Noone debates digital only is the future. It's just that currently (and in the next 2-3 years) it's not able to deliver the same image/audio quality and extras (including subtitles / CC's) as physical, offline (currently: BD) media. Therefore, Apple's lying "there is no demand for BD drives" is a complete ********. No wonder there are a lot of angry posts here as well.
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Phil Schiller Claims Customers Aren't Asking for Built-In Blu-Ray Anymore
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Noone debates digital only is the future. It's just that currently (and in the next 2-3 years) it's not able to deliver the same image/audio quality and extras (including subtitles / CC's) as physical, offline (currently: BD) media. Therefore, Apple's lying "there is no demand for BD drives" is a complete ********. No wonder there are a lot of angry posts here as well.
How would you prove with emprirical evidence that FCPX is "nothing" compared to Avid, PremPro and others?
It doesn't really matter if some of the Pro move on. You can look at Apple's quarterly announcements and the truth is there in full relief. The mobile devices now account for a majority of Apple's revenue/profits. So nothing you say is going to make any sense when faced against the incontrovertible evidence of iDevice domination on the balance sheet.
800+ comments on 35+ pages.
Apparently people still care about bluray.
I'll admit this much: the slot loading optical drives in my MacBook Pros are useless garbage. The drive in the 3,1 can't even read audio CDs. The one in the 5,5 can't read DVDs as of two weeks ago, but was barely ever used to begin with because the 3,1 did all the work there. These drives are garbage. I've had two external DVD R drives for years because of my PC builds. Turns out I need them for my Macs too.
So, Apple not including crap optical drives? Yay.
Not including support for playing bluray or recording bluray data discs? Not pleased but then I never invested in bluray to begin with because it used to be too expensive. Hell, the media is still too expensive. Otherwise I'd be backing up my photography and music production on bluray data discs instead of stressing and fearing hard drive failure as I do multiple drive backups. Which I also cannot afford to keep buying.
Apparently people still care about bluray.
I'll admit this much: the slot loading optical drives in my MacBook Pros are useless garbage. The drive in the 3,1 can't even read audio CDs. The one in the 5,5 can't read DVDs as of two weeks ago, but was barely ever used to begin with because the 3,1 did all the work there. These drives are garbage. I've had two external DVD R drives for years because of my PC builds. Turns out I need them for my Macs too.
So, Apple not including crap optical drives? Yay.
Not including support for playing bluray or recording bluray data discs? Not pleased but then I never invested in bluray to begin with because it used to be too expensive. Hell, the media is still too expensive. Otherwise I'd be backing up my photography and music production on bluray data discs instead of stressing and fearing hard drive failure as I do multiple drive backups. Which I also cannot afford to keep buying.
Apple's not lying. All you have to do is go to your local Apple store and ask the salesreps some questions "what are people asking for? "
The ones I've chatted with say Blu-ray never comes up and when it does and they find out the Mac doesn't have it they don't care because they primarily watch Blu-ray on their HDTV.
If we want to call Schiller a liar here we need more than our unsubstantiated opinion.
Some company should come up with a few good industrial designers and and a Linux team and make incredibly nice but expensive PC's so "Pro" users can feel unique again. (or Superior, depending on your opinion). They could load up every drive, format, codec etc. etc.
I'm really serious there is a business model in that.
The problem though, is the software. Most of the applications are not running on Linux. ...Hey there is another business model.
I'm really serious there is a business model in that.
The problem though, is the software. Most of the applications are not running on Linux. ...Hey there is another business model.
If he had used the word "[the] majority [of users]", then, I wouldn't call him a liar. He didn't use it, while he surely knows not only this, but also Apple's own support forum is full(!) of requests for a BD drive instead of the DVD superdrive from the last five years.
There is a whole world outside America. If Apple only want to consider US laws then they are perfectly within their rights to only sell in the US.
I personally don't give a hoot what the DMCA says as none of it applies to me.
They're probably not asking about retirement plans or car advice either. Anyone interested in high quality a/v knows Apple Store is not the place to go.
Support forums and forums like these bring out the vocal minority. If a consumer doesn't care they have no need to hit a forum up to lodge a complaint.
