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Doesn’t Austin Mann rave about every iPhone camera that comes down the pike? Is he a part of Apple marketing?

i think yes, his 11 Pro night mode photo from china was even on the keynote i believe
 
So the advantages of the Pro Max are:
- screen size
- bigger battery
- better camera

The disadvantages are:
- Heavier and more unwieldy

I think I could live with the smaller screen size of the Pro, and now it’s looking like the cameras are fairly similar too...so that just leaves battery life as a major factor, which admittedly is a big deal to me. Dilemmas...
The battery life problem is easily solved by.... having a charger.
 
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In the Blade Runner universe cameras have depth sensors and lidar that can even capture data around corners. Deckard is able to use voice commands to navigate around a whole apartment from a single photo.

That would be possible with path tracing and enough compute power, possibly cloud based, but there would be a lot of privacy concerns too.

The same could be said about a technology capable of recording even the smallest vibrations in the air and walls. It would mean even whisper quiet conversations in another room could be extrapolated with an algorithm. Remedial and preventive action needed yo.
 
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I went for Pro Max because I'm older and eyesight not so good, no good having a small screen if you can't blinking see anything, so there is no right or wrong in my opinion re size, its all down to personal circumstances, so forget about size and concentrate on the important stuff. I have heard about people with big hands making things looks smaller and vice versa, so probably same with phones, it's not what it feels like it's what it can do.
 
I guess I’ve used larger sensor cameras too long. That first astrophotography looks heavily processed with heavy noise reduction and a tremendous loss of stars. Still, it’s a better phone camera than before.
Same thought here, though it's a bit hard to judge based off of the scaled down and compressed images on his site. I would be very curious to see some RAW files of night images so we can see what's what.

It's quite mind-blowing what they're able to wring out of these tiny sensors and tiny lenses now, but I don't think anybody who's actually serious about night photography (and particuarly astrophotography) is going to abandon their DSLRs or full-frame mirrorless cameras anytime soon.
 
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Very pleased I decided not to upgrade my iPhone 11 Pro. I almost pre-ordered the 12 Pro Max because it looked like the camera hardware compared to 12 Pro was significant but IRL testing confirms it’s not a big difference. I am firmly against Max and XL sized phones so I was really pissed when Apple decided to make the Max size more spec’d out then non Max.
 
I’d love it if they just had three phone sizes, and then Pro and non-Pro models of each. The Pro series all have identical high end “pro” features, they’re just different sizes. The regular series is more basic and less expensive, but still the same three sizes. Six models total. Make the small ones a bit thicker to accommodate more battery size, and that’s it.

Can you tell I want a Mini Pro that isn’t a downgrade in camera?
Same here! I'm happy we didn't get stuck with another SE, but unless space is prohibitive I'd like the option of having pro camera on a small phone.
 
I have been pretty surprised today with the reviews coming out and how minimal of a gain the camera appears to be going from Pro > Pro Max. I fully expected the larger sensor and the sensor level stabilization to have more than a few minor specific situational improvements.
 
Based on everything that I have read/watched the iPhone 12 Pro Max is just marginal better than iPhone 12 Pro. If you have bigger hands & bigger pockets go for it.
 
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As a photographer, the larger pixels and extra image stabilization on the 12 pro max are doing exactly what they’re meant to do: offer extra performance in low light situations. I’m not sure what people were expecting beyond that, when the base camera operations are already best in class.

For me, the cameras could have been exactly the same as on the regular 12 pro and I’m still buying the pro max. You still get the larger screen size and extra battery life compared to smaller models.
 
Sucks I passed on the 12 Pro for the Max thinking the camera difference would be greater. Now the 12 Pro is sold out and I have a Max coming when I really wanted to go smaller this time. Grrrrr!!!!
 
Did we get this much chatter about the size of the iPhone 11 Pro Max when that came out? They're pretty much the same:
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I mean, we're talking 2.8mm taller, 0.3mm wider, 0.7mm thinner and ever-so-slightly lighter. Comparisons between the 12 Pro and the 12 Pro Max are valid, but those claiming this is the biggest phone that's ever been made is a little much.
 
