I've been on this planet for 36 years, and have never been in a car accident. I guess I'm safe![]()
Or I guess you are lucky! As someone who have been driving 36 years, you are well aware that car accidents are not always due to your careless driving.
I've been on this planet for 36 years, and have never been in a car accident. I guess I'm safe![]()
Not sure he wanted to do that.
Shows apple is joint 3rd spot. With windows and Blackberry looking good.
Linux is open. A good chunk of OS X's internals and the kernel are open. Windows is 100% closed and still has more viruses than both OS X and Linux combined, so how do you come to this conclusion?
I still don't understand how they could make Android from Linux and mess it up so badly as far as security is concerned.
This is hilarious. All the apple fanboys are foaming at the mouth. But the minute ios gets any malware they are so quick to defend or say it isnt much of a threat.
Android has a far less restrictive environment which is both a blessing for developers but a potential curse for users encountering malware; as freejazz-man points out iOS apps have a very restricted awareness of the file-system and even files in general, which makes it hard for an app to break out of its sandbox and start tampering with files it shouldn't. But at the same time it also limits an app's ability to provide enhancements to the OS itself, install plugins into other apps and so-on.Developer freedom to do what? Create the same apps that are on every other OS?
please dude, I've worked for years as a computer security analyst for years, you have no idea what it takes to write an exploit. The fact that you didn't answer the question proves my point.
Why would that not be because of the malware market? What about what I said doesn't answer that question? Virus writers write for windows because 99% of the world uses windows. When you are playing a game that involves a small chance of successful exploit based upon the actual software on the target, then you are going to go for the most common denominator, which isn't osx.
Did you not read the discussion for the last 3 pages? I'd appreciate it if you didn't spout the most tired and trite lines of the past 20 years.
What about unix underpinnings make it less vulnerable to exploits? Do you know what an exploit is? Do you know the difference between an exploit and choosing to run software that will mess up your computer? It seems like you don't, so perhaps you aren't qualified to judge whether or not osx is inherently more secure because of it's unix underpinnings or any other reason.
This is hilarious. All the apple fanboys are foaming at the mouth. But the minute ios gets any malware they are so quick to defend or say it isnt much of a threat.
Then please explain why there are some Trojan horses for Mac but not any viruses. Clearly, Mac OS X has been targeted. Also, at least 5% of the world uses Mac OS X.
Or I guess you are lucky! As someone who have been driving 36 years, you are well aware that car accidents are not always due to your careless driving.
This is hilarious. All the apple fanboys are foaming at the mouth. But the minute ios gets any malware they are so quick to defend or say it isnt much of a threat.
That's because as per the link I've posted twice now Apple last year knowingly sold apps that stole your data without the user knowing about it or having a jail broken device. Not much incentive for underground malware developers when Apple has already provided a legit business model for it!!
And so what? Come back when you can prove that iOS has the worldwide market that's higher then Android, until then I am correct in my original post and confused why you felt it necessary to show I was?
Also please find where in my post I stated Apple was loosing market share? Because I certainly didn't state the ONCE in my post you have quoted, or are you taking me out of context now to fit in with your argument?
Also why have you totally failed to answer my question about commercials? Please stop making off the cuff posts that you cannot backup with facts in anyway.
There are more Toyota cars on the streets than Ferraris, does that mean Toyotas are better cars?
Wasn't my point. But nice try, no dominos fell. My point was, shouldn't he worry about other things than reading about, and deciding to tweet about this? BFD, he is the VP of Marketing, so this is how he markets Apple products now, by tweeting negatives about the competition. Sad. Pathetic really.
Openness has little to do with security.
It's the whole OS design. Specifically, there's two parts: kernel and userland.
It's all the stuff you run on top of it that is where people start to get screwed.
If all you ran were time-tested command line tools on top of any of those kernels, you're probably pretty well off. The attack surface area has been covered pretty well over time. Hence why Linux and OSX are typically fine.
