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I can kinda of see the point of three types of notebooks. Air = Portability, MBP = All the whistles + power, and a machine that doesnt have all the extra plugs and glugs.
 
Honestly, I was expecting a redesign, but given that the aluminium unibody notebooks are simply excellent, I don't see why Apple would bring us a redesign.

But nonetheless, I expected the optical drive to magically disappear as if it never existed. Looks like the magic is set for next year.

The point isn't that the design now is amazing (which I agree). It's the fact that theses laptops have had the same design for 4 years. Change is what the people need
 
Yeh Apple will bore us to death by trying to explain how adding USB 3.0 will make the thick & ugly MacBook Pros the 'leading edge' of Notebook computers!

Is true. Currently big clunk macbook must be redesign to make competitive. Is only way.

The notebook do not compete with ipad in design, that is strange. They must be made of same nice design. Macbook thin and nice like ipad.
 
The point isn't that the design now is amazing (which I agree). It's the fact that theses laptops have had the same design for 4 years. Change is what the people need

The thing is the first revision of a new design tends to have some problems, so for Pro users infrequent redesigns is a good thing. Sticking with what works and making some evolutionary improvements is what's good for Pro users.
 
I was hoping for more of a technical answer but I forgot to factor this part of the equation.

Uhmmm... straight from the new After Effects tech specs:

"* Adobe® After Effects® CS6 renders ray-traced 3D images using your computer’s CPU, employing all of its physical cores. Additionally, it may also take advantage of NVIDIA OptiX™ for highly accelerated rendering (requires a supported NVIDIA GPU and with 1024+ MB of texture memory)."
 
The thing is the first revision of a new design tends to have some problems, so for Pro users infrequent redesigns is a good thing. Sticking with what works and making some evolutionary improvements is what's good for Pro users.

I just googled reviews for it from october 2008 and I didn't see anything bad about the first generation unibody MBP but I'm fairly knew to Apple too so I easily could have missed things posted on here back when it first came out . I know that they switched from the user-replaceable batteries in the following update so battery life improved but were there any major issues with the 1st generation unibody MBP's?


Britta's the worst haha :D
 
I think what's going on is that Apple is keeping another iteration of the MBP so as not to upset those people that really need a larger thermal headroom (and therefore higher performance), as well as legacy things like DVD drive and FireWire.

The "new" line will be the rumored Retina 15" MacBook, not an Air. It will use standard mobile class processors, but won't have a wide array of ports, or ultra-high performance CPU or GPU options. Having only one screen size isn't that different from when Apple first introduced the MBP (or unibody MBP?). I believe the first one was 15".

However, I'd also wager that Apple may offer a BTO Retina display option in the Pros, but it will be very pricey.
 
I think still there is a possibility for a redesign. Rumours said the new design will have the same outer design but in a thinner form factor (not a wedge shaped design like Air). If they remove the optiocal drive, ethernet, and firewire there is still a possibility to get the same MACBOOK pro unibody design in a thinner formfactor.

Also in such a case, logic board screw positions will remain the same.

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Speed bumps for MBPs, upgrade plus retina for MBAs, and new thin "MacBook" 15 inch with retina and no optical drive, and another new 13 inch "MacBook" in a month or so. The MBP will be kept around for a bit, and then discontinued. That is why there will be no change in design and no retina for MBP.
 
innovation = product development (figuring out how to make the best better)
advertisement = making you think that the current design is good enough to buy

Marketing = making an irrelevant, superficial change to make a product "new"
so that people will think it is good enough to buy.

Not only is Apple's aluminum body able to be machined from a single billet, providing excellent rigidity, it is the best of heat conductors, which is the opposite of carbon fiber. Until "liquid metal" matures to be scalable for the unibody, aluminum is an excellent and (importantly) perfectly recyclable material. Carbon Fiber is not. While it can be recycled, it is more complex, and doing so downgrades the fibers (shortens) and greatly limits their future use, so they are not fully recyclable, and carbon fiber normally involves the use of volatile resins.
 
I think still there is a possibility for a redesign. Rumours said the new design will have the same outer design but in a thinner form factor (not a wedge shaped design like Air). If they remove the optiocal drive, ethernet, and firewire there is still a possibility to get the same MACBOOK pro unibody design in a thinner formfactor.

Also in such a case, logic board screw positions will remain the same.

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Screw positions wouldn't remain the same around where the ODD would be though.
 
I think still there is a possibility for a redesign. Rumours said the new design will have the same outer design but in a thinner form factor (not a wedge shaped design like Air). If they remove the optiocal drive, ethernet, and firewire there is still a possibility to get the same MACBOOK pro unibody design in a thinner formfactor.

Also in such a case, logic board screw positions will remain the same.

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Not likely;

If you look at the PCBs in question, they are of the same shape with the same cutouts for the fan assemblies. If the cases are exactly the same shape other than being thinner, that means the fans will need to remain the same shape in two dimensions, and shrink to a much smaller depth. Taking that into account and the conduction pipes for the heatsink, you see that is a highly unlikely design; unless they are somehow using a much more efficient thermal conductor for the assembly; or if they have reduced the TDP.

