I do this via Webex on a daily basis......
Yes I can via an iDevice (Webex) but far prefer a Monitor as I can split the screen and reference and take notes. And run other objects ... no iDevice gives me that flexibility
Yet?
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Phil Schiller Says iPad Pro Can Both Supplement and Replace the Mac
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I do this via Webex on a daily basis......
Yes I can via an iDevice (Webex) but far prefer a Monitor as I can split the screen and reference and take notes. And run other objects ... no iDevice gives me that flexibility
Yet?
This whole thread had been unncessary if Phil would have had enough "courage" to come with a TouchBook...
He's been saying the same thing over and over for the last couple years, eventually he'll be right.
The 2020 ad will have the same girl but now using an 9” iPhone. The same neighbor lady will see her and once again try to strike up a friendly conversation.
Lady: “Hey! Whatcha doing on your tablet?”
Girl: (without looking up) “What’s a tablet?”
Lady: “You know, I’ve had about enough of your condescension, you brat. You know exactly what a tablet and a computer are, you smart ass punk girl. 3 years I’ve been trying to talk to you, you’ve barely given me one glance. You have any real friends left at all with all your smart ass remarks and walking around town with your face glued to that whatever it is 24/7? I hope you get hit by a Tesla (mumbles under her breath as she goes back inside).”
Close up of the girl still using her iPhone.
Apple logo.
Lady: “Hey! Whatcha doing on your tablet?”
Girl: (without looking up) “What’s a tablet?”
Lady: “You know, I’ve had about enough of your condescension, you brat. You know exactly what a tablet and a computer are, you smart ass punk girl. 3 years I’ve been trying to talk to you, you’ve barely given me one glance. You have any real friends left at all with all your smart ass remarks and walking around town with your face glued to that whatever it is 24/7? I hope you get hit by a Tesla (mumbles under her breath as she goes back inside).”
Close up of the girl still using her iPhone.
Apple logo.
Some very short sighted people on this thread. Just because it doesn't work for you, doesn't mean it can't for others. The iPad is just another computer that Apple sells, the same as the iMac, iPhone, MacBook, and Mac Pro. All have tasks that they are best suited for and the user decides what is best for them. There will always be a need for higher powered machines in a typical desktop environment, but it doesn't take anything away from the iPad.
I'm referring to his illustrious history of prevarication, not just this incidence.
I don't believe anything he says.
So you don't believe his statement saying that an iPad can replace a computer for some, but not everyone?
Useless when there's no connectivity or even if you're on a flight with satellite connectivity because latency is too high.
As long as it runs ios, it will never be a laptop replacement.
I could easily get by with just my standard iPad as my primary computer plus occasional use of the household desktop Mac for heavier lifting. I am retired and do some work in the family real estate business, so my requirements are pretty simple.
I have 2 children in school, and they both use laptops, which seem to be the best solution for their needs. My oldest works in business consulting for a large firm. The consulting firm provides her with a laptop, and often, the client requires she use a second laptop with proprietary software.....so, she sometimes travels with 2 laptops. For her personal stuff, an iPad is more than sufficient as a primary device. It would be crazy for her to travel with 3 laptops (2 business and 1 personal).
Bottom-line: From my experience, Phil got it about right in this interview (I only read the MR snippets .....not the whole thing). A person's ability to make the iPad their primary computing device depends entirely on individual requirements and on what computing alternatives are available (i.e. desktop computer at the home or office).
I have 2 children in school, and they both use laptops, which seem to be the best solution for their needs. My oldest works in business consulting for a large firm. The consulting firm provides her with a laptop, and often, the client requires she use a second laptop with proprietary software.....so, she sometimes travels with 2 laptops. For her personal stuff, an iPad is more than sufficient as a primary device. It would be crazy for her to travel with 3 laptops (2 business and 1 personal).
Bottom-line: From my experience, Phil got it about right in this interview (I only read the MR snippets .....not the whole thing). A person's ability to make the iPad their primary computing device depends entirely on individual requirements and on what computing alternatives are available (i.e. desktop computer at the home or office).
The iPad Pro can supplement the Mac by running Duet and/or Astropad. But replace? Phil, please shut your piehole.
Apple's marketing chief Phil Schiller believes the iPad Pro can be both a PC replacement and a supplementary device to the Mac.
