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I was just looking around again, I love the used market too much, things can be cheap. $7.00 vs $18.00 for one. Extras? meh, I was rarely one to care all that much about those aside from a select few films.

I think blu-ray for nature documentaries like Planet Earth or Frozen Planet is an outstanding use of the format, used in conjunction with a large high spec Tv, it can be breath taking.

But on action movies where the detail allows you to see the make up on Bruce Willis's face?...no thanks.

Animation in general or Pixar can really shine as well, of course I would pick action films as well since those are top level entertaining films. Mostly people say comedies are not really worth it.
 
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I think is great that they have a policy towards common users. It's normal that as a common user, when you enter the apple world, having what they give you is a great option cause they've thought about every detail in order to make your experience of use easier and definitely great. For me it’s always been a plus.
But on the iMac 27" they’ve obviously forgot the audio/video guys. For me that I do weddings the DVD optic drive option is not only necessary but fundamental. The momentum that a DVD represents, with the face of the bride on the DVD or whatever, and a book with the wedding photos, is irreplaceable. Now a days there are web options and facebook or twiter options added for the wedding experience. But a solid book with “brochured” copies of photos and DVD’s can’t be replaced in that experience.
Denying a good DVD or future bluray option it’s a bad professional move. On the one hand they provide a powerful computer obviously featured for those that need time saving solution on managing files and render, with the fusion drive; I don’t think this is just a facebook status checking machine, but they strip away the necessity of being able to provide diferent professional formats, or better said consumer formats trough what I consider a working computer. I think it’s definitely sad that they chose to take DVD away and not giving bluray solution that’s been asked for by consumer of private video and photo creation.
Many people will say or think that for that type of necessities we will be provided by a tower mac pro solution. But in this economy and turn of events of the digital world that is a solution for a few lucky people that can charge for their equipment. More and more these days the payment of photo/video work it’s a global low payment that has no consideration for the equipment that you use. Since that’s a common coin in the profession, I as a professional tend to low cost in equipment in order to make a job viable of profit…
 
I think blu-ray for nature documentaries like Planet Earth or Frozen Planet is an outstanding use of the format, used in conjunction with a large high spec Tv, it can be breath taking.

But on action movies where the detail allows you to see the make up on Bruce Willis's face?...no thanks.

For some movies I do prefer sd(ones like avatar need to be full hd)
Tv shows in hd look funny in my opinion. Sport is great in HD tho
 
I would rather have a dedicated bluray player attached to my 32inch (i'm not that rich) rather than my yet to be bought imac's 21.5 inch. Now it doesn't mean i wont watch on my comp though.
also second use of bluray is to play games, so i guess having a ps3 attched to big TV is perfect!
 
For some movies I do prefer sd(ones like avatar need to be full hd)
Tv shows in hd look funny in my opinion.

You prefer some films n SD!?!

And TV shows look far and away better on blu ray vs streaming.
I bought the first few seasons of Mad Men during a blu ray sale on Amazon.
I then noticed Netflix had all the seasons- so I compared the quality.
If you only watch the stream- you will be fooled into thinking it looks great.
Once you compare to uncompressed Blu Ray you will be shocked by the difference. Shocked.

As a side note- After watching 3 seasons on blu ray- I decided I could not wait and watched season 4 on the HD broadcast.
As a result, I did not enjoy season 4 nearly as much as the first 3.
Sure- the quality of the show may have dipped- but i'm convinced presentation had a play in the overall experience.
 
Everything looks much better on Blu Ray. iTunes isn't even comparable. Yet, with the release of H.265 probably downloadable content will get really close to Blu Ray quality soon.
 
Wow after a post like this I am kinda surprised that you will still even visit a apple site.

I guess it's because I'm still using a 2008 Mac when they were still trying to make the best computers out there (although even then they were light on the graphics capabilities). But it seems the current CEO is even more obsessed with "thin" than Jobs. There is literally NO POINT to making the iMac that thin. It is completely unnecessary and serves no functional point what-so-ever. It creates space issues and cooling issues that then force them to hamper the machine by using low powered mobile parts. But what do you gain beyond some aesthetic obsession with THIN? NOTHING.

