inkswamp
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Linux is open. A good chunk of OS X's internals and the kernel are open. Windows is 100% closed and still has more viruses than both OS X and Linux combined, so how do you come to this conclusion?
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Phil Schiller Tweets Link to Mobile Malware Report That Slams Android
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Linux is open. A good chunk of OS X's internals and the kernel are open. Windows is 100% closed and still has more viruses than both OS X and Linux combined, so how do you come to this conclusion?
And so what? Come back when you can prove that iOS has the worldwide market that's higher then Android, until then I am correct in my original post and confused why you felt it necessary to show I was?
Also please find where in my post I stated Apple was loosing market share? Because I certainly didn't state the ONCE in my post you have quoted, or are you taking me out of context now to fit in with your argument?
Also why have you totally failed to answer my question about commercials? Please stop making off the cuff posts that you cannot backup with facts in anyway.
parapup
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Except Windows isn't closed. It allows you to do whatever you want on your desktop or laptop. If they signed everything and only allowed users to run and install Microsoft approved software you would not have as many viruses.
Ability to run anything you want + ton of market share = Malware authors' attention.
Shouldn't an Apple executive be more concerned about his own house and less worried about tweeting virus info of Android devices? I mean really, THIS is what was important to him that day? What's next, will he tweet that Windows has more virus's than OSX?
How about fixing OSX and getting iOS 7 out the door?
How about fixing OSX and getting iOS 7 out the door?
Sorry I believe that my home security system is advanced; apart from the security guard 24/7 and my lovely Boston Terrier ... Lol
NT1440
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Yes, I'm sure the 12 seconds that Schiller spent posting on TWITTER was what he considered his main importance for the day 🙄
Is it fun setting up your own dominoes to knock down?
yes, exactly. at best iOS has one of them apartment style chains on the door. not true layered security.
Wasn't my point. But nice try, no dominos fell. My point was, shouldn't he worry about other things than reading about, and deciding to tweet about this? BFD, he is the VP of Marketing, so this is how he markets Apple products now, by tweeting negatives about the competition. Sad. Pathetic really.
iChrist
macrumors 65816
Yes. Jobs is gone and Apple's share of a market they created it getting washed away as fast as it was created.
Fat Phil should let iOS7 do the talking, not his passive aggressive tweet. Or maybe we need to wait till iOS8 for some innovation. #lost at sea
"Droid Does" is the troll line to say when something goes wrong on a friend's Android phone. My friend has a 'Droid that he brags about a lot (bragging that I almost always ignore), and one day, I got a bunch of random text messages from him then one that said "sorry, my phone is spazzing out". "Yeah, Droid Does that."
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You're totally right. The reason Android has malware is just because the store is less regulated.
No, this is the cost of not taking care of your customers.
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Yes. Jobs is gone and Apple's share of a market they created it getting washed away as fast as it was created.
Fat Phil should let iOS7 do the talking, not his passive aggressive tweet. Or maybe we need to wait till iOS8 for some innovation. #lost at sea
Eaten too many bad apples lately?
Well now that Android has the most world market share, I'm sure the excuse is going to be that it's the most popular platform. It's like the excuse of why there is not a single virus (READ: VIRUS) for Mac OS X.
I'll have the same argument with you that I've had with anyone else in this thread. OSX and iOS security have very little to do with the os design and everything to do with the economics of the malware market.
Do you honestly have any idea on whether or not osx is anymore susceptible to buffer overflows than windows??
Windows security is horrible. There are breaches everywhere. If you've ever made any prank Windows programs or know anyone who has or have even used Windows, you'll know.
Mac OS X is less susceptible to viruses because of the UNIX roots. Not sure if this is true, but there have been claims that UNIX-based systems cannot actually get viruses, only non-replicating malware like Trojan horses.
The fact that there isn't at least ONE Mac virus and comparably extremely few Mac malware programs says a lot. There's no way that's only because of the malware market.
iOS is malware-free so far, and it has been the most popular platform before. Right now, it is still very popular, the most popular in the USA. No malware.
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Your reasoning is right for the wrong reason. The number of malware and number of installs would not be directly proportional.
iGrip
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inkswamp
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What's your definition of "open/closed?" Windows is 100% closed. From top to bottom, it is proprietary software. OS X is about 50/50. Linux is 100% open.
Does your definition of "open" mean "ability to run anything you want?" Nothing stops people from running what they want on Linux and OS X.
