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Phil Schiller Talks 16 GB iPhones and Thinness vs Battery Life Tradeoffs

I have 32gb 5S, and I'm already running out of space (5.7gb remaining)... I can't imagine living with 16gb.

However, plenty of people seem to be fine with 16gb... Most iPhones around me are 16gb, and they just get by without any major issues. It all comes down to number of apps, number of music files and pictures stored on the phone. And they all seem to find right balance between all of them.

As for thinness of phones.... I really don't care as long as they are not an inch thick. I am amazed by how thin 6's are when I hold them, but they don't feel as grippy as previous versions. I guess one day we will see phones become literally paper-thin.
 
32gb should be the standard. Anybody listening to this BS that 16gb is good idea is delusional fanboy. Plus they offer meager 5gb free icloud storage also. Stop being cheap Apple. You already make tons of money. Increase free space of icloud and make base model 32gb. Dont provide incentive to users to shift back to android devices.
 
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Rafterman said:
Schiller believes we no longer need vast amounts of local storage as everything moves to the cloud?


Schiller believes wrong. Very wrong. Unless Apple is going to provide free, unlimited data for every iPhone and iPad user, few are relying on the cloud for mobile storage devices.
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Hey, repeat a lie often enough and it becomes true, right. I think that is not only Apple's goal but the entire Computer and Media industry. They finally have a chance to have full control of our data and by George they don't intend to F up the opportunity. Old schooler (just assuming here, sorry if you aren't) like us understand the value of owning and having fully control of our data at no cost other than the initial purchase price. But that is a foreign concept to anyone born this century. The industries are just sowing the seeds here for consumer dependence on the cloud, not just alternate backup and convenience.
 
e93to said:
I have 32gb 5S, and I'm already running out of space (5.7gb remaining)... I can't imagine living with 16gb.

However, plenty of people seem to be fine with 16gb... Most iPhones around me are 16gb, and they just get by without any major issues. It all comes down to number of apps, number of music files and pictures stored on the phone. And they all seem to find right balance between all of them.

As for thinness of phones.... I really don't care as long as they are not an inch thick. I am amazed by how thin 6's are when I hold them, but they don't feel as grippy as previous versions. I guess one day we will see phones become literally paper-thin.
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i had to uninstall so many games and photos just to keep everything in limit of 16gb space. 16gb is not enough.
 
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price-conscious customers are able to live in an environment where they don't need gobs of local storage because these services are lightening the load
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So they can pay a monthly subscription for more storage space since you only give them 5GB? Bad argument.
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Exactly. Save up front, but pay a LOT more each month forever.
 
bkends35 said:
Try about $0.50-$3 per phone at the MOST. Going from a 16 to 32 USB 3.0 flash drive on amazon is $5. Now buy those in hundreds of millions wholesale and it's DIRT cheap.
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Apple's average selling price of iphones was around $687 in last quarter. They know for sure if they keep 16gb, they will force consumers to buy the 64gb instead. Making 32gb as base will lower the average selling price of iphones since many people will instead go back to purchasing 32gb version. This is all bs marketing tactics and the very reason why many are anti Apple.
 
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... and THIS is why people often choose Android and Windows phones. 16GB? Pah! Full of it, isn't he.
 
simonmet said:
Sorry Phil, battery life isn't good enough. Not by a long shot. They keep suggesting all these knew features like preemptive and learning but the iPhone can't even utilise all its existing features with acceptable battery life. They know this and don't care. I'm at the end of my tether with Apple and its "plug in anytime you can or be damned" philosophy.

Just now I went to Apple to complain that my 1.5 year old 5s's average 5.5 hours of usage isn't good enough. In the past month the best I got was just over 6 hours and the worst was barely 4 and three quarter hours. That's from full charge to completely flat. I'm not a heavy social media user and I'd already turned off most of the background tasks and stuff like fitness tracking.

Apple's response? Turn off even more. Turn off push email, turn off notifications (of which I get very few), turn off this and turn off that. They wanted me to turn off absolutely everything that made it a "smart" phone. This isn't good enough. Apple doesn't make all these qualifications obvious when they advertise their battery generous battery life. I'm even under AppleCare and they refused to replace the battery.

