Fair point, but i like the option and 4k hdr really pops my phones screen so not having that option at a phone at this price point is a little rubbing
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Phil Schiller on iPhone XR Display: 'If You Can't See the Pixels, at Some Point the Numbers Don't Mean Anything'
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Fair point, but i like the option and 4k hdr really pops my phones screen so not having that option at a phone at this price point is a little rubbing
Well if you look at the subpixels, Red and Blue have pretty much the same number as the XR. This can't be a coincidence.
Red 324 SPPI
Green 458 SPPI
Blue 324 SPPI
so R & S are "iPhone Really" and "iPhone Special". Got it. I should've stuck with Marketing as my career field.
"It was a huge ask of the engineering team to get it to market last year..."
Ok, but everyone and their mother is able to create a near-bezel-free, notched display at resolutions equal or higher since last year. Were they spending too much to reinvent the wheel, and therefore passing their costs to us?
Ok, but everyone and their mother is able to create a near-bezel-free, notched display at resolutions equal or higher since last year. Were they spending too much to reinvent the wheel, and therefore passing their costs to us?
It doesn’t matter much for most uses people put an iPhone to. But if Apple were to ever let us use it for VR the way Samsung and Google lets their phones be used, then it matters.
That’s a very niche use. I love VR on a phone, but even I don’t use it often enough to prioritize ppi for that use case. I am hoping just to be able to view the Xr display to my heart’s content without getting a dang migraine as I did on my Max.
That’s a very niche use. I love VR on a phone, but even I don’t use it often enough to prioritize ppi for that use case. I am hoping just to be able to view the Xr display to my heart’s content without getting a dang migraine as I did on my Max.
I'm don't want to pull a "you're holding it wrong" here but it really sounds like you're holding the device way too close to your eyes if you're seeing individual pixels on a 326 PPI display.
PPI is the new megapixel. It's just there to boost up the numbers on the spec sheet, and all the tech "bloggers/youtubers" ate it up. The result, they all complain about it, but many don't even understand it despite them being the loudest. It's what we get when people can claim they are a techie just because they use a smartphone.
Not sure where you get that from.
Since he said he got it from cars, it would likely be Sport and Racing
Now they are but at the time, Essential was the only other phone with the bezeless notch display. Being first to market with a new technology always has a steep price.
Bring on the "iPhone WRX STI Type RA-R" next year. The racing Subaru edition.
Do you believe they are withholding units that they could've been shipping or that they were not ready but shipped XR anyway? Either scenario makes no sense to me.
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Everything is relative. My father balked at my iPhone X upgrade last year but jumped on the XR this year because he considers it a great deal. Go figure.
Everyone and their mother lol. Did you conveniently forget to mention the chin?
I wish they would stop this rhetoric about if you can't see individual pixels that means you should not have higher pixel density.
The issue is not about seeing individual pixels, but how those pixels compose to form an image.
Text is ALWAYS clearer the more pixels that can be used to render a character. You can get smaller text and still be legible, and this means that you can get more information and content on a smaller screen that is more clearly readable on higher density screens. Photos and videos are also more clear because of how individual pixels are used to compose larger components of the frame. If the Apple Watch screen has like 4K resolution, you would notice a difference even if you couldn't see individual pixels without a microscope.
Also, with EVERY generational leap in pixel density the color gamut increases and the quality of the colors and accuracy improves. More pixels means more light is combined from more sources of light so that the color gamut and accuracy improves. This is why 4K looks far more realistic then 1080p or 720p displays. Advances like HDR are not available on 1080p displays because those displays simply cannot reproduce the color depth and gamut or accuracy that standards like HDR demand. With higher pixel density, the color accuracy and gamut increases which is overall a good thing. personally when a display matches the quality of real life, that is when enough is enough, no display yet matches that yet.
I can't stand how Apple dismisses technological innovation because they either refuse to invest money in that area or haven't found an off the shelf part from a 3rd party they can find to provide that technology in an upcoming product and use naive marketing rhetoric to make consumers believe the feature or innovation is irrelevant. Apple has done this in the past with pixel resolution, screen size, the stylus, and a bunch of other things Apple wasn't ready to release yet because they were playing catch up and dismissing the innovation of their competition while their competition introduces ALL these innovations first, and then Apple eventually follows up with the feature years later.
Not saying that we need 8k phone screens just yet but it is tiresome and troubling when a trillion dollar company constantly tells us there is a limit to their innovation because they claim it is irrelevant to move beyond it; why do people keep investing in a company that always talks about giving up until their competition pushes them further?
Apple should be telling us there ARE no limits to innovation and they are working hard to bring us the future, not tell us its all for nothing and having us wait for it to show up before Apple commits to it.
Oh, and then I read these were comments from Phil Schiller who is useless on a good day.
The issue is not about seeing individual pixels, but how those pixels compose to form an image.
