Photgrapher's perspective nMBP or 2015?

[motime]

I'm coming from a 2013 model and I read the issues. There is only one with any one that is a concern glitch screen the the rest are migration issues and user issues. Forums are about the issues I know I own a phography forum. No different at all same stuff. My money is my money let's make that clear if I see a value to spending it than it's no business of yours. All I read is a jealous consumer that can't afford it or thinks a 2015 is the smarter buy. It's not really it has no future. It's also marginally better than my 2013 which I wanted replace I broke the trackpad a lens fell on it. As far as issues I have no doubts Apple will fix it or I can keep return till I get a good unit. I have not had to do that along with thousands of others. Again sky is falling threads run rampant. Who says any of those threads starters are really on top of there systems to begin with. Anyway I'm not going to fight with haters as I work for money and this is a waste of time. I'm happy what else freaking matters your obsession to knock others down. Get a life I'm out of here

This is just pretentious nonsense. It has nothing to do with jealousy, there are lots of people who can 'afford' the latest upgrade are instead opting for last years model because in 99% of the use cases it is the rational and sensible choice.
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No doubt @Guy Mancuso and @thesaint024 ... I am so sick of people bitching. @motime not interested in your broke ass complaining bs...

I have a budget of $15k+ a year to upgrade equipment or buy whatever I need to earn a living. If something doesn't meet my needs or work how I want, I sell it or stick it on a shelf and buy something else. I don't really care and don't think of it as wasting money, time is money to me, and have wasted enough on this forum and this purchase to probably buy it 3 times over. My bad but it's my time and money to waste.

Anyway, this thread is for discussion of options from a photographers perspective, creative professionals or enthusiasts discussing options and what works for them. If you are just going to be a hater, get the hell out of my thread. We are not interested.
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Do you have a 2016 MBP? Do you make a good living as a professional and have a budget to buy new equipment every year? I doubt it.

This will save me anywhere from 15-30 minutes a day over my last machine in file transfers alone, at my studio rate that would save me $100+/day in productivity, pays for itself in full in less than a month. No brainer upgrade.

Wow, even more pretentious BS. What the heck do you know about what I earn? Can you guys respond to anything without getting personal?

Sticking to the issue, the last point you made is exactly what I am referring to. The vast majority of MacBook Pro users are not going to be saving 20 mins a day transferring files to these new machines, so you are an extreme minority. The concerns however apply to a much larger base and are justified.

 

[Guy Mancuso]

No my friend this is our reality . I have been doing this for over 40 years, I think i know what photographers are up against and i also have taught 28 workshops to other photographers. I earned the right to be whatever the hell you want to call us. But since we are the minority as you call us 20 minutes a day at a day rate of lets say for argument sake is 2500 per day when we are actually billing on shooting jobs, you do the math. So that 20 minutes savings adds up to a lot of money saved or earned. Please walk a day in our shoes , this is ALL about money for us. BTW this is A PHOTOGRAPHERS THREAD and it is about US not the rest of the world. I could give a rats ass about the rest of the computing world. This is not play time this is business.

This goes for a lot of creative professionals like designers , video editors and folks like us that are on the clock.

 

[NT1440]

No my friend this is our reality . I have been doing this for over 40 years, I think i know what photographers are up against and i also have taught 28 workshops to other photographers. I earned the right to be whatever the hell you want to call us. But since we are the minority as you call us 20 minutes a day at a day rate of lets say for argument sake is 2500 per day when we are actually billing on shooting jobs, you do the math. So that 20 minutes savings adds up to a lot of money saved or earned. Please walk a day in our shoes , this is ALL about money for us. BTW this is A PHOTOGRAPHERS THREAD and it is about US not the rest of the world. I could give a rats ass about the rest of the computing world. This is not play time this is business.

If it's all about time, shouldn't you be using gear with the fastest data transfer rates rather than an SD card?

