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Phil Schiller Tweets Link to Another Security Report Criticizing Android

BaldiMac said:
You are talking about unrelated statistics out of context.

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No, the table does not say that at all. The table says that around 70% of web malware was encountered by a device with an Android user agent. And around 25% of web malware was enountered by a device with an iOS user agent. And around 3% of web malware was enountered by Windows Phone.
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I am only casually browsing and replying while doing something else so you are right in one thing here which I overlooked in my haste: iOS users' encounters are much higher than what I wrote because I didn't sum iPhones+iPads+iPods, thanks for pointing that out!


When you compare that to the mobile OS web usage share, you get the conclusion that you are more likely to encounter web malware on an Android or Windows Phone device than an iOS device.

http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8&qpcustomd=1



Nope. Your conclusion is simply false based on this data. iOS users surf the web MORE and encounter LESS web malware than Android users.
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So where does in that table of yours say that those are the data for the whole world and not just for the US? From both the iOS and Mac O.S. shares data I think I am safe to say that they refer to the US ONLY so it's you who "are talking about unrelated statistics out of context".
 
F apple FE said:
I am only casually browsing and replying while doing something else so you are right in one thing here which I overlooked in my haste: iOS users' encounters are much higher than what I wrote because I didn't sum iPhones+iPads+iPods, thanks for pointing that out!
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And you misinterpreted the table completely.

So where does in that table of yours say that those are the data for the whole world and not just for the US? From both the iOS and Mac O.S. shares data I think I am safe to say that they refer to the US ONLY so it's you who "are talking about unrelated statistics out of context".
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:confused: The Net Market Share data that I posted is worldwide.
 
I've never encountered malware on my android devices. If this article is talking about installing malicious apk's from outside the play store... Well... Duh.


Social engineering isn't malware, I don't understand this article.

Do the force redirects to the App Store I get from certain websites on my iPad count as malware?
 
Why are all Android devices lumped together under 'Android,' yet all iOS devices are separate? Would it match that Android number? Of course not, but that graph is misleading.
 
BaldiMac said:
And you misinterpreted the table completely.



:confused: The Net Market Share data that I posted is worldwide.
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Oh, I see now... the old "people are buying Androids only to put them in drawers"...

I ALWAYS and ONLY browse in desktop mode on my Android smartphone and tablet (something you CANNOT do in the stock iOS browser, Safari), guess how I am counted in this type of stats...

Facts are that the USA and Japan are the only major markets where iOS has a big presence, elsewhere iOS is a very small player. And before you point out to "rich" markets vs "poor" markets, in countries like *Germany* Windows Phones are about to surpass iPhones and they are not battling at 30-40% of the market each either, they are both at around 10%, the rest is all Android...

Anyway, the Cisco 2014 can't be freely downloaded but the 2013 one is and I did and read that:

"Android malware grew substantially
faster than any other form of webdelivered
malware, an important trend
given that Android is reported to hold
the majority of mobile device market
share worldwide. It is important to
note that mobile malware encounters
comprised only 0.5 percent of all web
malware encounters in 2012, with
Android taking over 95 percent of all
these web malware encounters."


So it seems Android encounters have actually gone DOWN quite a bit since a couple of years ago...

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BaldiMac said:
Because the data was collected by the browser's user agent.
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And that's also why net usage stats by o.s. are *totally unreliable*.

The stock iOS browser doesn't let you switch to desktop view (i.e. to a desktop useragent), the stock Android browsers (both Chrome and the AOSP browser) do.

And the stock browsers are what most people use, on any platform.
 
F apple FE said:
Oh, I see now... the old "people are buying Androids only to put them in drawers"...
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Nobody made that argument here.

I ALWAYS and ONLY browse in desktop mode on my Android smartphone and tablet (something you CANNOT do in the stock iOS browser, Safari), guess how I am counted in this type of stats...
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Good for you!

Facts are that the USA and Japan are the only major markets where iOS has a big presence, elsewhere iOS is a very small player. And before you point out to "rich" markets vs "poor" markets, in countries like *Germany* Windows Phones are about to surpass iPhones and they are not battling at 30-40% of the market each either, they are both at around 10%, the rest is all Android...
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No argument here.

Anyway, the Cisco 2014 can't be freely downloaded but the 2013 one is and I did and read that:

"Android malware grew substantially
faster than any other form of webdelivered
malware, an important trend
given that Android is reported to hold
the majority of mobile device market
share worldwide. It is important to
note that mobile malware encounters
comprised only 0.5 percent of all web
malware encounters in 2012, with
Android taking over 95 percent of all
these web malware encounters."


So it seems Android encounters have actually gone DOWN quite a bit since a couple of years ago...
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Yep. What does that have to do with what we were discussing?
 
BaldiMac said:
Nobody made that argument here.
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It's implied in the huge disparity between actual market share and the much vaunted (and totally unreliable) "Net Market Share"...


I ALWAYS and ONLY browse in desktop mode on my Android smartphone and tablet (something you CANNOT do in the stock iOS browser, Safari), guess how I am counted in this type of stats...
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Good for you!

