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More than enough for ppl that just make phone calls and check e-mail? I'm pretty sure nobody is debating if 16 GB is enough for minimal use. That isn't even the topic of coversation.

It is. That's how many people use their phones (not just email or calls though), and they keep buying 16gb models.
 
I'm not making up scenarios. Read again. 16gb is more than enough for people who buy phones just for the sake of having one.

I said there is a reason why Apple "can" keep selling them. Imagine all iPhone buyers were tech-savvy, and rise up against Apple to stop buying their products. They would offer base 32gb iPhone in no time.

4 to 8 gig is enough for those people.
 
Talk about reality distortion field. 16GB is just too little these days. that is fact. and Cell networks are so annoying at times that relying on the cloud too much when your on the go is a bit of a pain.

Apple is known to have high margins on their products, so Phil's opinion is tied to keeping that. The higher profits are often directly tied to apple's use of less RAM. older graphics chips in iMacs, laptops and such or sticking with intel graphics.

Apple has ceased to offer any notion of hardware performance. as they don't upgrade hardware nearly as often as their competitors and when they do, they stick with parts which aren't always top of the line.
 
Yes, no ****. Nobody is questioning that. WTF? o_O

Well, you're the one who said that it's not the topic of conversation.

I only commented on how most 16gb owners have no issues, finding the "balance." Then someone replied to me about how he has to erase apps and pictures. Then my reply was that even without having to manage storage space, these people use their phones just fine.
 
Well, you're the one who said that it's not the topic of conversation.

I only commented on how most 16gb owners have no issues, finding the "balance." Then someone replied to me about how he has to erase apps and pictures. Then my reply was that even without having to manage storage space, these people use their phones just fine.
You have no idea what you're talking about. You keep generalizing and making silly comments on "finding the balance." There wouldn't be a need to find the "balance" (whatever the hell that means) if there was more storage space. Apps are bigger now, pics are bigger now, videos are bigger now, and 5 GB of Cloud storage is laughable. Since you don't see the issue with 16 GB, I'm done discussing this with you.
 
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You have no idea what you're talking about. You keep generalizing and making silly comments on "finding the balance." There wouldn't be a need to find the "balance" (whatever the hell that means) if there was more storage space. Apps are bigger now, pics are bigger now, videos are bigger now, and 5 GB of Cloud storage is laughable. Since you don't see the issue with 16 GB, I'm done discussing this with you.

Even some senior citizen friends, who no one would consider power users, are filling up their 16 GB devices. With all of the photos and videos people are taking these days, 16 GB just won't do.

But on the topic of being bold and being aggressive, I like that too. But being bold and aggressive shouldn't come at the risk of usability, like it did with the one USB-C port on the new Macbook. I can see how they're pushing the envelope, but how is handicapping the number of ports in any way an improvement?
 
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You have no idea what you're talking about. You keep generalizing and making silly comments on "finding the balance." There wouldn't be a need to find the "balance" (whatever the hell that means) if there was more storage space. Apps are bigger now, pics are bigger now, videos are bigger now, and 5 GB of Cloud storage is laughable. Since you don't see the issue with 16 GB, I'm done discussing this with you.

I never said people have to find the balance so they won't run out of storage. Furthermore, I never said I don't have issues with 16gb.
 
It's called basic marketing, the 16 gig phone is their OPP (Opening Price Point). Every retailer works the same way, the least expensive item is also the least profitable. It's the sales person's or marketing department's job to sell people up to more expensive models that are more profitable. They will resist making the OPP more attractive for as long as they can. Making the OPP phone more attractive will cost them money and eat into their profits by reducing the number of people who can be 'sold up' to the next, more profitable, phone.

I have never worked for Apple, I did work in retail sales for a few years and that's how retail sales work.
 
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I think it's probably more to give the carriers a nearly useless device to advertise at a low price to get people in the door and then force upgrades. I don't even store much locally, but I'm not sure how people do it with a 16 GB model.

Also, storing stuff in the cloud sounds great until the reality of mobile data plans hits... and the ineptness of Apple's cloud. Maybe Phil's been dipping into the kool-aid a bit too much.

