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Phil Schiller Says Apple Tested and Rejected Touch Screen Macs, Finding It 'Absurd' on a Desktop
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True.
But imagine using a 27" touchscreen iMac.
Even if it was like Microsoft where it can fold down, it's still kinda absurd using a 27" touchscreen.
I've never spent so much time at a Microsoft store. Apple is dead wrong here...
Yes, no one wants a touchable macOS. But everyone needs the iOS versions of Apps when unplugging the display from a keyboard dock. One device. No cloud or sync needed. Very easy.
People on an iMac only get the macOS versions of Apps. On an iPhone everyone also see the iPhone version even if it's an universal App.
Phil telling us real dump arguments lately. He should left Apple and buy a Baseball team.
People on an iMac only get the macOS versions of Apps. On an iPhone everyone also see the iPhone version even if it's an universal App.
Phil telling us real dump arguments lately. He should left Apple and buy a Baseball team.
He’s right. Until keyboards are made unnecessary by some other input method, a vertical touchscreen—regardless how it may articulate—is an awkward option. Desktop touchscreens won’t be practical unless they are permanently horizontal. Anyone who has bothered to use their iPad with a keyboard smart cover knows how unnatural the experience can feel.
What's with all the fingerprints and smudges comments. Seriously? Obviously if you don't want to use the touchscreen you don't have to use the touch screen. You'd use it the same as you always have. The "I don't have a use for it so it shouldn't be implemented" mentality is mind-boggling.
You're wrong, sorry.
The difference between typing and moving to use a mouse or trackpad, is that your arms / hands / fingers do not have to change from the horizontal to vertical axis - meaning it is an easy shift physically, because your arms can remain supported by the desk. As soon as you have to lift your arm to touch the screen, and not just touch, but interact using fine motor skills, it is simply more difficult to do and therefor less efficient for work.
I think people want to want touch screen laptop and desktop computers to work, because we see movies like Minority Report, where people are [sort of] interacting directly with the screen, but in actual use cases, moving back and forth from keyboard / mouse / trackpad to touch screen is inefficient at best. And I say this as someone who has tried to make it work using the iPad and BT keyboard.
what an idiot...
So bringing your fingers to manipulate data thats present on the primary screen is impractical.
But taking your eyes OFF the very same screen,focusing on a secondary, tiny screen and bringing your fingers there to manipulate another resembling instance of your date thats already present on another screen, with an ever changing interface is magical??
the difference is probably 2 inches of arm movement.
Apple has lost it.
So bringing your fingers to manipulate data thats present on the primary screen is impractical.
But taking your eyes OFF the very same screen,focusing on a secondary, tiny screen and bringing your fingers there to manipulate another resembling instance of your date thats already present on another screen, with an ever changing interface is magical??
the difference is probably 2 inches of arm movement.
Apple has lost it.
"As far as dongles, he claims that most people won’t need them."
W.T.F.
W.T.F.
The most important thing is cost-benefit analysis in this scenario, both economically as well as user-oriented. It isn't worth it even if there are some 'useful' scenarios. You're not getting a lot from it with the price you'd have to pay.
Proof of this statement? I assure you Apple has one of the most advanced teams and labs that experiments with myriads of design and technology implementations. Their ability to rapidly prototype is rarely matched in the product world. The process of design never has a consistent cadence when you take it seriously.
I don't want anybody touching my screen(s) with their greasy fingers, but I would LOVE to have a 13" or 27" screen that would work with the Apple Pencil.
Apple really needs to start being more careful about not talking down to their user base. "Lowest common denominator thinking?" Really, Phil? Apple's arrogance has never been as apparent as it is in 2016. And it's really starting to chafe on some of the company's longest-standing and most loyal customers.
Apple really needs to start being more careful about not talking down to their user base. "Lowest common denominator thinking?" Really, Phil? Apple's arrogance has never been as apparent as it is in 2016. And it's really starting to chafe on some of the company's longest-standing and most loyal customers.
It has uses. If you can think of an easier way to pinch to zoom or rotate, I’m all ears. When Phil Shill eventually tells us that touchscreen Macs are revolutionary we’ll believe it though.
Why? Half the stuff that comes out of his mouth is garbage. The dude is arrogant. He's like the Kanye West of tech.Believe or not, I trust Phil
They've done the extensive research. Have you? In fact, you'd be surprised how often you actually look down at the keyboard.
Yeh, right.....how do you use the touch bar when you using an external monitor ? I use my Macbook Pro 13 shut, with external keyboard, mouse and monitor. Sometimes, I open it up to add the screen.
As it is now, one would have to have the Macbook opened in order to use the touch bar, while looking sideways at the monitor. I guess there might be an external keayboard offered later with the touch bar, but a wireless version will go through batteries quickly, due to the power consumption of the touch bar.
Have you seen the touch bar? That's looking at your keyboard ... that's also reaching across the keyboard to manipulate a tiny touch screen.
Couldn't agree more.
The future is clearly a universal OS on all your devices with a context aware UI which changes depending on how it's used.