This reminds me of all the Google fanboys who think "open" means free services. "Dude, Google is so open. Look... free maps!" 🙄
please dude, I've worked for years as a computer security analyst for years, you have no idea what it takes to write an exploit. The fact that you didn't answer the question proves my point.
Why would that not be because of the malware market? What about what I said doesn't answer that question? Virus writers write for windows because 99% of the world uses windows. When you are playing a game that involves a small chance of successful exploit based upon the actual software on the target, then you are going to go for the most common denominator, which isn't osx.
Did you not read the discussion for the last 3 pages? I'd appreciate it if you didn't spout the most tired and trite lines of the past 20 years.
What about unix underpinnings make it less vulnerable to exploits? Do you know what an exploit is? Do you know the difference between an exploit and choosing to run software that will mess up your computer? It seems like you don't, so perhaps you aren't qualified to judge whether or not osx is inherently more secure because of it's unix underpinnings or any other reason.
Openness has little to do with security.
It's the whole OS design. Specifically, there's two parts: kernel and userland.
The Linux kernel, xnu kernel, and Windows NT kernel are all actually pretty secure. (yeah, you heard that right, I said Windows NT has a pretty secure kernel. if you're laughing, finish reading first.)
A secure kernel is nice. Too bad it goes downhill from there.
It's all the stuff you run on top of it that is where people start to get screwed.
If all you ran were time-tested command line tools on top of any of those kernels, you're probably pretty well off. The attack surface area has been covered pretty well over time. Hence why Linux and OSX are typically fine.
Windows' security is so bad because most people ran as admin. Then install stuff and give it root/SYSTEM privileges, allow it to modify the registry, which modifies the system startup behavior, and then install themselves into kernel modules/drivers to break everything. Oh, and the fancy automation tools your OS gives you? Yeah, any malware author would be nuts not to take advantage of it. There's so many ways in now, and we all kept building more. It's no wonder Vista's UAC was so annoying; all that stuff wasn't supposed to be open that way in the first place. The user's done for.
Linux as a desktop/server OS is fine because much of the tools are built on top of decades old time tested environments. But when you take the secure kernel and marry it to the Android userland, and hand the whole thing off to HTC and Samsung to make strange daemons which allow you to exploit yourself through localhost, then you're hosed. You're sandboxed, but it's leaky. I mean, /sdcard is practically entirely unsecured regardless of permissions during this time. You're allowing companies who suck at writing software write software that runs as root. You're screwed.
Don't even get me started on the idea of installing 3rd party keyboards. Just think about it. Think about it. What could go wrong with a 3rd party utility knowing everything you type on an internet-enabled device?
OSX? If all you did was run it as a server just like Linux on servers, you're fine. But when you start encouraging people who don't like to read to type in your admin password everytime they need to install stuff, you're training them to just type in their password when the dialog appears. Then that's how you get Flashback. At least you have to type in your password, which is better than the above. But, for users who don't read (most of them), they're hosed. Not to mention installing massive frameworks (Java) and bundling them as part of the OS? Whoops, you know the story.
iOS starts with xnu again, but pretty much asks everything to be signed or go through certain frameworks to do anything with consumer data outside of the sandbox. The sandboxing is pretty good. Until you load an open source framework (freetype) with security holes into a sandbox with weaker restraints (Safari) and then get owned (jailbreakme.com). Thankfully, other decisions make it easier to blow away said OS and restore from an image and restore all data.
But still, you end up with people taking data they don't need (contacts) (Charlie). All you can do is celebrate that while somebody might steal your address book, at least they can't listen in on your calls. At least somebody's worked a bit on securing userland.
Every OS has holes. Every. Reality sucks doesn't it?
Give these exploits all time to simmer, the tastier ones get popular, and that's how you end up with a report like this from F-Secure.
Then please explain why there are some Trojan horses for Mac but not any viruses. Clearly, Mac OS X has been targeted. Also, at least 5% of the world uses Mac OS X.
iGrip
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macs4nw
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The 'walled garden' suddenly looks pretty good, but I'm sure a determined bunch of hackers could make iOS users' lives miserable, if they tried long and hard enough. I would never for a moment believe, that we iOS users are immune from any attacks/malware etc. The harder it is, and the bigger the challenge, the more twisted satisfaction hackers get from it. Common sense and vigilance are always good practice.