Yes, basic marketing. No retailer wants a customer to buy their least expensive model. When I was working in retail, a sales person would be fired for selling to many OPP's. If you can't afford the more expensive item, deal with the inconveniences of the least expensive.
 
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While I understand the reason behind this decision on Apple part still a bad joke that after so many years they still selling the base model with 16gb. Come on at some point they must increase it. They make a boatload money already and passing this perk to the consumer is the least they can do at this point. Enough is enough.

When Apple determines that they are losing more money (potential customers going to another brand) than they are making (customers upgrading to 64 gig phone) they will change it. Not before.
 
i really dislike phil schiller. he seems to be the primary source of this "you dont know what is best for you, we do"... hey look a bunch of crusty old white men telling us they know whats best for us. sound like anything else to you?
 
i really dislike phil schiller. he seems to be the primary source of this "you dont know what is best for you, we do"... hey look a bunch of crusty old white men telling us they know whats best for us. sound like anything else to you?
Works for selecting Grammy nominations/winners, hit song writing of popular music & dictating radio play.
Old white men just know... listen to Tim & Phil...
 
These are the two things that infuriate me about Apple.

They'd rather brag about shaving a millimeter of thickness off an already too-thin-to-safely-handle phone than use that space on battery capacity. When my phone is almost dead at 4:00 in the afternoon I couldn't care less how thin the thing is. Your engineers can make a thin phone, good for them. How about making one that will last a day instead.

And the 16GB thing has pissed me off for years now. It's not a matter of whether most people can get by on 16GB, I'm sure a large number of people can, it's the stubborn unwillingness to spend a couple extra dollars on a 32GB chip so customers can have that better experience just for the sake of having it. A 32GB flash chip must cost even less now than 16GB chips would have cost when Apple first started using them. They see the price of the better component fall to a price they were comfortable paying for the previous component, but instead of phasing in that new component for no extra cost they keep using the other one because they know every year that price will drop another dollar or two.

Charging another $100 for a storage upgrade that in reality might cost them an extra $10 is a whole other matter I won't even get into.

Stop nickel and diming and get with the times already. 16GB has been obsolete for a few years now with the size of apps growing, something that the cloud has no bearing on.

You vastly under estimate the cost to Apple in putting a 32 gig chip in their OPP model. When they look at the cost they include how many upgrades to the, more profitable, 64 gig phone they would lose. Basic marketing.
 
You vastly under estimate the cost to Apple in putting a 32 gig chip in their OPP model. When they look at the cost they include how many upgrades to the, more profitable, 64 gig phone they would lose. Basic marketing.
Wikileaks is about to blow the top off Apple & the storage space issue will be exposed on why Apple does this for business purposes.

Info will be released soon to expose Apple's Nazi(a harshly domineering, dictatorial, or intolerant person) like business culture & practices.
 
Apple is worth $700 billion and Schiller's excuse for not bumping up the storage from 16 to 32 gigs is that it will cost too much!?

You have got to be kidding.

The cost is calculated in how many $100 dollar upgrades they will lose, not the cost of the chip. Basic marketing.
 
Apps have grown significantly in size, iPhone storage hasn't.

No way Schiller can sugar-coat it, 16GB now means a lot less than it did 3 years ago. 32GB should be the baseline, full stop.
 
The 16GB is shameful, but what is even more shameful is selling 8GB phones for a bucket load of money. Take two photos and a video and then try to update the software. Good luck.
 
hey if you are not happy with 16gb whereas competing galaxy s6 has 32gb, you are using your 16gb the wrong way! Optimize your photos. Install less apps. Who told you to take so many pictures? Buy some 20gb icloud storage for $1 a month because Apple could really use that $12 a year to prevent going bankrupt.
 
Wikileaks is about to blow the top off Apple & the storage space issue will be exposed on why Apple does this for business purposes.

Info will be released soon to expose Apple's Nazi(a harshly domineering, dictatorial, or intolerant person) like business culture & practices.

Of course Apple is doing it for business purposes, they are a business. Basic marketing.

And you should look up the definition of 'Nazi'.
 
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