It's ironic that Apple wants to go to Retina displays since by making everything so thin, they have to limit the GPU capabilities and that then creates performance issues with that much resolution. But I gather they believe that no one uses their Apple products to do anything beyond e-mails, twitter, facebook and the occasional iTunes movie so they don't 'need' anything better.

It's a real shame because OSX was the best OS on the planet (save its support for modern graphics tech, drivers and lack of OpenGL updates) a few years ago and now it's very much a consumer phone company that also happens to make computers, kind of like when Radio Shack used to make Tandy computers. They eventually dumped their computer line, but kept selling consumer junk electronics and still do. Apple is shining bright with their iOS lines right now, but you can't ride an old horse forever and sooner or later the total lack of innovation (I have yet to see any since Jobs died, at least, just extending the 'thin' thing) combined with their former core computer tech dying on the vine in favor of constant iPhone updates will eventually lead to their fall.

It'll take several years, of course. No one believed Microsoft would ever lose the top spot, but look at them now. They're scrambling to change Windows wholesale (I'm not even sure going that far is a good idea, but at least they're daring to be different now) and its that fear of being completely obsolete that is driving it. Sadly, I think they're going a bit too far in the Apple iPad imitation field for their interface ("Options" seems to be a bad word these days; making dumbed down interfaces for the tech ignorant seems to be all the rage, leaving power users little choice but Linux to turn to if they want a traditional computer interface, but sadly Linux has no commercial software and let's face it, The Gimp will never be Photoshop.

I still plan on getting a Mac Mini because it's meant to be a server replacement for an aging PowerMac and drive my whole house audio/video system based on AppleTVs, but it's clear I'll need to build either a Hackintosh or get a separate PC or even a console if I want to play modern games because Intel 4000 isn't going to cut it. It'd be fast enough to play yesterday's games, except that Apple killed most of yesterday's games by making certain choices in OSX that lead them to no longer work in Lion and Mountain Lion. I suppose yesterday's games would work OK in Windows 7 installed on a Mac Mini, but that kind of defeats the point of buying a Mac once again. At least the virtualization software has gotten better to the point you can play some games without rebooting into pure Windows.
 
Everything looks much better on Blu Ray. iTunes isn't even comparable. Yet, with the release of H.265 probably downloadable content will get really close to Blu Ray quality soon.

agreed. Honestly, buying things via appletv and having it stored in whatever cloud they use...the quality is great! Do you by chance know how that works? There is not HDD on the newer appletv's and no way to see how much storage you have. Is it just unlimited?
 
Contrary to the belief that many hold that bluray is on the way out - Reuters just posted a report yesterday that stated that sales of high-definition Blu-ray discs climbed 13 percent from a year earlier. And that all physical media rose for third straight quarter. And that physical media still outsells downloaded content.

And, as others have said, if you have a decent setup there is no comparison between the bluray and the downloaded version.

Also, are you so sure your DRM'ed Apple downloaded purchases are future proof?

I think Apple missed the boat on this one - they could have styled the mac mini as an HTPC (now the mac mini doesn't even have discreet graphics) and they have forgotten about all the pro users - why doesn't Schiller just admit they won't ever release a Mac Pro update, too, while he is at it?

Your right, Blu-Ray sales are going up, not down. THere are plenty of reasons for people to enjoy BD over digital downloads, including better quality and portability. with digital there is no loaning a your copy to a friend or similar.

Apple I believe is being Monopolistic and anti-market. Using their power as technological provider to stomp consumer choice to support a format if they so choose.
 
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Why the hell would anyone wanna watch Blu-ray movies on a computer?! That's why I have a 46" 3D TV and a dedicated Blu-ray player. I could care less if Apple ever puts Blu-ray drives in their computers, which they never will cuz it'll take away movie $$ from iTunes.