How much battery life will I get if I upgrade to iOS 9 with all its new features? I don't think I'm willing to find out.

5.5 hours typical usage is crap under any circumstance. I'm going to take it further. Not happy with my service from the "Genius" that's for sure!
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You might have a faulty battery. It happened to my iPhone 5. Take it to an Apple Store, and they'll run a diagnostic test on it whilst you're there to determine if the battery is faulty. If you're lucky, they'll replace the battery for free. Even if they charge you, it'll probably only be $60.
 
My iPad is 16gb because I consume data on it. So its fine in that case, but for my Phone I have 64gb as I have a ton of photos, videos, games.
 
gugy said:
Apple is being greedy. 32gb should be standard on all base models. Seriously they make large profits and jumping the storage is going to be a minimal impact. The thing is they want to make sure people always go to that $100 more to get the next model that has an acceptable storage so they can even make more profit.

Try again Phil.
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Maximizing profit is what capitalizm is about.

Try again, gugy!
 
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How is it that the American unit of measurement for EVERYTHING, including binary files, seems to be "a ton", and yet... you're still stuck in the imperial age? :D

I mean, "a load" I could understand, but "a ton" is a VERY SPECIFIC measure of weight... and files don't have a gravitational pull.
 
e93to said:
I have 32gb 5S, and I'm already running out of space (5.7gb remaining)... I can't imagine living with 16gb.

However, plenty of people seem to be fine with 16gb... Most iPhones around me are 16gb, and they just get by without any major issues. It all comes down to number of apps, number of music files and pictures stored on the phone. And they all seem to find right balance between all of them.

As for thinness of phones.... I really don't care as long as they are not an inch thick. I am amazed by how thin 6's are when I hold them, but they don't feel as grippy as previous versions. I guess one day we will see phones become literally paper-thin.
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Uh no. The "balance" you speak of is making the decision to just deal with the fact that not very many apps can be downloaded... or choosing not to take a ton of pictures on vacation or taking a long video. Things like backing everything up to the computer so that space can be freed up for pics and vids on vacation and because all storage is already eaten up on the "massive" 5 GB Apple offers for free is common ritual. Sacrifices are made by deleting apps so that other apps can be installed or an app deleted so more pics can be taken.

It's not a balance. It's a mess. Everything takes up way more space now... apps, pics, videos, etc.. And with the new iPhone this year, according to rumors, they'll eat up even more space. Apple's cloud offerings are pathetic and more expensive than the competition. Data plans cripple the cloud's usefulness ... as well as data speeds. Phil is a deluded **** if he genuinely believes what he's saying.
 
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Then it seems the problem is a person getting a 16gb phone when he knows very well he is going to fill it with photos and media content. The existence of a 16gb iPhone by no means prevents me from getting a model with more storage space, so what exactly is the problem here again?
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When does a typical person know or appears to be knowledgeable regarding how much storage they will need prior to purchasing an iPhone?

I have hardly no apps, some pictures & my email storage is taking up over 8gb.
I have 4 accounts with 2 week history.

A few mags in my Zinio app at 5gb.

How could I possibly know that my email & one other app was going to eat up that much storage?
How does your TYPICAL non-technical person determine or even be told how to find out about storage usage regarding apps and the iPhone?

You say you're a teacher but you passed up a great opportunity to provide some insight instead of putting the blame on the consumer. I hope you don't blame students for being dumb if they don't pass your class.
 
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When does a typical person know or appears to be knowledgeable regarding how much RAM they will need prior to purchasing an iPhone?

I have hardly no apps, some pictures & my email storage is taking up over 8gb.
I have 4 accounts with 2 week history.
How could I possibly know that my email was going to eat up that much RAM?
How does your TYPICAL non-technical person determine or even be told how to find out about RAM usage regarding apps and the iPhone?

You say you're a teacher but you passed up a great opportunity to provide some insight instead of putting the blame on the consumer. I hope you don't blame students for being dumb if they don't pass your class.
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You mean flash storage. RAM has nothing to do with what you're referring to.
 
