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The space currently occupied by the headphone 3.5mm jack would be freed up for a slightly larger battery, I imagine.
While that may be true, that 3.5mm jack makes it amazingly easy to just pick up any cheap headphone when the wish for audio arises away from home (more then once happened to me due to delayed trains or flights) and you are not carrying your headphones with you.
->The unparalleled beauty of a massively wide spread standard

P.S. getting rid of the 3.5mm jack would also create the need for in-ear headphones with own DACs, making them much more expensive and potentially heavier...not likely an improvement.
 
...especially since we all know that a lightning 2 connector is probably already being prepped to make all lightning 1 accessories obsolete. That's the biggest problem with narrowly proprietary connectors. We've already been through this over and over with Apple and yet many of us seem to forget or don't care about good working hardware being made obsolete because Apple decides to shift to a new proprietary connector. How many times have they done that in the last decade?

Once in 2012, when they adopted the lightning connector. It replaced a connector that was introduced in 2003 and hadn't changed physically since then.

Oh, sorry, I interrupted a rant. Do carry on. You were saying something about "something, something over and over something, something".
 
No. Ghetto means poor, non-professional. The word 'cans' is also used as a term for a woman's boobs. It's completely ghetto to use 'cans' in a professional environment.

For what it's worth: I don't think people are saying you meant disrespect by using the word ghetto. The words of caution have less to do with the dictionary definition, and more about the cultural and ethnic bias that often accompanies the word. Many feel that cultural differences are not necessary worse just because they are more popular in poor neighborhoods. Just a good to use caution with a word that could be uncomfortable to some (which was your point to begin with in reference to "cans").

Back to the topic at hand: I wonder if they'll come out with a USB version of the same thing that could be used with Android devices and PCs.
 
FW to 30 pin

re-pin of the 30 pin

30 pin to Lightning


Not that it really matters

Firewire as an exclusive method for an Apple product was more than a decade ago, and even then it wasn't proprietary (just unpopular).

I don't get your re-pin statement. It was software based. They didn't actually change the pins of the cable. This ended up *adding* features.
 
No. Ghetto means poor, non-professional. The word 'cans' is also used as a term for a woman's boobs. It's completely ghetto to use 'cans' in a professional environment.

Cans...ghetto...boobs...your posts get more and more ironic.

In the music industry, it IS fine to refer to headphones as cans; however, referring to them as sweater hams is not professional.
 
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Firewire as an exclusive method for an Apple product was more than a decade ago, and even then it wasn't proprietary (just unpopular).

I don't get your re-pin statement. It was software based. They didn't actually change the pins of the cable. This ended up *adding* features.

No, there was an actual change as the 30-pin went from charging via Firewire to charging via USB. You had to have an adapter if you wanted to use an old Firewire charging accessory with a new USB device.
 
P.S. getting rid of the 3.5mm jack would also create the need for in-ear headphones with own DACs, making them much more expensive and potentially heavier...not likely an improvement.

The DAC can be in the player so long as the player supports analog signals over the line. I know the old iOS connectors did. I'm not sure about the Lightning connectors and analog.

The biggest problem with Lightning connectors is they are propriety. Unless Apple wants to make them open and free to the world, the world will not adopt them (and might very well not even if they did). There IS a standard and it's mini/micro USB.
 
If they're any good I'd happily pay that. All we need now is HD music on iTunes to complete the circle.
 
No, there was an actual change as the 30-pin went from charging via Firewire to charging via USB. You had to have an adapter if you wanted to use an old Firewire charging accessory with a new USB device.

Clarify this. I only remember having the choice between a USB or Firewire cable. They both had the same 30 pin on the other end. This was introduced in 2000 with the iPod 3rd generation in an attempt to acquire more windows users. Are you calling USB a proprietary cable?
 
If they're any good I'd happily pay that. All we need now is HD music on iTunes to complete the circle.

So-called "HD Music" is a total SHAM. There is no audible difference between 24/96 and 16/44. There isn't one test study to show otherwise including consumer double blind trials. It's a marketing gimmick. The only reason some albums sound better is that they were mastered better (a CD press would sound identical, but they typically won't make a CD version (without altering volume levels at least which is exactly what they do on SACD) because the illusion would be destroyed). The one thing Apple COULD do, however is offer uncompressed AIFF versions of albums (AIFF is better than WAV since it supports tagging and album art and WAV does not).

If anything, Apple has destroyed sound quality with iTunes. In case some haven't noticed, most (not all) iTunes albums are heavily compressed with very little dynamic range. Yes, many CDs are too, but iTunes versions of albums I already have are noticeably louder (i.e. more compressed).

There's a certain irony that most albums on old fashion LP/Vinyl from the '60s and '70s have more dynamic range than your average CD these days. It's not a format problem. It's a mastering choice made by people that believe LOUDER = BETTER FOR SALES, especially since they know most people listen on crappy ear buds and two-bit car stereos in loud environments where it would be hard to hear quieter passages so they make them all as loud as possible. This largely kills many types of music for the home environment with a quiet room and good speakers, but since when has a minority's desires ever meant anything to a majority?