This! All these so-called videophiles espousing the the virtues of blu-ray quality...which is completely lost on a 27" screen. Gimmee a break.

I rip movies to my library less often than I scan paperwork. Which, according to the logic of some in this thread, begs the question: Why won't Apple include an internal document scanner in their Macs?

Its not an all in one if we have to connect an external scanner to the machine. I know the silent majority agrees with me on this one.
 
Wow this thread has really shown people have an opinion on optical drives.Making a mistake on Apples part is not the end of the world.Just put a coupon for a free superdrive in the new Imac box and let the customer make the choice.
 
This! All these so-called videophiles espousing the the virtues of blu-ray quality...which is completely lost on a 27" screen. Gimmee a break.

I rip movies to my library less often than I scan paperwork. Which, according to the logic of some in this thread, begs the question: Why won't Apple include an internal document scanner in their Macs?

Its not an all in one if we have to connect an external scanner to the machine. I know the silent majority agrees with me on this one.

If the screen is 1080p it is not lost at all.

Now for that scanner, I think I scan, print a lot more the. I even watch discs I own these days. All in one desktop with printer scanner! (Not serious)
 
You prefer some films n SD!?!

And TV shows look far and away better on blu ray vs streaming.
I bought the first few seasons of Mad Men during a blu ray sale on Amazon.
I then noticed Netflix had all the seasons- so I compared the quality.
If you only watch the stream- you will be fooled into thinking it looks great.
Once you compare to uncompressed Blu Ray you will be shocked by the difference. Shocked.

As a side note- After watching 3 seasons on blu ray- I decided I could not wait and watched season 4 on the HD broadcast.
As a result, I did not enjoy season 4 nearly as much as the first 3.
Sure- the quality of the show may have dipped- but i'm convinced presentation had a play in the overall experience.

I think it has more to do with what fps it is filmed in.
 
Discs of any format are going the way of the floppy, period!

Eventually. But not for a very long time. Until bandwidth allows for a comparable bitrate (combined with a compression method worthy of true HD and soon 4K and beyond) for picture and uncompressed audio - Blu-Ray isn't going anywhere.
 
"Apple killed the optical drive
Apple killed the optical drive

In my cloud and my HTPC, we can't rip straight to uncompressed HD

Streaming came and broke your heart, put the blame on DVR

You are a Youtube star
You are a Youtube star

Apple killed the optical drive
Apple killed the optical drive"
 
Because people make a their living using this techno-dinosaur technology. Sounds like you need to go to the gym if you are having trouble carrying an optical drive.

That's great that you make your living with discs. You will have business for several more years. You have a need for an optical drive for your business. As I said, have at it. Your needs, however, do not define where the market is going over the coming years. Discs are dying.

Let me guess, your large latte weighs more than the weight Apple spared you now from their lineup or do you carry around an iMac, MBP at the same time?

When you limit ones choice trends change because there is a removal or lack of thus what is left is sometimes crap, simple. I can change a trend by starting some BS and giving only the options I wish to offer thus making your choice not so great so you will follow my lead. I did this for a paper in college and people who don't know will always follow a calm strong lead even into a wall if the wall looks soft enough :cool:

So taking the drive out "limits ones choice", but leaving it IN doesn't?? Forcing me to buy an optical drive that will never be used limits MY choice. You can still add an external drive - I CAN'T remove the optical drive and gain back the design compromises that were made to accomodate it.

"We'll be watching" in the future, but not now. And you will still be ridiculed. Streaming services still cannot match the content selection of physical media and the quality of Blu-Ray. You will be ridiculed for at least 3 more years.

Yes, in the future. Yes, I said optical discs will die a slow death. And yes, Blu-Ray will never have the market success that DVD had. DVD was the pinnacle of the optical format in terms of popularity. We have entered the "post-optical disc" era.

Selection is constantly improving. I never claimed streaming was the same quality as Blu-Ray. It will improve as bandwidth increases. We are at the start of a new paradigm, the transition will take a while. That doesn't change the fact that it's happening.

