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Is photography that huge for you? As photos will still be better than the 12 pro but given the 12 pro has improved cameras on the 11 there's only so much higher you can go year to year

The differences will still be better low light, better night mode a d faster shutter speed which will cut down the blurry photos

Yes, photos are that important to me, I have a photography business.
 
Guess I should've waited to order the Max until after the reviews. Don't really like the size, but I do like having the best camera on me at all times. Don't think the optical zoom alone would have been enough to sway me. Perhaps if it was 3X or 4X instead on the tele instead of 2.5X. Oh well, too late now. Guess if I hate it I can exchange it for the smaller Pro.

Same here, but doubt that exchange will be possible. You won’t find a 12 Pro within the return period of the Max. You’ll have to return it and buy a Pro with they are available. Shipping times for them is well into Dec right now.
 
Doesn’t Austin Mann rave about every iPhone camera that comes down the pike? Is he a part of Apple marketing?

So.. is your point that because he's come to the conclusion that they are good, that he's wrong? Is it possible he is correct? Given the amount of money Apple has, and they amount of engineering time spent on their most important product, couldn't they all just be good phones? There really isn't any need for baseless conspiracy theories. This kind of crass suspicion is rather dull.
 
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As a photographer, the larger pixels and extra image stabilization on the 12 pro max are doing exactly what they’re meant to do: offer extra performance in low light situations. I’m not sure what people were expecting beyond that, when the base camera operations are already best in class.

For me, the cameras could have been exactly the same as on the regular 12 pro and I’m still buying the pro max. You still get the larger screen size and extra battery life compared to smaller models.
Couldn't agree more. Alas this is the way of the armchair expert: pretend the impossible was promised, then berate those who fail to deliver that impossible prediction.

No one said the max would be a massive difference in all conditions. Those extra features help with low light, and the examples show that to be the case.
 
To me this is a weird strategy. I hate such a huge size. Why not make the same camera available for iPhone 12 Pro? Why carry such a huge phone if you hate the size?
 
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I would really like to see an optional higher quality mode for video. There are compression artifacts all over the place whenever you have thing like leaves in scenes.
 
To me this is a weird strategy. I hate such a huge size. Why not make the same camera available for iPhone 12 Pro? Why carry such a huge phone if you hate the size?

Lack of space for the hardware, plain and simple. Larger imager and stabilizer array takes up more space, requires a larger phone.
 
I guess I’ve used larger sensor cameras too long. That first astrophotography looks heavily processed with heavy noise reduction and a tremendous loss of stars. Still, it’s a better phone camera than before.
Yeah exactly, people are massively overstating the low light capabilities of these things. Sure, it's impressive for a phone, with it's tiny sensor and lenses, but but but... why would you even. And sure, the best camera is the one you have on you, but get a real camera people!
 
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Yeah exactly, people are massively overstating the low light capabilities of these things. Sure, it's impressive for a phone, with it's tiny sensor and lenses, but but but... why would you even. And sure, the best camera is the one you have on you, but get a real camera people!
I've got one and a bunch of lenses, but I hardly ever use it anymore. Was just in Zion myself, and much preferred carrying my iPhone 11 Pro around on hikes than my Fuji X-T3 plus 3 lenses (or even one). When we were canyoneering, hiking, and horseback riding I could take photos with one hand with my iPhone, and then put it back in my pocket. And the quality of the images after processing with Lightroom, Afterlight, etc. is pretty great. Most people I showed them too were shocked that they were taken by an iPhone.

That said, I'm not doing full-on astrophotography or anything like that.
 
I’d love it if they just had three phone sizes, and then Pro and non-Pro models of each. The Pro series all have identical high end “pro” features, they’re just different sizes. The regular series is more basic and less expensive, but still the same three sizes. Six models total. Make the small ones a bit thicker to accommodate more battery size, and that’s it.

Can you tell I want a Mini Pro that isn’t a downgrade in camera?
Yes exactly! I think Apple missed a beat by not putting out a Mini Pro. I think it would especially have a huge market amongst women. Cute, but fully spec'd, and the best colours.

And same for the laptops. Both Air and Pro in 12", 14", and 16". All with full range of choices of RAM and SSD sizes (they are all physically the same size, so that's not a limitation).

I'm down for a 16" Air. Want the bigger screen, but don't need hardcore CPU or graphics processing. Also need medium RAM, and large SSD.
 
If this guy is a pro, I don't understand how he expected "iPhone 12 Pro Max to notably outperform the iPhone 12 Pro." The larger sensor and sensor stabilizer is pretty much useful in lower light situations so what more did he expect? You're not going to see much improvements in decent to good lighting.
 
Some serious problems with the sample images from Mann, a lot of them look terrible despite the breathtaking subjects...but I see the same on about half the 12 Pro review images too so I can't blame him.

It's a combo of over saturation that looks like a digital rendered cartoon, and crushed digital compression in details. Some of these look bad. Like, not usable, they goofed kind of bad. How are people not seeing this!?

Pushing it with software I get, but the image still has to be natural. With a wider sensor in the Max, why aren't we seeing a difference? It's not a DSLR, but the sensor capabilities beat older cameras, and we should expect at least that quality. The software should also be throwing out information instead of trying to invent information, if this is the result.

Also even older iPhones took pretty natural photos in the right circumstances...these phones should improve by offering a wider range of forgiveness and circumstances where we get that quality. Instead it looks like pumped up AI details even in basic photos of people in daylight. Some look normal, some look like they were facetuned.

I really need a new phone for the camera, but this isn't right, and that's without even trying to decide between the max or pro.
 
The larger sensor and sensor stabilizer is pretty much useful in lower light situations so what more did he expect?

That shouldn't be true. More information should display...more information. Professional cameras aren't favoring larger sensors just for the low light, it's the amount of info and color processing, and everything in every photo taken.
 
Did our parents and grand parents care about camera so much or just capturing the memory? Apple and other smart phone makers have turned us into Steve Urkles. iPhone narcissism is what I call it.
Being a little grey around the edges I have a lot of old 35mm photographs and while it's nice to have them, the quality is horrible. How much nicer would it be if they were clear. I also compared some pics taken with my 4S with my new 12 Pro and the increase in quality is dramatic. The 4S look pics a little better than our old 35mm snapshots but not by much. I love it the technology advances - good stuff!
 
That shouldn't be true. More information should display...more information. Professional cameras aren't favoring larger sensors just for the low light, it's the amount of info and color processing, and everything in every photo taken.
Unless you’re into pixel peeping, most may not even notice the difference between photos taken outdoors in good lighting from a m4/3 and a full sensor cameras except for depth of field.
 
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