We know that they are likely to include options for CPU (Intel xxxx QM) + I/O chipset that have the same total TDP. So the whole thing becomes unlikely to say the least. And the vents on the back side would also see a dramatic reduction in cross section. In other words, there needs to be some redesign of the logic board as well as the cooling system to hit the thermal design point; unless they are using some novel cooling methods (liquid, laminar flow, etc), or have lower aggregate TDP to contend with.

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I used FW and optical drive today. I used Ethernet cable on Friday at work. In all three cases I used them in ways for which there is no alternative. At my 1000+ person workplace (DoD) there are no plans to transition to wifi, and we are not allowed to use thumb drives - external sharing of large files is strictly by optical media or via the cloud. Not saying that we are the rule, but there are tens of thousands of users for whom omission of ethernet or optical would be absolute deal-breakers.

While I'm sure your work is important; it's hardly typical.

If there are "tens of thousands" as you say, that would amount to less than 0.1% of all Mac users, not a significant user base to consider.
 
Apple now cares a lot about enterprise customer and government who def need optical and Ethernet while careless about retina. My company orders thousands of mbp every month (100k) employees
 
YES! what GREAT news to wake up to! Apple would never release 6 new mb pros of the same design- this means imac is more likely than 9to5´s predictions.
 
WTF? Based on what? I freelance and work onsite doing motion graphics for a myriad of clients and use all 3 features daily. Most clients have a locked down wireless network that is too slow to dump 200 GBs of video files and firewire drives are still HUGE. I use my optical drive a lot less but I'm getting the impression there aren't so many pro users chiming in.

As I said, there are some organizations that are stuck on decades old technology and infrastructure. But it's not the rest of the IT industry's job to cater to a few organizations' obstinance, and refusal to adopt new technology. Ethernet was designed at a time when mini-computers were considered miniaturized platforms, and micro-computers (desktops) were only drawings on blueprints. 802.11n is perfectly secure and perfectly capable of getting 600 Mbit/s, and new standards are arriving (such as ac) to leave Gbit ethernet in the dust. DVD ROMs are being phased out by Blueray and streaming. Firewire drives can easily run with an adaptor to TB or USB3; there is literally no reason for any of these outdated techs to exist any longer.
 
Schedule-wise, it doesn't make the best sense to redesign the model for Ivy Bridge, which is just a minor tweak to the existing Sandy Bridge. Haswell is supposed to bring thinner designs and Apple doesn't want to redesign the MBP twice in two years, why not wait until Haswell is released for the redesign?

I know Haswell will bring down the power consumption further, but not dramatically compared to Ivy Bridge. So unless there is something else that Haswell brings that enables a thinner design, I think Apple is able to go for a thinner design already now.
 
Honestly, how thin do you need a professional laptop to be? Do you really want to compromise pro performance for 'thinner'? When you want thin use your iPad or whatever. These are 'pro' performance level machines. If you have enough money to buy a pro machine without having pro needs then you probably have enough money to have other devices around when you want 'thin'.
 
That pretty much puts all the rumors of a macbook pro redesign to rest. Looks like the optical drive will continue to be used.

Glad I didn't do anything with my 15" Sandybridge MacBook Pro, I had plans of selling and upgrading but now theres even less incentive to do so.

Interesting.

As of 1:42am, my comment has 19 downranks.

Is it because people generally don't like the fact that the rumors about the removal of the optical drive can pretty much stop now or was there something wrong with something I said?

A shot of the motherboard fitted for the macbook pro with updated hardware with no design changes makes a clear case.
 
WTF? Based on what? I freelance and work onsite doing motion graphics for a myriad of clients and use all 3 features daily. Most clients have a locked down wireless network that is too slow to dump 200 GBs of video files and firewire drives are still HUGE. I use my optical drive a lot less but I'm getting the impression there aren't so many pro users chiming in.

Those are basically legacy interfaces though. You can get both Firewire and Ethernet connectivity through a higher bandwidth interface like Thunderbolt or USB 3.0.
 
As I said, there are some organizations that are stuck on decades old technology and infrastructure. But it's not the rest of the IT industry's job to cater to a few organizations' obstinance, and refusal to adopt new technology. Ethernet was designed at a time when mini-computers were considered miniaturized platforms, and micro-computers (desktops) were only drawings on blueprints. 802.11n is perfectly secure and perfectly capable of getting 600 Mbit/s, and new standards are arriving (such as ac) to leave Gbit ethernet in the dust. DVD ROMs are being phased out by Blueray and streaming. Firewire drives can easily run with an adaptor to TB or USB3; there is literally no reason for any of these outdated techs to exist any longer.

There is a need in high security organisations, wireless communication (even when AES 256-bit encryted) is still considered less secure than a wired connection, until wireless communication is proven to be as secure as a wired connections there will still be a need for ethernet. Although, having said that, I must stress, the numbers of purchases from highly secure organisations is probably very little.
 
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