The ONLY thing >16-bit music has over 16-bit is more dynamic range. NO albums outside some high-end classical ones are using the full 16-bits, let alone more than that (and even a CD can accommodate up to 18-bits in the most sensitive frequency bands using noise-shaping to shift the noise into a band you are insensitive to). Your typical average pop/rock/hip-hop/rap album made these days probably uses about 8-10 bits dynamic range and that's a FACT (many have less than that, maybe even 4-6 bits worth of volume differences; sample one into a waveform editor and see for yourself; it looks like "IIIII" all the way across indicating it's pegged out on the meter. A good virgin LP has about 12-bits of dynamic range and can convey audio information to as high as 22kHz without excessive noise making the signal essentially useless. Within a few plays, it will top out around 18kHz and eventually down to more like 16kHz from groove damage from the stylus during playback. Thus, any Redbook CD can easily capture an LP in its full "glory" despite some absurd claims from BS sources like Stereophile which base their claims on nonsense rather than science or actual double blind listening tests.

I record at 24/96 with Logic Pro for headroom (the only REAL reason to go above 16/44). The final result is noise-shaped filtered down to 16/44 and sounds literally identical the master mix. In fact, I hear no audible differences at 256+kbps AAC even, although it's possible some complex material could exhibit an anomaly now and again (doubtful anyone wold notice, though without a direct comparison), which is why AIFF would be a desirable improvement on iTunes. Anything beyond that is a gimmick. That won't stop them from doing it anyway if they can convince the gullible uneducated public that it is not only better but like the difference between NTSC and HD video!!! Yeah!!!! It's not, of course. It's not even remotely like that.

Given the subjective nature of audio, they can make any wide-eye claim they want and some people will spoon it up. It really hasn't worked so well for SACD thus far, though despite at least many albums being remastered for less compression. They don't make a ton of sales like the CD did over vinyl (largely to do with lack of wear and ease of song selection; most of my best vinyl albums like Dark Side of the Moon sound very favorably comparable to the CD versions (SACD multi-channel is a whole different ball of wax, of course as more channels do change the sound a lot).
 
Clarify this. I only remember having the choice between a USB or Firewire cable. They both had the same 30 pin on the other end. This was introduced in 2000 with the iPod 3rd generation in an attempt to acquire more windows users. Are you calling USB a proprietary cable?

The 30-pin appeared the same, and physically fit, but say you had a 30-pin cable in your car that was designed for the original firewire devices. Your device would connect, sync, and transfer data, but it would not charge. Same with your Firewire to 30-pin Apple cable and brick. You could connect it to the new USB only devices, but they would not charge.

In that case you needed one of these adapters to allow charging. http://www.amazon.com/Scosche-passP...31639&sr=1-3&keywords=firewire+adapter+30+pin
 
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So, how would you charge your iPhone when these headphones are using the lighting connector? It would be nice if the headphones came with some kind of pass-through connector.

There has to be a pass-through for something like this to work/succeed.

I literally WORK OFF OF MY iPHONE.

that is... I use my iPhone for work calls all day long. I have my earbuds in as I type this -- about to make another call.

If I couldn't simultaneously charge my phone when it gets low (no-- I don't charge it all day, but sometimes it's a MUST to keep working), I will no longer be able to use my iPhone for work.

Surely Apple (beats by dre by apple?) will recognize this when they do their thing to eliminate the 3.5mm jack.
 
The 30-pin appeared the same, and physically fit, but say you had a 30-pin cable in your car that was designed for the original firewire devices. Your device would connect, sync, and transfer data, but it would not charge. Same with your Firewire to 30-pin Apple cable and brick. You could connect it to the new USB only devices, but they would not charge.

In that case you needed one of these adapters to allow charging. http://www.amazon.com/Scosche-passP...31639&sr=1-3&keywords=firewire+adapter+30+pin

Wow. Ok, I'll give you that. So if you had an older accessory, like a hardwired ipod connection in your car, Apple's move to USB caused problems. I'd say overall the change benefited more people then it hurt, but some customers did get stuck in the transition.

My first BMW came setup for a BB Curve, although at the time I had a Windows phone, by the time I upgraded my phone to a BB I had a Bold. It was silly for BMW to build the car specifically for one model, but during that time period my CLA still worked fine.
 
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Wow. Ok, I'll give you that. So if you had an older accessory, like a hardwired ipod connection in your car, Apple's move to USB caused problems. I'd say overall the change benefited more people then it hurt, but some customers did get stuck in the transition.

My first BMW came setup for a BB Curve, although at the time I had a Windows phone, by the time I upgraded my phone to a BB I had a Bold. It was silly for BMW to build the car specifically for one model, but during that time period my CLA still worked fine.

