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All of his photo examples are horrible.
Some serious problems with the sample images from Mann, a lot of them look terrible despite the breathtaking subjects...but I see the same on about half the 12 Pro review images too so I can't blame him.

It's a combo of over saturation that looks like a digital rendered cartoon, and crushed digital compression in details. Some of these look bad. Like, not usable, they goofed kind of bad. How are people not seeing this!?

Pushing it with software I get, but the image still has to be natural. With a wider sensor in the Max, why aren't we seeing a difference? It's not a DSLR, but the sensor capabilities beat older cameras, and we should expect at least that quality. The software should also be throwing out information instead of trying to invent information, if this is the result.

Also even older iPhones took pretty natural photos in the right circumstances...these phones should improve by offering a wider range of forgiveness and circumstances where we get that quality. Instead it looks like pumped up AI details even in basic photos of people in daylight. Some look normal, some look like they were facetuned.

I really need a new phone for the camera, but this isn't right, and that's without even trying to decide between the max or pro.
Not sure I could disagree more tbh. Saying they look "terrible" is borderline insane. Each to their own I guess.
 
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Well, so far they have been offered good advances in camera capability with every generation. I think that nearly everyone agrees on that.
 
Did we get this much chatter about the size of the iPhone 11 Pro Max when that came out? They're pretty much the same:View attachment 1599966
I mean, we're talking 2.8mm taller, 0.3mm wider, 0.7mm thinner and ever-so-slightly lighter. Comparisons between the 12 Pro and the 12 Pro Max are valid, but those claiming this is the biggest phone that's ever been made is a little much.
Yep almost the exact same size of my 7 Plus that I have been using for 4 years.
  • Height: 6.23 inches (158.2 mm)
  • Width: 3.07 inches (77.9 mm)
  • Depth: 0.29 inch (7.3 mm)
  • Weight: 6.63 ounces (188 grams)
 
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So the advantages of the Pro Max are:
- screen size
- bigger battery
- better camera

The disadvantages are:
- Heavier and more unwieldy

I think I could live with the smaller screen size of the Pro, and now it’s looking like the cameras are fairly similar too...so that just leaves battery life as a major factor, which admittedly is a big deal to me. Dilemmas...
Coming from an 11 pro max to a 12 pro, the battery life difference is dramatic, if that is important to you, you’re going to be disappointed, screen size is fine though. I ordered the max and will return the pro, no way I can manage with that much of a battery hit.
 
Y’all returning Pro’s for the Max should be wearing a dunce cap. You knew the smaller version can’t come close to battery life using a mini tablet.
 
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Once again, another reviewer commenting on the "massive size" of the Pro Max, yet it's virtually the same size as the Plus iPhones - only 2.4mm longer
I feel like it might feel bigger because of the hard edges vs slightly round.
 
The photos are good. Not earth-shattering better, as expected. But if the level of the bar is exclusively mobile - I'd say it is one of the best.
At this stage of technology, all the current iPhones take great photos for viewing on small screens. Any difference made by a larger tiny sensor are not going to be noticed easily. The average time a person views a photo on small screens is too short to matter anyway.
IMO, the mobile phone camera is perfect to capture memories/moments in time. But I wouldn't use it as a primary tool for artistic purposes.
 
The photos are good. Not earth-shattering better, as expected. But if the level of the bar is exclusively mobile - I'd say it is one of the best.
At this stage of technology, all the current iPhones take great photos for viewing on small screens. Any difference made by a larger tiny sensor are not going to be noticed easily. The average time a person views a photo on small screens is too short to matter anyway.
IMO, the mobile phone camera is perfect to capture memories/moments in time. But I wouldn't use it as a primary tool for artistic purposes.
This.
The photos are okay on a phone screen, but if you look at the website on a Macbook screen, all the photos look heavily processed.
But it seems like it's becoming the norm ...
 
I feel a software update coming. Apple just doesn’t seem to be getting the most out of the new cameras in the Max.
No. What people don’t understand is there are no giant breakthroughs left in tiny lenses. Sure they will get better and keep getting better but the hype of a slightly bigger sensor (still TINY) and sensor shift stabilization (small improvement) was somehow going to be this huge shift... now we see the truth, it’s a difference on less than 5% of typical shots and then only if you “pixel peep” and zoom in. The real truth hard as it is to say is the iPhone 12 / 12 Pro / 12 Pro Max cameras all produce near identical results because the underlying hardware is nearly identical. Software won’t fix the laws of physics.
 
Doesn’t Austin Mann rave about every iPhone camera that comes down the pike? Is he a part of Apple marketing?
Would someone from Apple marketing say these things?

All in all, Mann said that while he came into the review expecting the ‌iPhone 12 Pro‌ Max to notably outperform the ‌iPhone 12 Pro‌, the differences between the two were limited to "very specific scenes." He enjoyed the extra telephoto length of the ‌iPhone 12 Pro‌ Max and the low light capabilities, but he wasn't a fan of the massive size that made it hard to operate as a single-handed camera.
 
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Do you have actual substantive criticism about the photos he tried or the conclusions he drew?
The photos have a really great composition, the photographer is talented, no doubt with that, but the quality of the camera is greatly exaggerated. Every single photo is over processed by the iPhone to look not that bad on a little screen, that's all. If you look at the photos (from a picture quality standpoint) on a computer screen they look garbage. But I'm sure they make great memories from the trip.

Trust me, I would be happy to buy a a few iPhones to replace my cameras and gears.
 
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If you look at the photos (from a picture quality standpoint) on a computer screen they look garbage. But I'm sure they make great memories from the trip.
I agree for some. The astrophotography one really doesn't scale well to the desktop.

The first two canyon shots and the fire and plant ones, though? I can barely see how bigger gear would've done better (for the second canyon one, the dynamic range where the sun hits the rocks is poor, but that's about it).
Trust me, I would be happy to buy a a few iPhones to replace my cameras and gears.
Well, there will always be use cases for bigger gear. Unfortunately, camera vendors don't seem to be putting the same amount of effort into improving their software (and, for some components like a gyroscope, hardware) as phone manufacturers are.
 
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I agree for some. The astrophotography one really doesn't scale well to the desktop.

The first two canyon shots and the fire and plant ones, though? I can barely see how bigger gear would've done better (for the second canyon one, the dynamic range where the sun hits the rocks is poor, but that's about it).

Well, there will always be use cases for bigger gear. Unfortunately, camera vendors don't seem to be putting the same amount of effort into improving their software (and, for some components like a gyroscope, hardware) as phone manufacturers are.
I've tested this year iPhones and it's always the foliage, herbs or trees that betray a mobile camera. I guess there is too much details to process, you can actually see it in his review.

But you are right, perhaps camera makers are not focused on the same aspect of photography, probably at their loss.
 
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