I agree with his statements about Apple needing to be a bold, forward thinking company that's aggressive at taking risks. They certainly have the capital for it.

I personally love the new Macbook and an a very strong supporter of a world where things aren't always getting plugged into a laptop or tablet. I know the rest of the world will take it's time catching up though. I'm on a state university campus most of the day and they have money to burn on silly things. The rest of the world doesn't however.

Also, 16GBs on the iPhone is silly, and his reasons for it are an insult.

Otherwise, yeah, he says some cool things.
 
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Uh no. The "balance" you speak of is making the decision to just deal with the fact that not very many apps can be downloaded... or choosing not to take a ton of pictures on vacation or taking a long video. Things like backing everything up to the computer so that space can be freed up for pics and vids on vacation and because all storage is already eaten up on the "massive" 5 GB Apple offers for free is common ritual. Sacrifices are made by deleting apps so that other apps can be installed or an app deleted so more pics can be taken.

It's not a balance. It's a mess. Everything takes up way more space now... apps, pics, videos, etc.. And with the new iPhone this year, according to rumors, they'll eat up even more space. Apple's cloud offerings are pathetic and more expensive than the competition. Data plans cripple the cloud's usefulness ... as well as data speeds. Phil is a deluded **** if he genuinely believes what he's saying.
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I guess I used the wrong words. Instead of "right balance," I meant things somehow fall into places. These people only install minimal number of apps (usually social media apps), so they have plenty of space for pictures. Or some people don't even take pictures at all. So they have plenty of space for music. I do ask them whether they are really ok with 16gb, and I'm usually countered with "why would I need more?" Yeah... There's a reason why Apple can keep selling these 16gb iPhones and iPads.
 
"...the most price-conscious customers are able to live in an environment where they don't need gobs of local storage because these services are lightening the load."
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This is a garbage answer. What about the storage-sucking apps that nearly every uses downloads like Facebook and Instagram? Can I load those from iCloud? Didn't think so. Guess I'll keep deleting and re-downloading them every couple months to reset all the space wasted by the ambiguously-named "Documents and Data."
 
bawbac said:
When does a typical person know or appears to be knowledgeable regarding how much storage they will need prior to purchasing an iPhone?

I have hardly no apps, some pictures & my email storage is taking up over 8gb.
I have 4 accounts with 2 week history.

A few mags in my Zinio app at 5gb.

How could I possibly know that my email & one other app was going to eat up that much storage?
How does your TYPICAL non-technical person determine or even be told how to find out about storage usage regarding apps and the iPhone?

You say you're a teacher but you passed up a great opportunity to provide some insight instead of putting the blame on the consumer. I hope you don't blame students for being dumb if they don't pass your class.
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You may want to examine your phone and see if there are less space-hungry options. For example, if your mail is taking up a lot of space, consider an alternative like Mailbox which doesn't cache attachments. You may have to be prepared to give up your zinio subscription. Plug in your phone to iTunes and check out your "others" section. If it seems unusually large (a known cache problem), back up your phone and do a clean restore to free up some more space. iMessage is also a known space hog.

If your photo storage exceeds 5 gb, consider backing them up to Photos (maybe spring for the 20gb storage tier at $1 a month) and download the low-res thumbnails to your phone.

I don't scold my pupils for being dumb if they don't do well for their tests and exams. But I do tell them that the responsibility for studying hard lies with them. We learn from our mistakes and move on. I read, research, ask my friends on their usage habits and form an informed decision for myself. I have made many poor purchase decisions in my life. I just learn from them, hope I am wiser as a result, and move on.

My first smartphone was a 32gb iPhone 4s. It was just enough. But sometimes, I found myself pressed for space, like when I needed to record a video (45 minutes of footage takes up 9 gb of space on my phone already). That made me decide to settle for a 64gb iPhone 5s when it was time to recontract, and I am glad I did.

In the very least, I don't go around blaming others when I get a device with either too much or too little storage.
 
Yeah the 16gb is BS. You cannot do **** with that. I have a 64gb I am always running out! I want 256!!!!!!!! **** it I want 1TB!!!!!!!
 
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