In a wide-ranging interview with T3 about the iPad Pro and other Apple products, including the iPhone X, iMac Pro, HomePod, and AirPods, Schiller said the iPad Pro's exact use case ultimately varies by customer.Schiller added that, for many customers, the iPad Pro becomes their primary computing device, especially while traveling.Schiller acknowledged that this isn't the case for everyone, as some customers may only use an iPad Pro for certain tasks where a tablet can provide a better experience, such as reading or watching movie and TV shows.Schiller referred to the iPad Pro as a computer on a few occasions, which contrasts with Apple's latest "What's a Computer?" ad for the tablet.
At the end of the video, a mother asks her young daughter "what are you doing on your computer?" and the daughter responds by asking "what's a computer?" to imply that the iPad Pro is not a computer.
While the ad might suggest Apple's increasing focus on the iPad over the Mac, Schiller ensured that the company "cares deeply" about its pro customers. "We love that so much is created on Mac," he said.
To address the needs of those professionals, Apple is launching a powerful iMac Pro this week. The company is also working on a modular Mac Pro that will be accompanied by Apple-branded pro displays.
Interview: Apple's Phil Schiller on How the iPhone X 'Seemed Impossible at the Start'
Article Link: Phil Schiller Says iPad Pro Can Both Supplement and Replace the Mac
Yes, let me throw away my bicycle because now I have a SKATEBOARD!!! So much smaller and more portable! I can ride it for miles and miles and ... oh wait, I can't. Well, I can go off-road, so to speak, with it, where the sidewalk ends or gets all busted up... oh, wait... no, it doesn't work there. Hmmm...
Yeah, my iPad Pro will replace my Mac when I can load apps onto it from 3rd parties; like Audacity, for example. Can I put Audacity, or LibreOffice, or Clementine, or Calibre, (etc. etc. etc. ET C.) on my iPad Pro? Last time I checked, the answer to that was a resounding 'NO'.
Can I use a terminal emulator to examine and manipulate files on my iPad Pro?
(All these questions, I should add, NATIVELY, ON DEVICE, not remotely controlling a MAC or other PC.)
The idea of replacing my Mac with my iPad is ridiculous.
It is very easy to know if the iPad can work for you or not. There are two types of computer users:
Media consumers. This means you watch movies, you don't make movies, you look at web sites you don't make web sites. You read but you are not a writer and so on.
99.99% recent of everyone is like the above.
The second type are people who create content for others. The content might be software, Short films, web sites and whatever. Very few pole do this and even for them they are consumers much of the time
iPads work well for consuming media. in other words they work well for 99% of everyone.
Apple used to build products almost exclusively for the smaller second group but years ago found out the larger group is, well, larger. The iPad pro is a continuation of selling to the larger group
Media consumers. This means you watch movies, you don't make movies, you look at web sites you don't make web sites. You read but you are not a writer and so on.
99.99% recent of everyone is like the above.
The second type are people who create content for others. The content might be software, Short films, web sites and whatever. Very few pole do this and even for them they are consumers much of the time
iPads work well for consuming media. in other words they work well for 99% of everyone.
Apple used to build products almost exclusively for the smaller second group but years ago found out the larger group is, well, larger. The iPad pro is a continuation of selling to the larger group
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Mine more like this:
iPhone = feets
iPad = bicycle
MacBook = motorcycle
iMac= car
Server = truck
And a TouchBook would become a tricycle
First, great guitar in your profile pic. Suhrs are quality axes
For text input, I don't often use the mouse and prefer keyboard commands. That said, I do sometimes uses iOS's weird little trackpad-like thing for using the virtual keyboard as trackpad. Be very interesting to see if future versions of iOS and the ASK have a small trackpad on them.
My Suhr is easily my favorite guitar!
The thing people miss is the price points that these machines are going for. An ipad is so much cheaper than a mac laptop that you must really have to have a particular use case to go for a macbook over an ipad.
That’s the distinction. A low end MacBook is just going to frustrate you if you plan to do serious computing stuff anyway so I dont think a cheap macbook is comparable in power to an iPad Pro in terms of how good they perform on the same tasks.
If I didnt program software for a living and need a computer to do that specific thing I’m not sure why I would use my MacBook Pro more than my ipad. Especially as how MacBooks keep getting more and more expensive.
So it becomes a false equivalence really.
The thing I do worry about is that apple seem to not care about young kids with little money getting into “real” computing, i.e. the ability to do ANYTHING on a machine. Decent computers that start at £1000 + are too much where a £500 ipad maybe ideal. A bit more effort into an almost “raspberry pi” type ipad ability would be really welcome at the price points.
For the life of me I cant understand why a sandboxed programming environment (doesn’t have to allow the full power of the machine) cant be done. Or why no one has created a decent web IDE (Coda is the best Ive seen but its still not what I’d like).