Oh it was definitely the right way to go as the iPod became mainstream. Sticking with Firewire was a no-go to meet the mass market. Still, it was odd that Apple never provided that kind of adapter themselves considering it was pretty straightforward and there were a lot of accessories that were left out by the change. I had a couple of cars I needed those adapters for.
 
Why doesn't apple just use a lightening connector to charge MacBooks too? My issue with these is that I can't use them with my macbook pro. Sure, you can use them on your iPhone, and iPad air/mini but then you'd need a separate set of headphones for your macs. It could just be me but I'd prefer one set of headphones to use on all my devices.
 
Maybe I'm just not an audiophile - but I absolutely hate people using the word 'cans' to describe headphones. Sounds so ghetto and disrespectful to me.

Thank you. I thought I was the only one. Though I wouldn't use the word ghetto. Just sounds crass to me.
 
So-called "HD Music" is a total SHAM...
I'm sure you're experienced in this field but I just don't agree with you. I'm waiting for my Pono Player but the reviews I've read so far all agree that the sound quality is amazing with 24bit downloads. Once I've got my player and downloaded a few 24bit albums I'll let you know how I get on with my own listening tests versus my iTunes downloads played on my iPhone.
 
"only" people with iPhone 5, 5c, 5s, 6 and 6plus... And also iPad 4, iPad Mini, iPad Air. Tens of millions of devices. I wouldn't downplay the size of this market.

microUSB may be the standard today, but it only supports USB 2.0, so it's to be replaced very soon by a new connector which supports USB 3.0 and, unlike the current microUSB 3.0 connector, is reversible (like Lightning).

Lightning is ONLY used by apple sweetie. Outside of apple nobody cares about lightning.
 
I'm sure you're experienced in this field but I just don't agree with you. I'm waiting for my Pono Player but the reviews I've read so far all agree that the sound quality is amazing with 24bit downloads. Once I've got my player and downloaded a few 24bit albums I'll let you know how I get on with my own listening tests versus my iTunes downloads played on my iPhone.

My point is that it's not the 24-bits that's making them sound "amazing" but the fact they are REMASTERING the albums (older albums weren't digital to begin with and most lack anywhere near 16-bit resolution even on the master tape). In other words, like the better SACD albums, they sound good because for once they're not mastering them for the lowest common denominator. But it's not the 24-bit that makes the difference (which as I've explained above is irrelevant for the final mix). In other words, the Pono albums might very well sound better, but they sound better because they're cleaning things up on the mastering side. The 24-bit thing is irrelevant in the final mix because those recordings do not contain 24-bits of dynamic range. I doubt most come even close to 16-bits. You can convert any non-protected 24-bit recording to 16-bits yourself and hear they are identical sounding. Believe me, you wouldn't WANT to hear 24-bits of actual resolution. You'd go from the quietest sound you ever heard to the sound of a space shuttle taking off 50 feet away and blow your ear drums out.

The really funny stuff are the vinyl people who believe vinyl just somehow sounds "better" than digital unless it's 24/196. Vinyl is 12-bit at best and the high frequencies roll off more each time they're played. Obviously, there are more factors to sound "quality" than dynamic range and frequency response. Those are just basic fundamentals needed to reproduce/capture music but things like the microphones used, mixing levels, noise, etc. are massively important. A mastering engineer can make or break how an album sounds.

Believe it or not, lower dynamic range can sound pretty darn good or my record collection wouldn't sound good right off my analog rig. On the opposite end of the argument I can record the sound of someone knocking on a door at the highest possible quality but that doesn't make it music.

I simply want people to have some idea of what actually makes a good recording, not magic advertising numbers. I've got a heavy vinyl version of Dark Side of the Moon and I've got every other high-end version and multi-channel SACD/DVD-Audio versions. I don't want to compare multi-channel since it's a different experience, but let's just say the analog vinyl (limited to around 12-bits resolution in terms of actual usable dynamic range) sounds pretty darn good, but then so does the Mobile Fidelity mastered CD version.
 
The DAC can be in the player so long as the player supports analog signals over the line. I know the old iOS connectors did. I'm not sure about the Lightning connectors and analog.

The biggest problem with Lightning connectors is they are propriety. Unless Apple wants to make them open and free to the world, the world will not adopt them (and might very well not even if they did). There IS a standard and it's mini/micro USB.

Lightning does not support analog audio.

...and while I agree with your assessment, I do have the keen hope, that usb 3.1 with the c-type connector will have it's grand start in 2014 (replacing mini and micro)...10 GBit/s and 100 Watt delivered to the device?! hmmmm...tasty....
 
Does anybody know what happened to this? They should have been released by now but there are no news.
 
Maybe I'm just not an audiophile - but I absolutely hate people using the word 'cans' to describe headphones. Sounds so ghetto and disrespectful to me.

It comes from English pro audio equipment in the 80s and earlier. It is meant to sound somewhat arrogant because the notion back then was that headphones were a cheapo replacement for good speakers.
 
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