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I’m not a photographer so my pictures will not come out anywhere near as good as these.

However I will be looking at the first reviews over the weekend and if I see some worthwhile improvements in the camera I will order the X max. If not then I’ll simply wait until my yearly upgrade in December.
 
To be honest,they look the same as iPhone 8 Plus photos and definitely same as iPhone X.
Another new iPhobe,another professional photographer trying their phone.

Nothing special really.
other top of the range phones can do the same.(Galaxy S9+ can easily produce same quality if not better),even 8+.

This results are not iPhone XS exclusive.
 
I don't understand why people are comparing the camera on a smartphone to a DSLR?

When was the last time you made a phone call on your DSLR......or sent a WhatsApp message......or replied to an email?

A DSLR is largely a single function device which it is always going to do better than a phone, they are not comparable.

My Canon 6D with 24-105mm F4 lens is about 5x bigger than my phone also, hardly something I could stick in my pocket every day.
 
Haters gonna hate it seems. Too many "experts" that "know" what they are talking about these days.

I think technology has improved to the point where the subtle improvements of newer generation devices over the older are just lost on the majority. Wider deeper sensors, smart HDR, faster neural engines... "meh" they say even if they can now take pretty good photos facing the sun on a phone.

It's more that some of these photos are just straight up bad. The fish one is super soft and pixelated and the beer can one shows some portrait mode issues (maybe thats the point?). Some of them are decent for sure, but overall as someone with some photography experience (andrewcgarrison.com gotta back up claims with some proof right? lol) I'm not super impressed. Definitely many photographers that could have shown this camera off in a better way. A lot of these just look overprocessed and lack detail.

I'm excited to see the low light improvements with the bigger sensor and just how much better portrait mode has gotten. I was super impressed with my X and I'm sure Ill be impressed again with the XS.
 
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Zoom in on the sunglasses and you’ll see the reflection is sharp. Scroll down and a second image with fall leaves are also in focus. I’m sorry but you are 100% wrong in regards to your comment about the reflection in the sunglasses. It would actually look stupid and very odd if it was blurred.
https://samuelbphotography.com/mens-portraits

EDIT: Some more examples https://willknight.smugmug.com/Mens-Gallery-Portraits/Sean-K/i-hzv9wdf

Look at this video:
https://depositphotos.com/150729412/stock-video-focusing-on-sunglasses-with-reflection.html

When the glasses are sharp the reflection of the water is blurred and vice versa...

There does seem to be a lot of different opinions on this subject, I’d be happy to learn more about the science behind convex reflections and focal lengths, everything I could find on google was a bit too focussed on the maths/equations...

Either way, doesn’t change the fact that the image looked immediately unnatural and low quality to me, I can only assume because the image processor is simply applying an artificial blur around the subject.

I don’t know why you think it would look stupid if the reflection in the glasses was not in focus... the glasses themselves would be in focus. If anything it would be less distracting...
 
I think he phoned it in on this one, no pun intended. Pretty sloppy work. Can't believe these are the first images we are seeing.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/petapixel/44740373791/in/album-72157699852263981/
WHAT IS THAT?! Its not even sharp.

Also this one is awful as well...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/petapixel/43831800405/in/album-72157699852263981/
How is that at such a low ISO yet it looks like he smeared Vaseline over the entire lens? Looks like some super aggressive noise reduction even though its a bright scene. Where'd the detail go?

Apple needs to hire some new photographers. I know its not a big deal but it honestly annoys me that this stuff was actually posted, did he even look at them before deciding to show the world what one of the biggest smartphones is capable of? Did Apple ok these? And whats the deal with some of them being just technically bad, some shots are seriously WAY too aggressive with the NR and look more like oil paintings than photos. I really hope this neural engine hype doesn't mean we are just going to get jelly coated images that lack any definition. Aggressive NR is the worst.
 
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Look at this video:
https://depositphotos.com/150729412/stock-video-focusing-on-sunglasses-with-reflection.html

When the glasses are sharp the reflection of the water is blurred and vice versa...

There does seem to be a lot of different opinions on this subject, I’d be happy to learn more about the science behind convex reflections and focal lengths, everything I could find on google was a bit too focussed on the maths/equations...

Either way, doesn’t change the fact that the image looked immediately unnatural and low quality to me, I can only assume because the image processor is simply applying an artificial blur around the subject.

