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Is it a nice update? Yes. Do I think it is worth updating over the 2013-2015 models? No. I am planning to see what the next updates hold, as I see this as Apple trying things out for the first time, and for the next one, it'll be more fleshed out.
I think it's completly Dumb people upgrading their computers every year. Must have money to throw away. Same for 2 years. Most people seem to upgrade 4-5 years so to those people it is a big change.
It's like the complainers that have a 6S and buy the 7 then just complain it's not much better. Well duh
 
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Just want to input on the card reading speed:

On my 2015 MBP15, with the internal SD card reader on the computer, I can routinely hit the theoretical read/write speed limit of ~90MB/s with a Sandisk Extreme PRO (95MB/s as written on card specs). I would assume the reader could reach 160MB/s for the higher tier cards but I have never personally tried that.

So no, the 2016 MBP does not give you advantage on card reading speed alone. The internal SSD is fast, it clocks at 2GB/s according to tests, which is a few times more than any card can do / transfer. If anyone is getting a noticeable improvement in importing speed on the 2016 MBP, chances are you upgrade from 2014 or prior models which had a much slower combination of SSD / USB speed, and also Lightroom etc probably runs considerably faster for you anyway.

But of course end of the day if a new computer is speeding up workflow significantly without any configuration, then it can only be good news for a photographer.
 
I think it's completly Dumb people upgrading their computers every year. Must have money to throw away. Same for 2 years. Most people seem to upgrade 4-5 years so to those people it is a big change.
It's like the complainers that have a 6S and buy the 7 then just complain it's not much better. Well duh

If you use it for business the price can be tax deductible. The old machine can also be sold to recoup a good chunk of the cost. Or in my case we have a pipeline - my old machine can go to my wife, and her machine can go to my kid, and my kid's machine can replace a 2009 MBP that had been acting as an iTunes, file, and web server. Some variation of this pipeline occurs each time my work machine is replaced.

That said, I agree it's dumb to complain if you upgrade every year or two and don't see a big improvement.
 
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Thank you all for your posts, especially @Bryan Bowler @Guy Mancuso @arbitrage and @cmaier i really appreciate your perspectives.

In studio, I primarily shoot with a Canon 5DS R which is 50MP so file transfer is a huge concern tethered or dumping cards. I am sure the 2015 would be more than adequate for now and immediate availability is of course a plus. However, I am likely going to hang on to this for 4-5 years as it isn't my main workhorse so probably worth the wait. Cost isn't really that important but still part of the consideration.

I currently don't really edit on my MBA because I dislike the 13" screen size and quality. That may change on the new laptop and allow me to be a little more flexible. My studio is windowless and always cold so choose to do most of my post at my home office, perhaps I just need to find a better studio space instead lol.

If I could find a nMBP with a 460 would buy it today but been to 3 apple stores and all only have the stock configurations. I think it's worth the wait and am going to put an order in this week. If kevinkook's predictions of the MVP world coming to an end ar true, will cancel. Lol.

One thing I haven't really decided on is disk size. I don't really keep any files on my current laptop other than current project, everything gets offloaded to my desktop environment. It's nice to have the bigger ssd of course but think I might get more use out of putting that towards a portable external source that I can swap to my iMac and if it's fast enough, not even store any files on the internal ssd and then I don't even have to be copying back and forth. I currently have a few Samsung evo 840 1tb drives in portable USB 3 cases and they are pretty quick. Don't have the specs off the top of my head but in the 700mb/sec range. Having thunderbolt that can swap between devices would be good?


I would at least get the 512 GB drive. I get the 1Tb even though I off load everything I still keep current jobs on my desktop for maybe a month or two in a folder that I can access easily and if I'm on the road and a client needs a file I have immediate access to. I make a folder on my desktop called data hold and just keep stuff in there for a bit. I also like the elbow room if you are shooting tethered and your really cranking out a big gig that day. I used to shoot MF digital with a 60mpx back and that gets pretty heavy in data. I'm shooting the 42mpx Sony today but still our high max cams do suck up data fast.
 
Went into the apple store today to talk with a sales person and see if they had any configured MBPs in. The only one the had was fully loaded at over $4k cdn. a little more than i wanted to spend for a secondary machine. He said to order one online and then buy one instore now and use it until the one i want comes in at the end december and return the one i got now. So I bit the bullet and just got the 2015 as a tester and see how it works with my situation. Will bring it to the studio this weekend and see how it is but initial reaction is underwhelming. will keep you all posted.

btw, any of you guys do the Digilloyd photoshop benchmark? my iMac is 10.1 seconds, the MBP is 12.2 but would be interested what a 2016 hits? I think I will get the 2.7/512/460
 
I bought a 2.5GHZ 15" MBP (mid 2015) in July and it is a great computer. Runs CC 2K17, Id, Ai, Capture One Pro amazing, all while running normal programs (iTunes, browsers, 27" monitor).

