks (compared to the professional systems we need to work on), but enough is enough. There IS money in the professional sect, there IS profit. Apple is ignoring a sect by neglecting updates, dropping professional products such as their older dedicated display line with more than one size, and "dumbing down" movie editing so a 12 year old can do it (which doesn't mean the industry is "changing", it just means the software is less advanced) to rake in quantity ($$$) over quality, then claim "See! The professional market is a niche, dead market!"
Enough already.
guess I missed the line where Apple blocked the use of external optical or hard drives.
but are most people not storing their blue-rays on computer? I burned most all my stuff to the computer and just use external storage to keep it all. I find that better than 300 blue rays sitting on a book shelf.
they aren't talking about the disks. they are talking the insane licensing fees to support them.
but are most people not storing their blue-rays on computer? I burned most all my stuff to the computer and just use external storage to keep it all. I find that better than 300 blue rays sitting on a book shelf.
If I ripped my own collection on to a HTPC I would still have to hang on to all the originals, however I use Meritline 500 hanging file cases along with storing the disk art in binders, saved a lot of space.
Your point is taken. However if h.265 could produce higher quality 1080p at the same file size, which could be useful for larger screens such as the tvs some folks have their Apple TV box attached to, I say why not go for it. They could also reduce the file size on 720p for those that want small files for 'okay' quality.