I don’t know why you think it would look stupid if the reflection in the glasses was not in focus... the glasses themselves would be in focus. If anything it would be less distracting...
The reasons that the reflection in the glasses is blurred is 1. The focus point is on the near lens and probably shot at f1.4 or f1.8. And 2. It may have been done in post production to achieve that effect. Take another very close look at that video you linked to. The focus changes as the video plays. There are moments when everything is blurred, everything is in sharp focus and finally the near lens is sharp while the far lens and frame are blurred.

The focusing systems on today’s top end DSLR cameras measure the distance from the sensor to the subject. A reflection in glasses would still be measured the same way as it is technically the same distance as the frame.

I honestly know what I’m talking about here. If you see a photo where the frame or the face of a subject is in focus but the reflection is not, then that was done purposefully in post most likely.
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It's more that some of these photos are just straight up bad. The fish one is super soft and pixelated and the beer can one shows some portrait mode issues (maybe thats the point?). Some of them are decent for sure, but overall as someone with some photography experience (andrewcgarrison.com gotta back up claims with some proof right? lol) I'm not super impressed. Definitely many photographers that could have shown this camera off in a better way. A lot of these just look overprocessed and lack detail.

I'm excited to see the low light improvements with the bigger sensor and just how much better portrait mode has gotten. I was super impressed with my X and I'm sure Ill be impressed again with the XS.
It looks like the fish photo was shot under water hence the soft image. The fish are moving the water is swaying and I’m guessing focusing in these conditions are not easy for a smartphone camera. While it may not win any prizes it’s still a great shot.
 
The reasons that the reflection in the glasses is blurred is 1. The focus point is on the near lens and probably shot at f1.4 or f1.8. And 2. It may have been done in post production to achieve that effect. Take another very close look at that video you linked to. The focus changes as the video plays. There are moments when everything is blurred, everything is in sharp focus and finally the near lens is sharp while the far lens and frame are blurred.

The focusing systems on today’s top end DSLR cameras measure the distance from the sensor to the subject. A reflection in glasses would still be measured the same way as it is technically the same distance as the frame.

I honestly know what I’m talking about here. If you see a photo where the frame or the face of a subject is in focus but the reflection is not, then that was done purposefully in post most likely.
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It looks like the fish photo was shot under water hence the soft image. The fish are moving the water is swaying and I’m guessing focusing in these conditions are not easy for a smartphone camera. While it may not win any prizes it’s still a great shot.

Yeah I figured it out, but still a lot of these XS shots are soft from an insane amount of noise reduction. I'm obviously going to wait for a full comparison but it seems like there is either something wrong of I've never really zoomed in much on my X photos, because I'm honestly not impressed at all with what I'm seeing coming from the X. I guess I was just expecting more.

Edit: After really looking at my X shots I guess I really just didn't notice how strong Apple's NR is on recent phones. Kind of wish they'd give us an option to at least control it, but I remember hearing about it when they added a bunch with one of the updates (I think 5S to 6). The shots look good on a phone, but once you really start to look at them they get really mushy. Obviously sensor limited but I'd definitely choose more detail and noise over what they are doing. Guess I can always switch to a 3rd party app.
 
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Yeah I figured it out, but still a lot of these XS shots are soft from an insane amount of noise reduction. I'm obviously going to wait for a full comparison but it seems like there is either something wrong of I've never really zoomed in much on my X photos, because I'm honestly not impressed at all with what I'm seeing coming from the X. I guess I was just expecting more.

Edit: After really looking at my X shots I guess I really just didn't notice how strong Apple's NR is on recent phones. Kind of wish they'd give us an option to at least control it, but I remember hearing about it when they added a bunch with one of the updates (I think 5S to 6). The shots look good on a phone, but once you really start to look at them they get really mushy. Obviously sensor limited but I'd definitely choose more detail and noise over what they are doing. Guess I can always switch to a 3rd party app.
If you shoot RAW only I think you’ll get better results overall. You then just have to be willing to process each photo you want to keep. Also don’t underestimate a tripod or gimbal even with smartphone. You’ll get much better results especially in lower light conditions.

It is possible to print 8x10 or even a bit larger prints from an iPhone but you have to be willing to put in the work to make your photos look good. Also stop pixel peeping. It’s unnecessary. If a photo looks good a few inches away from your eye then you should be satisfied. Or a couple/few feet away if printed.

I think people get too hung up on pixels that they miss the overall beauty or drama or the point of a photo. The only time I zoom into pixels is when I’m compositing and need to get edges just right. If my photo looks good on my monitor from a couple feet away, I send it to the printer (of course once I’m done processing said photo:D).
 