Laughing so hard right now at the ignorant idiots who keep claiming "There isn't one OS X virus right now."
Do you people understand how systems work? There are tons upon tons of viruses in existence for basically any platform you could think of. I could go and write a small virus right now and gift it you right now if I wanted too.
Viruses can be created by anyway willing to learn, and for you to say OSX is virus free is the best joke I've heard all year.
Laughing so hard right now at the ignorant idiots who keep claiming "There isn't one OS X virus right now."
Do you people understand how systems work? There are tons upon tons of viruses in existence for basically any platform you could think of. I could go and write a small virus right now and gift it you right now if I wanted too.
Viruses can be created by anyway willing to learn, and for you to say OSX is virus free is the best joke I've heard all year.
Laughing so hard right now at the ignorant idiots who keep claiming "There isn't one OS X virus right now."
Do you people understand how systems work? There are tons upon tons of viruses in existence for basically any platform you could think of. I could go and write a small virus right now and gift it you right now if I wanted too.
Viruses can be created by anyway willing to learn, and for you to say OSX is virus free is the best joke I've heard all year.
It's unusual to see Schiller trolling around.
Desperate times call for desperate actions.
Way to go, Phil. Next time though, try to be a little more subtle.
As I have been saying all along Android blows iOS away
this is just another example. Look how much more malware you get
and its free. I just put my iPhone up for sale today. Good news since the resale value of the iPhone blows away Samsung phones I should be able to buy 3 or 4 with the money from my iPhone.
Also since the battery on the galaxy 3 last a good hour or two unless you shut off every feature of the phone. I can buy three of them that should last me a whole day
Just saying
desperate? apple is banging all of the profit in mobile. they cant make them fast enough. if thats desperate, sign my company up....
Not a joke, but a question of semantics. OS X is virus free by the actual defintion of the term. However, many people use "virus" as a synonym for "malware". If that is how you want to use it, then there is indeed malware for OS X.
However, that doesn't make people ignorant for using a more strict definition of the term.
Can you show us a virus for OS X, iOS or android?
But whether an OS is open or closed is a fundamental part of the design so your explanation is a bit of a non sequitur.
I won't go toe-to-toe with every point you make because I agree or already understood most of what you went over, but I would point out that most of the "time-tested command line tools" in Linux and OS X are open source so you're really arguing against yourself pointing that out.
Where I disagree with you is whether or not being open contributes to software security. I think it does. One of the things I've observed over the years is that open source security issues are usually noticed and patched before it becomes a widespread problem. That's a direct result of so many eyes looking at the code and so many programmers having access to it. Noticing the security issue and patching it becomes a proactive thing, i.e., action is taken before it becomes a problem for end users.
With Windows, it seems to be more of a reactive environment. The issue gets patched after countless machines have already been compromised and it has already become an issue for end users. Because fewer eyes are seeing the code and fewer programmers can contribute a fix, the process is a lot slower and more painful.
So, maybe we're both right but looking at it from different angles. Maybe OS X and Linux are no more secure than Windows, but because there's a larger degree of openness with them, the potential for viruses is minimized because of reaction time.
Who knows? But I think it's inaccurate to say open source software is no more secure than closed. It's pretty clear that it is in most cases.
And in the case of Android versus iOS, I'd point out that Android's jaw-droppingly poor support for OS updates probably makes security issues far worse than they should be.
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Not to defend anyone's delusions, but when most people say "virus" they are referring to Windows-like widespread outbreaks that affect numerous machines and cause problems. In that sense, there are no OS X viruses.
OSX isn't linux and it sure as hell isn't open source software.
The potential for viruses is mitigated by the fact that people generally don't use OSX or Linux.
What would be a more direct mitigating factor? I've asked numerous people here to explain what lengths OSX goes to to prevent exploits from being written that windows doesn't...
there are two types of people in this thread, those that know what a NOP-slide is and those that think osx and iOS are more secure due to their designs.