Ubuntu has this. There are Ubuntu phones that when connected to a screen display a desktop UI.
Microsoft tried to do it but alas Windows is in a bit of a problem. When Microsoft tried to deviate from the typical XP/Windows 7 desktop in Windows 8 their users hated it, OTOH Windows needs IMO a radical change of UI. I think Microsoft should release a new OS based on Unix with a better UI and simplified user experience. This way it could keep the core audience in a "classic" Windows, so to speak, and let users decide which one they prefer. It would be extremely expensive but it would eat macOS for breakfast.
If rumours are true, Andromeda OS from Google might be just the OS of the future.
Schiller's right with an L shaped Macbook or iMac desktop. Shiller's wrong with a 2:1 laptop or Surface Studio form factor (case in point the iPad Pro).
The real reason is because they dont want to support a feature that exists on windows. This is Apple logic. Convice the customer that apple is the best so that the customer will believe any thing different is crap. Just look at the history. One button mouse. Reversing keys on the keyboard. Reversing the scroll direction. Basicly anything that will throw off the apple user when trying out a competitor's product. This also why they come up with silly names like thunderbolt and airplay so customers wont realize that the same technology exist on other products.
Apple's senior vice president of worldwide marketing, Phil Schiller, recently continued the company's stance against turning its desktop and laptop devices into touch screen-enabled computers, which some customers believe could be advantageous additions to the macOS platform. With the new addition of the "Touch Bar" on the MacBook Pro line, seen by some as a potential step towards a full-on Mac touch screen, many Apple executives have come out saying this isn't the case.
Speaking with Backchannel, Schiller has now stated that a multi-touch display on a MacBook "wouldn't be enough," because it would begin a divide between MacBook and iMac. But, if the company implemented the same touch screen on a desktop it would "become absurd," due to the iMac's main source of user interaction -- the keyboard and mouse or trackpad -- residing too far away from where users would raise their hand to interact with the screen. Ultimately, Schiller said this line of thought is "lowest common denominator thinking."
All the same, Schiller confirmed that Apple has tried out touch screens on a Mac in its labs over the last few years and the company "absolutely come away with the belief that it isn't the right thing to do," he said. "Our instincts were correct." When asked whether the Touch Bar was the beginning of a larger influence by iOS on the macOS platform, Schiller said this was not the case.
In regards to the MacBook Pro's switch to Thunderbolt 3/USB-C ports, and the subsequent frustration by some users who fear needing to purchase and keep track of many dongles, Schiller said that "we're absolutely more sure than ever that we've done the right thing," because of the standard that USB-C is set to become. For context regarding the amount of cables available, MacRumors recently collected some USB-C adapters and dongles available from Apple and third-party accessory makers into a roundup.
Ultimately, Schiller said that the "fundamental difference" between the MacBook Pro's naysayers and fans is divided between those who have not yet interacted with the laptop, and those who have. Thankfully, many more will be able to get a chance to use the MacBook Pro and Touch Bar as the first round of shipments have begun arriving to pre-order customers today.
Article Link: Phil Schiller Says Apple Tested and Rejected Touch Screen Macs, Finding It 'Absurd' on a Desktop
Apple's senior vice president of worldwide marketing, Phil Schiller, recently continued the company's stance against turning its desktop and laptop devices into touch screen-enabled computers, which some customers believe could be advantageous additions to the macOS platform. With the new addition of the "Touch Bar" on the MacBook Pro line, seen by some as a potential step towards a full-on Mac touch screen, many Apple executives have come out saying this isn't the case.
Speaking with Backchannel, Schiller has now stated that a multi-touch display on a MacBook "wouldn't be enough," because it would begin a divide between MacBook and iMac. But, if the company implemented the same touch screen on a desktop it would "become absurd," due to the iMac's main source of user interaction -- the keyboard and mouse or trackpad -- residing too far away from where users would raise their hand to interact with the screen. Ultimately, Schiller said this line of thought is "lowest common denominator thinking."
All the same, Schiller confirmed that Apple has tried out touch screens on a Mac in its labs over the last few years and the company "absolutely come away with the belief that it isn't the right thing to do," he said. "Our instincts were correct." When asked whether the Touch Bar was the beginning of a larger influence by iOS on the macOS platform, Schiller said this was not the case.
In regards to the MacBook Pro's switch to Thunderbolt 3/USB-C ports, and the subsequent frustration by some users who fear needing to purchase and keep track of many dongles, Schiller said that "we're absolutely more sure than ever that we've done the right thing," because of the standard that USB-C is set to become. For context regarding the amount of cables available, MacRumors recently collected some USB-C adapters and dongles available from Apple and third-party accessory makers into a roundup.
Ultimately, Schiller said that the "fundamental difference" between the MacBook Pro's naysayers and fans is divided between those who have not yet interacted with the laptop, and those who have. Thankfully, many more will be able to get a chance to use the MacBook Pro and Touch Bar as the first round of shipments have begun arriving to pre-order customers today.
Article Link: Phil Schiller Says Apple Tested and Rejected Touch Screen Macs, Finding It 'Absurd' on a Desktop