Purchased mine for $2000USD with AppleCare until 02/19. Saved "a bit".
 
btw, any of you guys do the Digilloyd photoshop benchmark? my iMac is 10.1 seconds, the MBP is 12.2 but would be interested what a 2016 hits? I think I will get the 2.7/512/460

Lloyd says it's 12.8 (so a bit lower) for the test you seem to refer to. Check at links below. He compres to 2013 MBP and finds the new model on par with 2013 model for small and medium Photoshop jobs, much faster for large ones.

https://macperformanceguide.com/MacBookPro2016-diglloydBenchmarks.html
https://macperformanceguide.com/MacBookPro2016-CreateSizeVariants.html
 
Lloyd says it's 12.8 (so a bit lower) for the test you seem to refer to. Check at links below. He compres to 2013 MBP and finds the new model on par with 2013 model for small and medium Photoshop jobs, much faster for large ones.

https://macperformanceguide.com/MacBookPro2016-diglloydBenchmarks.html
https://macperformanceguide.com/MacBookPro2016-CreateSizeVariants.html

Hmm, not what I was expecting for the 2016 model.... part of me wants to cheap out on a 13" and instead invest in another iMac when the new ones next launch. I am shooting tethered in photoshop most of the time anyway.... hmm. decisions. decisions.
 
Shooting tethered will always be about the bandwidth of USB 3, So really not determined by the computer. I think your shooting Canon which uses USB and I think you are going to Lightroom . You may want to think about Capture One. Much better tethered shooting. You can download a free trail.
[doublepost=1480211328][/doublepost]Back to the 2013 model , yes my processing in C1 is about the same on my new 2016 model. Again I think we are starting to hit the wall a little in processors but I do like the very very fast Drives in this model. It's fast and frankly I like moving into the new ports as we will start seeing more externals to make use of those speeds.
 
Couldn't I say the same thing about this post (Seeing as how you have the newest MacBook Pro)? There are pros and cons for each side. For a photographer, I would recommend the 2015 model. Why?:

1) Skylake is not that much of an improvement over Haswell/Broadwell chips that were in the MBP's from 2015
2) Battery life is drastically shorter
3) No SD card reader
4) All TB3 ports
5) No MagSafe
6) Cheaper to buy the older models
7) A lot of QC issues that are popping up with the newer models

Sorry, but this post is just humorous

2) wrong
3) easy fix
4) this is good
5) sucks but there are benefits.
6) obviously?
7) show me how you quantify "a lot"

Sort, but you are just an idiot
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"An improvement is an improvement" is true, but to the extent that I would want to purchase the 2016 model over the 2015 one is subjective, hence why I say that it is not a clear-cut decision to pick either models.

The processor speed is increased by +0.1. I'm not really going to point fingers at Apple, because at the end of the day, Intel is severely lacking in upping the performance of these processors.

Next, anything will be a significant improvement over the M370X, which was just a rebranded 2XX card, which in it of itself was awful. So taking a below-average card like the mobile version of the 460 is nice, but is not something that I would seriously consider in spending at least $2600 in.

On top of that, I'll include one of the QC issues I meant here. The 2011-2013 models of the MacBook Pro were known to have a lot of issues concerning their dGPU's. I'm only specifying these, because even though the 2010 and 2014-2015 models were also affected, Apple laughably only acknowledges these three years of computers. I had my computers (2012 and 2015) affected as well, and one of the clear symptoms was when the computer screen froze, and I could do nothing but force shut down the computer. Well, we're already seeing reports of these things happening with the MacBook Pro 15", specifically the ones with the 460 card: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...and-new-mbp-2016.2015545/page-4#post-23939221.