Text is ALWAYS clearer the more pixels that can be used to render a character. You can get smaller text and still be legible, and this means that you can get more information and content on a smaller screen that is more clearly readable on higher density screens. Photos and videos are also more clear because of how individual pixels are used to compose larger components of the frame. If the Apple Watch screen has like 4K resolution, you would notice a difference even if you couldn't see individual pixels without a microscope.
Also, with EVERY generational leap in pixel density the color gamut increases and the quality of the colors and accuracy improves. More pixels means more light is combined from more sources of light so that the color gamut and accuracy improves. This is why 4K looks far more realistic then 1080p or 720p displays. Advances like HDR are not available on 1080p displays because those displays simply cannot reproduce the color depth and gamut or accuracy that standards like HDR demand. With higher pixel density, the color accuracy and gamut increases which is overall a good thing. personally when a display matches the quality of real life, that is when enough is enough, no display yet matches that yet.
I can't stand how Apple dismisses technological innovation because they either refuse to invest money in that area or haven't found an off the shelf part from a 3rd party they can find to provide that technology in an upcoming product and use naive marketing rhetoric to make consumers believe the feature or innovation is irrelevant. Apple has done this in the past with pixel resolution, screen size, the stylus, and a bunch of other things Apple wasn't ready to release yet because they were playing catch up and dismissing the innovation of their competition while their competition introduces ALL these innovations first, and then Apple eventually follows up with the feature years later.
Not saying that we need 8k phone screens just yet but it is tiresome and troubling when a trillion dollar company constantly tells us there is a limit to their innovation because they claim it is irrelevant to move beyond it; why do people keep investing in a company that always talks about giving up until their competition pushes them further?
Apple should be telling us there ARE no limits to innovation and they are working hard to bring us the future, not tell us its all for nothing and having us wait for it to show up before Apple commits to it.
Oh, and then I read these were comments from Phil Schiller who is useless on a good day.
Viewing distance matters. 4K 65" TV is only 67.78 PPI and looks fantastic when viewed at the appropriate distance. In the same manner you would watch an iPad Pro further away than you would an iPhone XR.
I want to see the XR in person. I have had a Sony Z5 Compact which is 4.6" 720p (319.26 PPI) and it was noticeably blurry compared to the 5.5" 1080p (400.53 PPI) Oneplus One I had. Both with LCDs.
Wasn't this the whole point of the term "Retina Display?" They named it due to the fact that the human eye can't distinguish the pixels at a set distance?
Those are the phones they sell to geeks and tech heads like people on Macrumors. The sort of people that are interested in geekbench scores etc. For a phone to be $1,000 it has to have bragging rights.
No, unfortunately that's the drawback for using an OLED display. All pOLED displays have to push high resolutions to look crisp. Because OLED display's blue color doesn't last long, more green is used hence the pentile arrangement. Pentile actually makes fine details like text look less sharp. So they pack the pixel density higher to compensate. It's also worth noting that even though Samsung manufactures the panel for iPhone X series (at least until LG ramps up their manufacturing to take over), the pentile arrangement is vastly different than any pOLED panel used in any Samsung phone.
I SUSPECT (with no proof) that they staggered launches strategically, either by withholding or simply putting the xr at the back of the manufacturing queue. That’s fine, makes sense, but again, I don’t think he was being totally forthcoming in his response.
It's marketing speak. He means "when Apple is ready".
They could have shipped the XR a month earlier then the XS if they wanted to.
Make sure you give your premium phones the "gotta have the new phone" stage first.
It's not like there is a shortage of 720p screens
I found this to be a fascinating history of iPhone screens, resolutions, and the logic behind the specs:
https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/9fnhvf/a_short_history_of_iphone_screens_or_why_the_xr/
Here is a snippet:
"Apple decided they like the widths of the current iPhones, and just wanted to expand the screen to the top and bottom of the phone. So, the obvious idea with the iPhone X was to make things 2x, just like the 7, but bring the screen up and down...but there's a problem: OLED displays have funky pixel arrangements. They use twice as many green pixels as red or blue, because green OLED pixels have a significantly lower lifespan at full brightness compared to the other colors, so instead two pixels are used at half brightness. This makes things fuzzy compared to a LCD of the same density. Apple, once again, reasoned they were making a deluxe phone, and any experience inferior to previous phones must be eliminated. So they jumped the resolution up to 3x again, and Samsung was happy to make the true 3x resolution so Apple didn't have to resort to scaling like on the Plus phones."
You know, I've realized that I really don't have a problem with Apple itself, it's the "old guard" exec team thats living on Steve's legacy. When he was at the helm, he kept them all in check and made the team work. Without him, they all see to be arrogant and out of touch.
Honestly, I'm looking forward to when these guys finally get pushed out and we get a new team and new CEO. It'll breath new life into the company. I continue to say it, I think the company will finally get a new "feel" once a new set of execs finally get in place, just like MS and Google. I'm looking forward to that.
Honestly, I'm looking forward to when these guys finally get pushed out and we get a new team and new CEO. It'll breath new life into the company. I continue to say it, I think the company will finally get a new "feel" once a new set of execs finally get in place, just like MS and Google. I'm looking forward to that.