And by the way, Blu-ray is digital, not analog.

um, okayyyy. I thought everyone knew that. What's your point?
 
I for one need to burn dvds with data (e.g. physical backup of photos). Not often, but on occasion.
I don't think I am significantly away from any average consumer.
As for Blue Ray I can't say (I don't even watch dvds at all, so in that respect I am in the tail of the gaussian.)

And if "you can have it external" then it does misses the point of the sleekness factor.

There are much better ways to backup your data. To mention one crashplan.

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I think is great that they have a policy towards common users. It's normal that as a common user, when you enter the apple world, having what they give you is a great option cause they've thought about every detail in order to make your experience of use easier and definitely great. For me it’s always been a plus.
But on the iMac 27" they’ve obviously forgot the audio/video guys. For me that I do weddings the DVD optic drive option is not only necessary but fundamental. The momentum that a DVD represents, with the face of the bride on the DVD or whatever, and a book with the wedding photos, is irreplaceable. Now a days there are web options and facebook or twiter options added for the wedding experience. But a solid book with “brochured” copies of photos and DVD’s can’t be replaced in that experience.
Denying a good DVD or future bluray option it’s a bad professional move. On the one hand they provide a powerful computer obviously featured for those that need time saving solution on managing files and render, with the fusion drive; I don’t think this is just a facebook status checking machine, but they strip away the necessity of being able to provide diferent professional formats, or better said consumer formats trough what I consider a working computer. I think it’s definitely sad that they chose to take DVD away and not giving bluray solution that’s been asked for by consumer of private video and photo creation.
Many people will say or think that for that type of necessities we will be provided by a tower mac pro solution. But in this economy and turn of events of the digital world that is a solution for a few lucky people that can charge for their equipment. More and more these days the payment of photo/video work it’s a global low payment that has no consideration for the equipment that you use. Since that’s a common coin in the profession, I as a professional tend to low cost in equipment in order to make a job viable of profit…

So Buy the external SuperDrive..
 
I find it interesting I cannot find any straight-on side-view of the new iMac on Apple's site. I guess they don't want us to see the bulge in the back until after we purchase. Genious marketing :D
 
So taking the drive out "limits ones choice", but leaving it IN doesn't?? Forcing me to buy an optical drive that will never be used limits MY choice. You can still add an external drive - I CAN'T remove the optical drive and gain back the design compromises that were made to accomodate it.

Normally removing something is thought of as worse. Who wins then? Remove it and your side gets 100% what they want, leave it in and the other side gets 100%, an external would be something like 10% of what the otherwise wants because they want everything in one not externals so for the most part are hardly getting their way at all.

Yes, in the future. Yes, I said optical discs will die a slow death. And yes, Blu-Ray will never have the market success that DVD had. DVD was the pinnacle of the optical format in terms of popularity. We have entered the "post-optical disc" era.

I wonder what another ten years will do, the newer generations will take even less about optical media as if they do not already, another then years to that and they will hardly recall anyone using them depending on their family.

Selection is constantly improving. I never claimed streaming was the same quality as Blu-Ray. It will improve as bandwidth increases. We are at the start of a new paradigm, the transition will take a while. That doesn't change the fact that it's happening.

If they could get to the point where every movie (within reason) could be streamed in 1080P with something like Netflix I can see a lot more people just using that then are today. Many will say, what if there is no net, or what if they remove things, I think for millions of people they will just not care, entertainment does not define them, it is there if and when they want to use it if not they will just watch something else, even I am getting that way. It is the the center of the universe.

I doubt they will ever fix the pricing on digital content, at least not to what I am comfortable with. We need two dollar rentals on new films.

I find it interesting I cannot find any straight-on side-view of the new iMac on Apple's site. I guess they don't want us to see the bulge in the back until after we purchase. Genious marketing for ya :D

I noticed that right away as well, they want it to appear thinner then it truly is because it can only be so thin as it is a computer not just a monitor. Just show the true and that goes for any and all companies.
 
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