Also, I'm sorry to say, but the battery life is shorter. But in terms of size and usage. The sizes of the batteries of the MacBook Pro's of the 13" and 15" variants are 74.9-watt-hour and 99.5-watt-hour respectively, from 2015. For 2016? 49.2-watt-hour and 79-watt-hour. That's a decrease of 34% and 20% respectively. That of course doesn't take into account the Skylake CPU's, which are more efficient, as well as the software-hardware integration. But how about the following reviews, which state the battery life is so-so compared to last year's?:

http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/science-technology/733392/MacBook-Pro-2016-Touch-Bar-review
https://www.engadget.com/2016/11/14/macbook-pro-review-2016/
https://www.wired.com/2016/11/review-apple-macbook-pro-touch-bar/
http://arstechnica.com/video/2016/11/the-2016-13-and-15-inch-touch-bar-macbook-pros-reviewed/

And let's add in personal experience from fellow MacRumor users:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/13-touch-bar-6-hours-battery-life.2015213/page-5#post-23944575

Let's talk about dongles and adapters now, because that's most of the complaints I have. Apple has a "vision" for the future. Well, professionals have a vision of keeping their jobs and doing the most effective that they can do now.

Well, let's say I want a USB-C to the following: Lightning (To charge my own phone), Digital AV multiport adapter, and USB adapter. The total for these three cables will be $83.16 without tax. Ah, I forgot the SD card reader. Another $29. So over $100 in accessories that I need to buy right now. What a future, am I right?

I must have these four cables with me at all times. I like to hook my computer up to a monitor at work, as well as the one I have at home.

I will make the argument of, well what if I forget one of these cables one day to work? How will I show a presentation I have on my MacBook Pro in a conference? The only option then would be to embarrassingly send the file to my co-worker, and use his computer because it has an HDMI port that I can easily plug into. A counter argument will be made that, "Hey, just don't lose the adapters!" But unfortunately as humans, we are all prone to making mistakes. Can you imagine if I lose an adapter and I absolutely need one right away? I will need to run to the nearest Apple Store or Best Buy. Again, what a future.

It's also an added hilariousness that some USB-C adapters won't work at the same time with WiFi. Why? Well I've read that because any of these ports can charge the computer, a very minuscule amount of current ripple can occur over the connections, and because of this, it's evident that Apple failed to test peripherals properly. In other words, not only could Apple's own peripherals not work (Feel free to read the reviews on their own website), but it's not a far stretch that the ones on Amazon won't either.

Here's a demonstration of that:

Next, let's talk about MagSafe. A "small" sacrifice, you say? Hm. I can't count the number of times someone tripped over my laptop charger, whether it be at a library, a conference room, or another public place, and the charger simply plopped off the computer. Equating the term "small sacrifice" to my $2000-4000 computer being damaged doesn't really make sense to me, but okay.

In addition, let's talk about costs. Again, you'll have to see the "full" picture. In this case, what I wrote up up above, and on top of that, the costs. So let me spell that out: The battery life (Which is better on the 2015 models), the fact that I don't need to ever worry about dongles because the 2015 MacBook Pro's come with HDMI and SD card slots, as good of a screen as this year's, a less controversial keyboard, MagSafe, AND costs.

Funny how you never mention the QC issues, but hey, enjoy your new computer. I said in the beginning that it's okay if you want to purchase the new MacBook Pro. It is in my opinion that if you have anything older than the 2012 retina MacBook Pro, it is a worthy upgrade. But if you're trying to make a clear-cut argument that, "OF COURSE the 2016 model is better than the 2015," then no. I disagree, and I find it sad that people like you are trying to make it a much more black-and-white distinction than it already is, for people who are about to pay thousands of dollars for a device they will use for t
Your inclusion of that hack in the video invalidates everything you've said. He's been proven to be incorrect and misleading.
 
While I may not have the experience that most of the other posters here have I will throw out a few initial thoughts and impressions. Most of my work is done on the move and primarily using LR and only PS as needed usually rarely. I'm Also coming from using a 2009 17" MBP which has been a workhorse but was badly overdue for retirement.

I have the 15" 2.9/1TB/460 unit & it is a very fast machine. So far I haven't noticed any glitches or concerns others have been coming across from time to time. The processing time in LR has blown me away even when compared to my very nicely setup desktop rig. USB-C is what it is. Yes we need adapters for it but that is to be expected and part of the package. In six months or a year I doubt it will be a concern. If you do any editing on the road it may be worth while to get the 2016 instead of an older unit. The display is phenomenal. As I said I may be a bit biased given the age of the machine I switched from however I see no reason to not at the very least highly consider the 2016. I know I will be keeping this unit for the next 5 years or so & that is why I spent the extra on the spec.
 
Well, have buyers remorse on the 2015 model. Not that there was anything wrong with it after the first couple days in the studio but do love new technology and new models.

I am going to be hanging on to this for a while, prob forever as my closet has at least 5 or 6 macs in it. May as well get something that will be relevant over the next 5 years with USB-C and the latest as of today. Really, the upgrade is only a months payment on my BMW so why not.