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No argument here.
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Yes it's actually very good for me but that's not the point, the point is that:

"The stock iOS browser doesn't let you switch to desktop view (i.e. to a desktop useragent), the stock Android browsers (both Chrome and the AOSP browser) do.

And the stock browsers are what most people use, on any platform."

So, again, "Net Market Share" stats are totally unreliable.

Hard market share data are what count and Android devices are "encountering" web malware more simply because there are WAY MORE of them in the world than iOS devices. WAY MORE.

Yep. What does that have to do with what we were discussing?
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I "encountered" :)p) it while looking for the actual 2014 report and thought to be a very interesting and in-topic bit to share, isn't it..?
 
gotluck said:
I've never encountered malware on my android devices. If this article is talking about installing malicious apk's from outside the play store... Well... Duh.


Social engineering isn't malware, I don't understand this article.

Do the force redirects to the App Store I get from certain websites on my iPad count as malware?
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The very point of Android "freedom" is that you can install apps and patches outside of the play store (and the ease of installing pirated apps and games). If anyone opt to enjoy this freedom, or if their friends tell them there's an awesome app outside of the store, then there is a high risk of getting malware. Why don't just use the iPhone if you only install apps from the play store.
 
SusanK said:
Remember the good old days when Apple didn't need to knock the competition?
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They've been doing this since at least 2008 with the 'I'm A PC' ads, which was right at the height of the Steve Jobs heyday. Unless you're considering pre-2008 to be the 'good old days' for Apple...

It's more marketing than anything else.
 
kerrikins said:
They've been doing this since at least 2008 with the 'I'm A PC' ads, which was right at the height of the Steve Jobs heyday. Unless you're considering pre-2008 to be the 'good old days' for Apple...

It's more marketing than anything else.
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"Redmond, start your copiers!"
 
You guys shouldn't be so hard on yourselves. I'm sure you're all intelligent enough to use Android without getting malware; same goes for Windows. Malware usually seems to come down to user naivety/stupidity.
 
burn-e said:
You guys shouldn't be so hard on yourselves. I'm sure you're all intelligent enough to use Android without getting malware; same goes for Windows. Malware usually seems to come down to user naivety/stupidity.
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Exactly.
Give idiots more power and they will ***** things up.


Android CANNOT sideload (install apps from outside the Play Store) out of the box, you have to search for and enable a setting. When you do so you also get a warning that that would be dangerous if you don't know what you are doing.

I am always very suspicious of people who advocate for less freedom and less power...
 
kerrikins said:
They've been doing this since at least 2008 with the 'I'm A PC' ads, which was right at the height of the Steve Jobs heyday. Unless you're considering pre-2008 to be the 'good old days' for Apple...

It's more marketing than anything else.
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The Mac/PC ads were cute. Schiller comes across as defensive to me.
 
haruhiko said:
The very point of Android "freedom" is that you can install apps and patches outside of the play store (and the ease of installing pirated apps and games). If anyone opt to enjoy this freedom, or if their friends tell them there's an awesome app outside of the store, then there is a high risk of getting malware. Why don't just use the iPhone if you only install apps from the play store.
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My point is that we don't need a freaking report to know that side loading can be malicious.

It's only a story if the malware is from trusted avenues. Stick to trusted external sources like f-droid

Of course I've side loaded. But regardless google play lets root apps into the store, something apple would obviously not allow officially. The play store is less restrictive with respect to the scope of what apps are allowed to do.

Don't put android freedom in quotes either, if you buy an android device with an unlockable boot loader, you have complete freedom. It is what it is. You can even remove all aspects and traces of google from the device if you please.
 
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When will Apple release Marine Boy in the iTunes store?
Maybe they release some Oxygum which be way better than any of the rumored wearables.
 
Yawn, when is he going to stop? It's very boring and incredibly unprofessional.

As for Android, well my Nexus 5 and Nexus 7 are perfectly fine, never had any issues, then again I haven't rooted either and I don't go and install stolen apps or games from unknown sources.....

But to me, as Schiller is a face of Apple, it comes across as Apple trying to belittle the competition again with fud, rather than innovation. I just find it very snarky and underhanded when someone does this, they should concentrate on making iOS7 worth having first.
 
macduke said:
Security through obscurity! The only reason iOS isn't targeted is because it's such a small market share.

OH WAIT! That argument doesn't work any more for Apple devices.
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Why not? Is not iOS share worldwide around 12%? That is almost as obscure as OS/X.
 
numlock said:
has he posted the link to the results of that new consumer survey?

has he posted the links to the reports about people having issues with 2011 mbp?

has he posted the links to threads about people complaining about ios7 battery life or the autodownload theft of space etc etc?

lets just bypass the game where we act like we dont know what he is doing here. just concentrate on making apple products the best on the market

btw i agree with him on the news about the dolphins in japan. hopefully an influential person like him can make a difference.
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Lol - yes, its entirely reasonable to expect him to post bad press about his company and to ignore the good press. Everyone is doing that these days.
 
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