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Apple continues to sell more and more Macs sans Blu-ray player so the numbers speak for themselves. Blu-ray is not nor has ever been a dealbreaker.
More than what? They never offered them. So that's kind of like saying they've sold more Macs without ratchet sets so therefore nobody needs ratchet sets.
More than what? They never offered them. So that's kind of like saying they've sold more Macs without ratchet sets so therefore nobody needs ratchet sets.
That's absurd.
More than what? They never offered them. So that's kind of like saying they've sold more Macs without ratchet sets so therefore nobody needs ratchet sets.
You're missing the context. A ratchet set isn't needed for a computer so it's desirability is low. However if you were working on an automobile the need for a ratchet set would be higher and thus more desired.
Consumers view Blu-ray as a HDTV connected device first and foremost because that's what it's designed for. Having it in a computer is a bonus but not necessarily required for most.
I see it has a limitation; It requires an internet connection to decode the disc. Is that connection required only during the startup or need for the full length of the movie?
I agree with Apple on this, my movie collection is 95% digital as of today. I have gotten rid of almost all DVDs in the house. We have a Blu Ray collection but it is very small and mostly Disney movies for the kids, aside from Harry Potter Collection, Superman, Batman, etc.
More than what? They never offered them. So that's kind of like saying they've sold more Macs without ratchet sets so therefore nobody needs ratchet sets.
It's not absurd, it's entirely correct. We don't know they wouldn't have sold even more macs if they had offered Blu-ray support.
It's like saying 'well they sold more iPad 2s than original iPads, so not having a retina display like the iPhone 4 has clearly doesn't matter to iPad purchasers…' It's a meaningless argument.
I have over 130 movies in iTunes and I own 2 Apple TV3s. Some of my old DVD collection were ripped and the others purchased through iTunes including some 1080p movies.
The best investment right now is to buy an Apple TV and a 2tb + external hard drive.
With this configuration I will never go back to discs or blue ray. I do own a blu ray player and a few movies and the quality is top notch but I love the convenience of the digital collection.
The best investment right now is to buy an Apple TV and a 2tb + external hard drive.
With this configuration I will never go back to discs or blue ray. I do own a blu ray player and a few movies and the quality is top notch but I love the convenience of the digital collection.
Agreed but Apple's point of view borders on the 'chicken and egg' question. No demand because Apple devices always lacked Blu-Ray or no Blu-Rau because there's no demand? I personally don't care as I use other devices to watch movies. And BR for portable data storage has never caught on.
You're looking at it from the wrong angle. The sales of Macs continue to rise so the lack of Blu-ray doesn't appear to be a limiting factor.
Apple could have coated the Macs in 24k gold and sold more units. That's an easy game to play.
OK then let's make it more computer related. People don't go into the Apple Store asking for docking stations because Apple doesn't make them. But look how well Macs sell without them (sarcasm).
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They do make a docking station. Thunderbolt Display
Your premise is based on the assumption that the compute user doesn't know what they need. In fact the consumer knows their needs better than anyone and through proper discussion these needs can be uncovered and solutions found.
Because people make a their living using this techno-dinosaur technology. Sounds like you need to go to the gym if you are having trouble carrying an optical drive.
The fact that you can't see the evidence here is telling about how you think. He is a liar, because Blu-ray is here, now, today and into quite a few tomorrows, whether you like it or not. Apple wants to force their consumers into their money-removal system, where all media is lower quality and rented for a fee, or purchased digitally for a larger fee. There is no disputing that. Blu-ray threatens that revenue, and Apple wants to make maximum profits. The argument of being held back is for suckers. Spinning media is cheaper, and only a fool would believe that living in tomorrow while ignoring realities of today is best. The way it *really* works is that new tech moves in slowly, phasing in as older tech phases out with the realities of cost and acceptance.
If new tech was going to be forced upon people, I wish it was renewable energy, not some gadget for consuming media. Force us to stop using oil, not waste time in new ways with lousy-looking media. Or, if you're going to force the end of Blu-ray, at least have something that looks and sounds as good or better, not just say, "Oh, it will be better later." Screw that. The best is here today, and it's Blu-ray. When something is better for the same price or less, it will take over at that time.