I won't tell you not to believe your eyes if you think photos look similar, and as always with photography your mileage may vary. I opted for the 12 Pro myself, but the difference between the 6s and the 12-regular is not what I'd characterize "not a substantial upgrade".

I didn't have a 6s, but can say with a great deal of confidence that the difference between a 7 and the current generation is quite substantial. My wife was using a 7 at the same time as I was using an X, and even leaving aside the multi-camera benefits I could easily tell the difference between her photos and mine at a glance.

The difference between an X and 11 Pro (again, leaving aside multi-camera benefits) was noticeable but much less dramatic, and the difference between an 11 Pro and 12 Pro is minor--mostly challenging-light edge cases.

If you had an 11, XS, or maybe even an X, I might agree that the 12-regular wouldn't be a big step up, but coming from a 6s the quality improvement of any of the last two or three generations of iPhone should be immediately noticeable and I would argue pretty substantial.

Basically, over the years iPhone cameras have been on a gradual asymptote toward the hypothetical ideal camera, and while the last few models are definitely up in the flatter part of the curve, the 6s was still somewhere on the knee.
Sorry, I needed to clarify, I am talking when you are shooting raw on the iPhone, as I do. I did test last year my 6s next to a 11 Pro Max, side by side, taking DNG photos from Lightroom on both and messing them up, and I couldn't see any big difference between the two, especially in low light. What really makes a difference between them two is when you re shooting form the camera app with the standard Jpeg/HEIF format with that magic computational photography sauce that Apple has added on their newer devices being applied. But since that wasn't applied on the raw photos then the results where kinda close. This year with AppleProRaw, things change, as that special sauce get applied on a raw format, creating all new possibilities and how much you can push your photos. It's a great year for an update.
 
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Sucks I passed on the 12 Pro for the Max thinking the camera difference would be greater. Now the 12 Pro is sold out and I have a Max coming when I really wanted to go smaller this time. Grrrrr!!!!
Is photography that huge for you? As photos will still be better than the 12 pro but given the 12 pro has improved cameras on the 11 there's only so much higher you can go year to year

The differences will still be better low light, better night mode a d faster shutter speed which will cut down the blurry photos
 
Something doesn't make sense.

Just looked into Apple's Oct 13th Press Release, & it clearly says it's the Wide in the 12 Pro Max that got the sensor increase (to 1.7 um pixels), & that it's 47% bigger.

But, that would imply the status quo with ALL other Flagship iPhones is ONLY 1.2 um (specifically, 1.16 um) !

I believe many of us (who looked into it in the past) thought it was 1.4 um, same as Google !

And here I'm naturally referring to the pixel size.
They are comparing the pixel area.
1.4 x 1.4 µm is 1.96 µm²
1.7 x 1.7 µm is 2.89 µm²
so it's a 47% increase
 
These types of images sell phones, but the vast majority of people will take pictures of food and selfies (nothing wrong with that)... buying this phone won't turn you into a professional photographer though.
 
Is there anywhere to see the full photos from both cameras? For example, the dog image has two crops, but only one full-size image (I assume the 12 Pro Max shot). I'd like to see what the other full-sized shots looked like.
 
Guess I should've waited to order the Max until after the reviews. Don't really like the size, but I do like having the best camera on me at all times. Don't think the optical zoom alone would have been enough to sway me. Perhaps if it was 3X or 4X instead on the tele instead of 2.5X. Oh well, too late now. Guess if I hate it I can exchange it for the smaller Pro.
 
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I ordered the Max Pro, but after reading Mann's review, I might go back to the Pro. I had an 11 Pro and that's the size that feels most comfortable, but I ordered the Max purely for the camera improvements. I do a lot of photography and have switched almost entirely to iPhonography (my Fuji X-T3 + 10 lenses are collecting dust). If the Max improvements aren't that significant, and if the Max feels too big in my pocket and in other situations (and I can't shoot with it one-handed), I'll probably return it and get the Pro.
 
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