Ordered up the 2.7/512/460 and should be here 3-4 weeks. Will keep the 2015 going until it gets here and take that back. Thanks for the feedback guys.
 
Honestly as a working Pro this stuff pays for itself and i have a nice tax deduction for 2016 on top of having the latest unit for the next couple years until some earth shattering tech pops up. Im actually buying the Lexar 2000 cards so i can upload even faster to Capture One Time is money. I buy the latest camera tech why not my computer. Im really liking this model
 
2015 15 inch is the best value for money. If you like to throw your money away then invest in a brand new product with tons of issues propping up.
 
2015 15 inch is the best value for money. If you like to throw your money away then invest in a brand new product with tons of issues propping up.

What issues. Seriously I returned my perfect silver maxed out for a space grey last night. Both machines have zero issues. I'm not throwing away any money but investing in my business. I'm also investing in my computers future. I've been around a long time USB 2, FireWire 400,800, floppy disks and all old tech that's gone now. You honestly think TB2 and USB 2 are not destined for the dinosaur den than your looking at the glass half empty.

Such BS floating around here the sky is falling.
 
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What issues. Seriously I returned my perfect silver maxed out for a space grey last night. Both machines have zero issues. I'm not throwing away any money but investing in my business. I'm also investing in my computers future. I've been around a long time USB 2, FireWire 400,800, floppy disks and all old tech that's gone now. You honestly think TB2 and USB 2 are not destined for the dinosaur den than your looking at the glass half empty.

Such BS floating around here the sky is falling.

Have you looked around the internet, just because you aren't having issues doesn't mean others are not. Chances are much higher you will run into some issues on a new MacBook as compared to last years model.

Also good luck investing in your business with a machine that is marginally better than last years model but a heck of a lot more expensive, and less productive in other ways. It will loose more value than last years model simply because of the insane price premium.

The most sensible choice for anyone that doesn't absolutely need the extra power of a 460 is to invest in last years model since it is available refurbished/ebay and then resell it when Apple actually releases a worthwhile upgrade after a couple of years or so. By that time USB C would be mainstream as well. The price difference between a highly specced 15 inch from last year and this years model is like 1500 CAD. However, you cannot reason with irrational consumers.
 
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This is a good thread! I've learned a lot by reading through it. Thanks for all the insights from the professional photographers. I am not, but I'm always curious about the capabilities. My uses are totally different from yours, but I get it a little more. E.g. SD card capabilities, SSD, NAS, etc.. My 2 MB files are no comparison, but once they get up in quantity...

Anyone who keeps bringing up money in a thread like this is a tool, and clearly doesn't earn money with their computer. As the OP said, it's always a consideration of course, but time is much more valuable than money in professional cases. Looks like the haters show up on EVERY thread! Why do they care if the 2016 works for some?! WTF.
 
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Have you looked around the internet, just because you aren't having issues doesn't mean others are not. Chances are much higher you will run into some issues on a new MacBook as compared to last years model.

Also good luck investing in your business with a machine that is marginally better than last years model but a heck of a lot more expensive, and less productive in other ways. It will loose more value than last years model simply because of the insane price premium.

The most sensible choice for anyone that doesn't absolutely need the extra power of a 460 is to invest in last years model since it is available refurbished/ebay and then resell it when Apple actually releases a worthwhile upgrade after a couple of years or so. By that time USB C would be mainstream as well. The price difference between a highly specced 15 inch from last year and this years model is like 1500 CAD. However, you cannot reason with irrational consumers.

I'm coming from a 2013 model and I read the issues. There is only one with any one that is a concern glitch screen the the rest are migration issues and user issues. Forums are about the issues I know I own a phography forum. No different at all same stuff. My money is my money let's make that clear if I see a value to spending it than it's no business of yours. All I read is a jealous consumer that can't afford it or thinks a 2015 is the smarter buy. It's not really it has no future. It's also marginally better than my 2013 which I wanted replace I broke the trackpad a lens fell on it. As far as issues I have no doubts Apple will fix it or I can keep return till I get a good unit. I have not had to do that along with thousands of others. Again sky is falling threads run rampant. Who says any of those threads starters are really on top of there systems to begin with. Anyway I'm not going to fight with haters as I work for money and this is a waste of time. I'm happy what else freaking matters your obsession to knock others down. Get a life I'm out of here
 
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No doubt @Guy Mancuso and @thesaint024 ... I am so sick of people bitching. @motime not interested in your broke ass complaining bs...