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My iPhone X does the same awesome work.
If you are a talented person who knows how to take beautiful pictures, you don't need the newest iPhone Xs or Max.

And the portrait mode is great not only on the newest iPhones.
Using Focos App, I can adjust the bokeh much better than that "limited" function of Xs etc.
Apple lied to everybody at the event and the applause was huge.

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The Verge has uploaded it’s xs review covering image quality quite extensively for a general/mainstream review, worth checking out. Skip to 5:30 for camera stuff.

 
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My iPhone X does the same awesome work.
If you are a talented person who knows how to take beautiful pictures, you don't need the newest iPhone Xs or Max.

And the portrait mode is great not only on the newest iPhones.
Using Focos App, I can adjust the bokeh much better than that "limited" function of Xs etc.
Apple lied to everybody at the event and the applause was huge.
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Very nicely done!! Great photos!!
 
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It looks just on a par. I can see blur and noise. The bokeh doesn't work well.
bokeh is very bad - basically non-existent. Just a digitally blurred background looking very artificial on some of the photos. This gallery is rather subpar, on the other side I've seen a better gallery so let's wait for more samples. Low light photos are missing and are connected to a biggest question mark until seen.. This gallery is really not impressive by any means, on the others side (as clear from other comments), some people would call impressive anything they like, so this word has a different meaning for many (I understand too that this is not a photographic web, though Apple is presenting results as something special, so it has to have some level of quality to be called impressive). So far I don't see literally any improvement comparing to the previous years' photos.
 
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I agree that HDR, dual lens optical zoom, filters are are all great as part of the normal camera and raw format would be great too!

My problem is with features that actually meddle with the image data in a way that has nothing to do with the light received by the sensor and is basically just drawing new information on top of the picture producing the low quality results that we’ve seen.
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The portrait/bokeh effect is a joke. Please look at the photo of the yellow can and look at the top of the can. https://www.flickr.com/photos/petapixel/43831801325/in/album-72157699852263981/

All this bokeh effect is doing is detecting people/objects, cutting around them and artificially blurring the background with generally poor results.

Ask yourself why the new XR with a single lens camera still has this bokeh feature when it isnt able to produce proper depth maps like the dual camera models are capable of. It’s because the bokeh effect really isnt using a proper depth map to detect objects.


Also look at the photo with the man wearing sunglasses. https://www.flickr.com/photos/petapixel/44691193082/in/album-72157699852263981/

The reflected image in his sunglasses should be blurred but it’s sharp even though the reflected objects are at distance, as the image processor has simply masked the whole man and blurred the rest.

This effect does a diservice to the legacy of great photography on iphones. Iphones were always a great introduction to the workd of photography for young people or first timers. Now it’s just teaching people not to have respect or understanding for the basic principles of photography and instead leading them towards cheap, lazy gimmicks.

I'm not an expert, but I don't think that the image in the sunglassess should be blurred... if he had a picture on his t-shirt then the person on that picture should be sharp but the background on that picture blurred?
 
I’m pretty sure that 2017 Google’s flagman is outclassing Xs by big margin. But let’s wait for the full reviews.

I cannot wait for head to head reviews with the Pixel 2 or better yet, the Pixel 3 due next month. So far the sample photos don't impress me much and don't appear to "beat" the Pixel 2.

I was dead set on buying my GF an Xr but if the photos aren't class leading my a big margin I'll just pick up a Pixel 2 or Pixel 3 XL for her.
 
And now, all the self proclaimed professionals will look at the compressed pictures in here and scream: ,, this is a good quality picture!?! I can take a better picture with Polaroid”
 
I'm not an expert, but I don't think that the image in the sunglassess should be blurred... if he had a picture on his t-shirt then the person on that picture should be sharp but the background on that picture blurred?

Your example is not the same thing, we’re talking about the focus of reflected objects not flat images eg on a tshirt.

Objects reflected in a mirrored surface behave as if they were actually the additional virtual distance away that they appear to be. Eg, If you placed an object next to a mirror a few metres away from you and focussed on the object, your reflection would be out of focus while the object would be sharp, and if you focussed instead on your reflected image, the object would be out of focus. The fact that the object and mirror are the same distance from you is irrelevant. In this photo the sunglasses are the mirror and the face is the object.