 

[Guy Mancuso]

Well we use SD cards for our cameras we really have no other options per say unless we are tethered to the computer and obviously you can't always shoot like that. But Both Lexar and Sandisk do offer SD cards that have reads and writes at 300db . I just bought 3 SD Lexar 2000 cards and buying a couple more. But that does help not in the camera per say but uploading to your raw processing programs like LR and Capture One so have really fast cards will save time as i import directly from the card. What will help down the road is faster externals. I have 3 right now. A Samsung T1 and that gets about 450 R/W and that I use mostly on the road. At home i have a Pegasus 4r with 4 1tb spinning drives running in Raid 0 which also has about 450 R/W and than just a 4TB USB 3 drive for just 3rd storage but slow. Obviously for me today with Capture One although not directly related to computer but it is in a sense is the program just got faster at least more than double processing speeds and that really helps processing time. Honestly we make money shooting not sitting here processing so the faster we are out shooting than we can be shooting more. In the future i thing all of the computing world will want devices that can take advantage of the USB-C speeds. How long that is is a big question mark but at least we can future proof ourselves. My 2013 needed to replaced and it cost a small fortune to fix the trackpad , actually it was 680 dollars because Apple wanted to replace the top deck too. The trackpad replacement includes new batteries too because the make these damn thing unrepairable. Thats another thread but I fix it gave these MBP a very poor repair rating as well. Sucks and I made very little money net on this after the repair costs. My son did not want it as he likes the 13 inch units

But one reason I do buy the 1TB drives is they are faster than anything, so I will process directly from the desktop than offload them. That today is our fastest option since these new drives they put in are fast as heck.

Seriously i get bored silly processing a lot of files and its a drag but it has to be done any second we can gain is a plus. I really bought this for the new ports and the faster SSD inside over the 2015 other than that i think they are very close to each other. I admit I like the space grey too. LOL

 

[Chancha]

I am fairly sure NT1440's question of why you are using SD card was referring to the fact that the current gen flagship DSLRs already use CFast or XQD, which have inherently faster speed and larger buffer than the best SD card available.

(In theory,) There is an even faster speed in studio situation if you shoot tethered, and using USB3+ wired connection from camera to computer where you have a motherboard capable of 2+ m.2 SSD running RAID0. This way the bottleneck is the camera's onboard DSP/image processing.

I don't feel that camera makers are putting much focus on pure image transfer speed, as the current tech is IMO still stuck at being mildly inaccessible. For instance, battery consumption aside, imagine if a camera has WiFi 802.11ac on the same performance as the modem in an iPhone 7, give you a 400MB/s+ speed tethering wireless to a MBP in the back of any given outdoor shooting location. But it doesn't look like top of the priority list for them, and I feel similarly about how fast(slow) USB-C will get adopted and fully utilized on cameras.

 

[Guy Mancuso]

It depends really on what system you are using and if they support these C fast cards and XQD which for me are not supported by Sony and my cameras. I know bummer otherwise yea I would be all over them . And your right these camera company are really slow to adapt any type of wireless technology that is effective. Seriously this high end type of photography is very much a minority. It's all about iPhones now, sad to say.

But yes I'm stuck with SD cards. I did get the Lexar 2000!card today and my reads /writes are much much better to computer at around 225. I was lucky to get 80 with my old cards. So this does help

 

[Pardus]

This is just pretentious nonsense. It has nothing to do with jealousy, there are lots of people who can 'afford' the latest upgrade are instead opting for last years model because in 99% of the use cases it is the rational and sensible choice.
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Wow, even more pretentious BS. What the heck do you know about what I earn? Can you guys respond to anything without getting personal?

Sticking to the issue, the last point you made is exactly what I am referring to. The vast majority of MacBook Pro users are not going to be saving 20 mins a day transferring files to these new machines, so you are an extreme minority. The concerns however apply to a much larger base and are justified.

Sticking to the issue, I named the thread "Photographers perspective" for a reason, so I can have a discussion with other photographers and their workflows. Your perspective isn't relative, yet you continue to give it. This piece of work equipment means something different to us than it does to you. I call you broke cause every thread you are in you talk as though money is so prescious, its about value, sensible, buy used etc etc... Cost is not a top priority as i mentioned in the original post, I don't care about the money if it is going to be the better tool and I have decided it is.

Can you just bail out of the conversation and leave us pretentious ********ters to our own conversation.

I am fairly sure NT1440's question of why you are using SD card was referring to the fact that the current gen flagship DSLRs already use CFast or XQD, which have inherently faster speed and larger buffer than the best SD card available.

(In theory,) There is an even faster speed in studio situation if you shoot tethered, and using USB3+ wired connection from camera to computer where you have a motherboard capable of 2+ m.2 SSD running RAID0. This way the bottleneck is the camera's onboard DSP/image processing.