I have a budget of $15k+ a year to upgrade equipment or buy whatever I need to earn a living. If something doesn't meet my needs or work how I want, I sell it or stick it on a shelf and buy something else. I don't really care and don't think of it as wasting money, time is money to me, and have wasted enough on this forum and this purchase to probably buy it 3 times over. My bad but it's my time and money to waste.

Anyway, this thread is for discussion of options from a photographers perspective, creative professionals or enthusiasts discussing options and what works for them. If you are just going to be a hater, get the hell out of my thread. We are not interested.
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2015 15 inch is the best value for money. If you like to throw your money away then invest in a brand new product with tons of issues propping up.

Do you have a 2016 MBP? Do you make a good living as a professional and have a budget to buy new equipment every year? I doubt it.

This will save me anywhere from 15-30 minutes a day over my last machine in file transfers alone, at my studio rate that would save me $100+/day in productivity, pays for itself in full in less than a month. No brainer upgrade.
 
The money issue is real, as far as professionals are concerned.

The argument on tax reducible or not is null. As a business, I can buy something cheaper and also have that cheaper price being tax free. The 2016 MBP lineup prices itself than the 2015 is a fact, and for someone who finds the 2015 version being equally sufficient as the 2016 then it means worse value in the new model.

Of course an individual professional can make the money back in no time, provided that you work on jobs of calibre the same as what Apple is asking for you to pay. But what about in scale, even for a small studio with team of 5, the price differences add up sizably. For scenarios of dozens or hundreds of employees, decision makers will find it harder to justify a purchase when a projected higher upfront price does not provide meaningful advantage in increasing efficiency. The dongle situation and the added cost associate to it is begging itself to be written off from to-buy lists.
 
Well I said this several times on this forum if your coming from a 2015 it may not make much sense performance wise and that's maybe a little harder to justify, that I understand completely but if your in a computer cycle like me coming from a 2013 than it's a bigger jump up on the upgrade so it's more favorable let's say to justify . Also the SSD got a ton faster than my 2013 unit so uploads and downloads gives us much shorter times on processing and such. So it's more effective unit to purchase. This happens when we buy lenses that we need a faster aperture lens. For many reasons jumping from a slower lens to a faster lens is double the price but if you need the speed and you like the look than it's easy to justify. Really no different , it's all about improving your proformance as a Pro in a business environment. Many jobs for me are shoot , process, delver all at the same time. So any performance advantage is a huge benefit when it's coming from our gear. This becomes a competitive edge on getting work too. We deal with client demands and a competitive field. If you can deliver than your going to get the work. Not sure why some folks don't understand this need in folks posting about our business. We know what we need, how do we get there is always going to be our challenge. I'm spending another 400 dollars replacing all my SD cards to get very fast cards that can read and write at 300db. That buys me a ton of import time to my raw processing software.

I just learned a big software upgrade this morning from Capture One that it's increased processing time. All this stuff adds up
 
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This is off topic but a lot of what we are talking about.

Diffrence between older Capture One 9 and the new 10 version that came out today. It cost 100 bucks to upgrade and for me certainly worth it but I just processed 50 Sony raws maxed out at 3:20
in time . Than took the same raws and ran them in C1 10. Okay batman and robin this is fast. Time lowered to 1:33 thats more than twice as fast


Now going into a job in January that i literally shoot close to 15 thousand images , process them than upload them for sale on smug mug . This is earth shattering time saved. This is one of the things this thread is addressing. Granted this is software but my fans did not even kick in and using all 4 cores.
 
This is off topic but a lot of what we are talking about.

Diffrence between older Capture One 9 and the new 10 version that came out today. It cost 100 bucks to upgrade and for me certainly worth it but I just processed 50 Sony raws maxed out at 3:20
in time . Than took the same raws and ran them in C1 10. Okay batman and robin this is fast. Time lowered to 1:33 thats more than twice as fast


Now going into a job in January that i literally shoot close to 15 thousand images , process them than upload them for sale on smug mug . This is earth shattering time saved. This is one of the things this thread is addressing. Granted this is software but my fans did not even kick in and using all 4 cores.

Cool, I downloaded C1 9 the other day but havent had a chance to play with it, if 10 just came out will grab that and give it a rip. Looking forward to some improved workflow. Also just picked up a 16' plus a 16' booster USB3 cable from tethertools, finally going to be able to get some fast USB3 transfers and enough cable that if I trip, it doesnt cost me a fortune.
 
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