That’s the distinction. A low end MacBook is just going to frustrate you if you plan to do serious computing stuff anyway so I dont think a cheap macbook is comparable in power to an iPad Pro in terms of how good they perform on the same tasks.
If I didnt program software for a living and need a computer to do that specific thing I’m not sure why I would use my MacBook Pro more than my ipad. Especially as how MacBooks keep getting more and more expensive.
So it becomes a false equivalence really.
The thing I do worry about is that apple seem to not care about young kids with little money getting into “real” computing, i.e. the ability to do ANYTHING on a machine. Decent computers that start at £1000 + are too much where a £500 ipad maybe ideal. A bit more effort into an almost “raspberry pi” type ipad ability would be really welcome at the price points.
For the life of me I cant understand why a sandboxed programming environment (doesn’t have to allow the full power of the machine) cant be done. Or why no one has created a decent web IDE (Coda is the best Ive seen but its still not what I’d like).
I’m guessing you “business people“ don’t know about AWS instances. Anything that can run on a PC can run on my iPad through an AWS instance running Windows. Though not with all the same connectivity (TB, USB, etc)… But I sure do you have the ability to have an iPad replace my PC laptop. Replace my MacBook Pro? Well… We’ve already been sort of debating that… Fair points on both sides of the issue.
But as far as replacing my PC laptop with iPad? Done.
But as far as replacing my PC laptop with iPad? Done.
I understand your point, and I agree a very small percentage of working professionals create media content......most are simply working with documents and downloading information from corporate data bases for analysis.
Phil's point is that many people could work very effectively with a desktop computer at the office and an iPad on-the-go. Document "consumption" is a large part of the productive activity of many professionals, and the iPad is a great tool for this type of work. For example, reviewing, revising, marking-up pdfs, emails, notes, presentations, and other documents are a big part of the day for many professionals.
AWS just launched Cloud9, which has some cool features like pair programming, shared dev spaces, etc.
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Instances are so 2010. Now the fundamental compute primitive is a container, or if you are one of the kool kids, serverless functions.
Makes me wonder what all of the people in this thread doing “real computing” with their massively powerful MacBooks are actually doing.
I know it won't be a super popular opinion on an Apple fan site, but Surface Book is my ideal form factor until someone comes out with something better.
Just bought a Surface Book 2 and it's just amazing. Windows is pretty damn good but I still prefer macOS. So while I did switch to Windows I would love Apple to have me back in 4 or 5 years when it's time for an upgrade. They just need to nail the form factor.
Just bought a Surface Book 2 and it's just amazing. Windows is pretty damn good but I still prefer macOS. So while I did switch to Windows I would love Apple to have me back in 4 or 5 years when it's time for an upgrade. They just need to nail the form factor.
I bet every single one you $1000 that by 10 years most of you will be using an ipad more than a mac for productivity work assuming the mac won't be dead by then. Of course this is macrumors so people here live in their own bubble
The same can easily be said of the people on this forum who iPad Pros can and have replaced computers.
Pretty sure the thinness has nothing to do with the power of the iMac Pro. Sounds like you have a vendetta against Apple and you’re letting their decisions affect you WAY too much. It’s a computer company’s vision of what they believe the market wants.
Lol.. Fair point! If I had to be confined to just iOS and its apps on my iPad I think I’d be complaining too… lol.. People are living in the past. Wake up, gang !! Ya just don’t need traditional OS anymore!AWS just launched Cloud9, which has some cool features like pair programming, shared dev spaces, etc.
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Instances are so 2010. Now the fundamental compute primitive is a container, or if you are one of the kool kids, serverless functions.
Makes me wonder what all of the people in this thread doing “real computing” with their massively powerful MacBooks are actually doing.
The man himself even acknowledged the usefulness of the iPad and he passed long before iPad Pro was in development. I can see with the direction of iOS 11, the iPad Pros will continue to evolve and iOS on the iPads will continue to evolve away from iOS on the iPhone into something that may be called padOS-perhaps a true hybrid of macOS and iOS. With the rate Apple is going with the CPU/GPU performance in iOS devices, they’re already capable of laptop power now. Just look at the A10X and A11.
More to topic, I’m still really confused why we’re hundreds of posts into this thread and we’re still getting angry posts. Why? The tone is as if Apple declared the Mac dead and all we have is the iPad in its current form. I’m really puzzled
Well Golly Gee Whiz!!
How about waking me up when, if ever, iOS gets the software and ability to do my job, fix Safari so we can get real desktop functionality, with the ability to perform the other functions I need. For my needs the IPP is around 50%. When will we see the rest? Including off-line functionality.