I don't feel that camera makers are putting much focus on pure image transfer speed, as the current tech is IMO still stuck at being mildly inaccessible. For instance, battery consumption aside, imagine if a camera has WiFi 802.11ac on the same performance as the modem in an iPhone 7, give you a 400MB/s+ speed tethering wireless to a MBP in the back of any given outdoor shooting location. But it doesn't look like top of the priority list for them, and I feel similarly about how fast(slow) USB-C will get adopted and fully utilized on cameras.

I get frustrated by the speed issues on Canons as well. My 5D mkiii just had a brutally slow USB 2 port but at least my 5DS R has a USB 3.0 - I shoot tethered to my MBP most of the time in the studio but also do a fair amount of video with my DSLRs and in that case am transferring. I have to use regular compact flash cards but hopefully next revision of the 5DS R will have Cfast. I think only the 1D X mkii uses cfast but that isn't the ideal body for the kind of work I do.

Apple gets a lot of flack for its attempt at processing technology i.e. the USB-C ports and it seems Canon is really slow to adapt and upset its base with change, the Canon forums would erupt from enthusiasts, which are the vast majority of their customer base, for having to upgrade all their standard compact flash cards.

I picked up a couple more EVO 1TB SSD drives last week and am looking at options for a multi-bay housing, Not sure if I will run raid or not but would be pretty sweet speed improvement. OWC has a nice 4 bay 2.5" but is only TB2, which would work for my current iMac I guess but hoping to upgrade that as well when the next update comes out. My 2014 loaded 5K is frequently maxing out the 32gb of ram and feeling tired already.

 

[motime]

Sticking to the issue, I named the thread "Photographers perspective" for a reason, so I can have a discussion with other photographers and their workflows. Your perspective isn't relative, yet you continue to give it. This piece of work equipment means something different to us than it does to you. I call you broke cause every thread you are in you talk as though money is so prescious, its about value, sensible, buy used etc etc... Cost is not a top priority as i mentioned in the original post, I don't care about the money if it is going to be the better tool and I have decided it is.

Can you just bail out of the conversation and leave us pretentious ********ters to our own conversation.

It is relevant, I don't know what kind of photographers you hang out with because in the real world, even for most photographers cost is still a consideration. If you bothered to venture out more or just bothered to keep up with the reaction, you would realize that photographers in general were the most disappointed lot with the latest update. You don't represent all photographers so I would stop pretending.

Continue having a discussion with an extreme minority of relevant photographers that are excited about the latest release, but quit the pretentious attitude and don't tell me where or where not to post.

 

[jackoatmon]

obviously the 2016 is way better

the screen has a higher gamut

that's literally all you need to know to definitively determine it's superior for photography

 

[Guy Mancuso]

No question the laptop screen is a wider RGB gamut. That's a huge difference as my NEC 27 inch is also a wide gamut monitor. Actually there are very few out there . Which leads me deciding about the new 5k LG. My NEC has a couple years on it. Would not mind having the LG and the extra ports.

 

[Pardus]

It is relevant, I don't know what kind of photographers you hang out with because in the real world, even for most photographers cost is still a consideration. If you bothered to venture out more or just bothered to keep up with the reaction, you would realize that photographers in general were the most disappointed lot with the latest update. You don't represent all photographers so I would stop pretending.

Continue having a discussion with an extreme minority of relevant photographers that are excited about the latest release, but quit the pretentious attitude and don't tell me where or where not to post.

So @motime bought his very first mac 35 days ago, a refurbished base model 2015 and is now an expert.

The photographers I hang out with are professional and earn a good living. If I was an amateur or enthusiast and had a passion for photography but it wasn't my source of income, cost/benifit probably would matter. I am not representing all photographers but I made it pretty clear I was a professional, I earn a good living at it and have a budget to upgrade an older secondary computer and started the conversation based on MY situation. The thing you have to remember about forums is that pessimists like you proliferate their views in every thread, the people that buy and like the product, are enjoying it and getting on with what they do, not ransacking forums preaching to everyone how great it is. A grain of salt...

No idea why any photographer would be disappointed with the 2016 model, better screen, faster drive, faster ports, better track pad and touch bar, smaller size, lighter, the only drawback is 16gb of ram but apple did that to increase battery performance and let me tell you, capping ram at 16gb is way less an issue than being on a remote shoot and your battery dies in your laptop. The 16gb isn't a problem, just need to change a few things in my workflow, like not work on 30 50mp files at once in photoshop which is totally unnecessary. If I ever have to use swap files, the ssd is so fast that you barely notice anyway.