However, after doing a bit more research I’ve learned that concave/convex mirrored surfaces alter the focal length compared to flat mirrors which is why reflections in sunglasses usually still appear in focus whereas reflections in a flat mirror held next to a subjects face would not be in focus.

Regardless the photo itself looks really wrong to me and the blur looks really artificial. While we wait for more in depth photo analysis, Wired has uploaded their video review and there are some comparisons between actual bokeh and this digital effect, where you start to realise how artificial and bad it really looks.

Skip to 4:30 for camera stuff as the actual review is garbage.

 
An iPhone X/ 8 Plus will give you the same exact results.

There is nothing special going on here. It literally is all in the lighting. There is a reason why Mann goes to all these “ exotic “ places to take breathtaking photos. The Beauty in the scenery adds into the “ wow factor “ heavily.

Apple is just trying to get everyone to buy their new devices. They will do so by anytime means. Including sending someone halfway around the world to take pictures of turtles.

My iPhone X has some Preety amazing photos that go toe to toe with these and I took them in my back yard last October.

I am not impressed. Apple needs to get innovative and come with some fire. There is virtually no difference with these phones except for the big one which for close to $2,000 shipped @ 512GB, is NOT worth it.

I’ll wait till next year. If not then hello Pixel 4.
 
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I’ll wait till next year. If not then hello Pixel 4.
Same here. I was keen on the Max.

There's no way I'm paying three times the price of a Pixel 2 for a phone that doesn't have the best camera.

Hopefully in 12 months phone manufacturers will increase sensor size too. We've been stuck at 12 Megapixels for a while.

Apple's "computational photography" engineers need to work harder.
 
But we aren't talking about a mirror. We are talking about a super small area of focus on someone's face.

The sunglasses themselves are reflecting the light, like a mirror. As an example: If you have nearsightedness , you can't use reflection to cheat your vision to seeing something farther away, that's just not how things work. However there are a few ways this image can go in terms of giving off shallow depth of field (needed for bokeh). Realistically
I'm not an expert, but I don't think that the image in the sunglassess should be blurred... if he had a picture on his t-shirt then the person on that picture should be sharp but the background on that picture blurred?

It depends on the focal length of the camera, which on the iPhone is fairly wide so it would be harder to achieve bokeh naturally hence why Apple artificially adds it with Portrait mode and various apps that have been doing it for 8 or so years now. I think you are confusing things a bit though regarding the t-shirt. It's a fixed distance from the lens at all time so no there shouldn't be blur on a portion of his t-shirt just because it has 'background'. However the sunglasses, in real world effect as I'll demonstrate and explain with some links below, in certain aspects could show the background blurred depending on how the photo was taken. Objects in the reflection are at distance because they're real world and that's how light works. What you're referring to would be like saying you're nearsighted but if you use a mirror you can see things far away clear, which isn't the case at all.

In this picture: https://www.flickr.com/gp/72313243@N05/Q50t3Q if I focus on the objects in the reflection, the background beyond the sunglasses is highly blurred, the sunglasses themselves are less sharp but you can still see them fairly clear, and the objects closeer in the reflection are fairly sharp (rough quick picture I just took) and the farther away objects are the less clear they get. For reference the corner was about 15 feet behind me and the buildings were about 100 feet, sunglasses were 3 feet away, and background trees were about 150 feet away.

Changing to this picture :https://www.flickr.com/gp/72313243@N05/8074H4 where the focus is on the sunglasses themselves, nothing else changing, the objects in the reflection are significantly less clear. It's a definite matter of physics. These were shot with a DSLR camera with a 50mm at f1.8 for both photos which is a definite difference to the iPhone but this was just to be able to give a real world offering to what the iPhone and Apple are trying to mimic.

For one more case, look this picture of a truck: https://www.flickr.com/gp/72313243@N05/o17jJ7. Notice that the truck is the subject and focus (like the guy in the photo) and it's shiny surface does not reflect a clear image of what's surrounding the area and the background of the shot is out of focus as well. This is how light works. Now I'm not arguing that the reflection in the guys sunglasses can't be clear as you can actually get this to occur real world with a DSLR, but it's just too clear and adds to the artificial look in my opinion because there's no fall off, it's a straight capture of what the iPhone always sees with it's focal length (which keeps a huge range of depth in focus). It would be extremely hard to produce an algorithm to add that little bit of extra realism to the photo of course so not something I'm upset about, just something I easily can pick out on if I was told this was supposed to be a natural looking photo.
 
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