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What makes it the Pro if it just becomes the Air? If you want a skinny blade of a laptop with no ODD and just solid state memory, Apple has had that product for years. I don't know a single person that doesn't occasionally use ODD and their essentially disposable media to copy, transfer or share files. It's hard to beat giving a 10¢ disc to someone or burning a copy of that movie for the kids to destroy. I am a photographer, and it is still my go-to media for giving family or clients large image files that aren't practical to email or download. All theose capabilities are what distinguishes it as a Pro, and not needing a briefcase full of peripherals to do all your tasks.
 
notabadname said:
What makes it the Pro if it just becomes the Air? If you want a skinny blade of a laptop with no ODD and just solid state memory, Apple has had that product for years. I don't know a single person that doesn't occasionally use ODD and their essentially disposable media to copy, transfer or share files. It's hard to beat giving a 10¢ disc to someone or burning a copy of that movie for the kids to destroy. I am a photographer, and it is still my go-to media for giving family or clients large image files that aren't practical to email or download. All theose capabilities are what distinguishes it as a Pro, and not needing a briefcase full of peripherals to do all your tasks.
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The removal of the ODD doesnt make it an Air.

Unless you don't care about 2.5" drives, proper graphics cards or even a higher end CPU.
 
Xcallibur said:
There is a need in high security organisations, wireless communication (even when AES 256-bit encryted) is still considered less secure than a wired connection, until wireless communication is proven to be as secure as a wired connections there will still be a need for ethernet. Although, having said that, I must stress, the numbers of purchases from highly secure organisations is probably very little.
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Like many have suggested, and I already said; there are perfectly capable adapters over TB or USB3 that will be more than capable, for the extreme corner cases if some organization has a legitimate reason to require wired connectivity (for DoD stuff, I understand). That is by far a tiny minority of actual users of Macs. There is no reason to force every single user to have these useless feature (to most) on their laptops to make them heavier, less wieldy, and omit useful things (such as larger battery, better cooling system, etc).
 
While I'm sure your work is important; it's hardly typical.

If there are "tens of thousands" as you say, that would amount to less than 0.1% of all Mac users, not a significant user base to consider.
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As a creative professional, I use FW800, optical discs and Ethernet connections every day. Hooked up to my MBP is 2-4 TB of daisy-chained drives via FW800. Connected via GigE is our 10TB network storage and backup, just for the creative department, on top of the multiple TBs of network storage for our company. If you think sending hundreds of gigabytes per day over 802.11g, even 802.11n in PERFECT conditions is acceptable you are sorely mistaken. I burn discs of large files to vendors all the time, not everyone accepts submissions via the Internet and sometimes sending 6GB of clips in ProRes or 800 full res RAW photos from an event is just more efficient that way. We also recieve large collections of photos and videos from agencies we work with over disc, but more and more they send us hard drives with FW interfaces if they're over a certain amount of GB.

This is called the MacBook PRO, and as such should feature a certain level of built-in I/O that PROFESSIONALS use. You could drop the internal disc drive, but cutting out FireWire and Ethernet would be a huge mistake.

If you don't need it, fine, Apple is more than happy to sell you a MacBook Air.
 
notabadname said:
What makes it the Pro if it just becomes the Air? If you want a skinny blade of a laptop with no ODD and just solid state memory, Apple has had that product for years. I don't know a single person that doesn't occasionally use ODD and their essentially disposable media to copy, transfer or share files. It's hard to beat giving a 10¢ disc to someone or burning a copy of that movie for the kids to destroy. I am a photographer, and it is still my go-to media for giving family or clients large image files that aren't practical to email or download. All theose capabilities are what distinguishes it as a Pro, and not needing a briefcase full of peripherals to do all your tasks.
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If you need one, there has been a USB external one for years, since early 2008 from Apple; and has been available elsewhere since forever. If they "occasionally" need it, then it's perfectly legitimate to expect them to use an external one for that purpose.
 
commander.data said:
Does HP use GDDR5 with their 650M though or just DDR3? Apple always couples the GPUs with high-speed VRAM, in the past GDDR3 when it was the latest and now GDDR5, rather than using large amounts of low-speed DDR2/DDR3 and using MB/GB as the marketing focus as is more common with Windows OEMs. A 650M with GDDR5 will be noticeably faster than a 650M with DDR3.

And the 680M has a 100W TDP. The top-end 6970M in the iMac only has a 75W TDP, so you can figure out the probability of fitting a 680M in a ~1" MacBook Pro.
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2gb GDDR5. Mac will probably only be 1gb I imagine
 
HardBall said:
Like many have suggested, and I already said; there are perfectly capable adapters over TB or USB3 that will be more than capable, for the extreme corner cases if some organization has a legitimate reason to require wired connectivity (for DoD stuff, I understand). That is by far a tiny minority of actual users of Macs. There is no reason to force every single user to have these useless feature (to most) on their laptops to make them heavier, less wieldy, and omit useful things (such as larger battery, better cooling system, etc).
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Of course, we all know you can use adapters, but why carry around a bunch of adapters for things the vast majority of businesses still use for interfaces that are barely supported. My clients are primarily the bigger game companies, ad agencies and animation studios, all still very much using ethernet, firewire drives for exchanging files and even the occasional DVD burn of assets.

Why even have USB ports for the last many years if firewire could handle it? Reminds me of those old, tiny Sony micro books that required a bag full of adapters to get anything done.
 
HardBall said:
802.11n is perfectly secure and perfectly capable of getting 600 Mbit/s,
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I've never seen more than ~160 Mbit/s over 802.11 N, and it goes down with additional users and distance. Gigabit ethernet doesn't have these disadvantages.
 
Navdakilla said:
The point isn't that the design now is amazing (which I agree). It's the fact that theses laptops have had the same design for 4 years. Change is what the people need
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I'm sure they are the same people who cheat on their girlfriends simply for something new or expect a new wife every day.

Sure, change is what some people need.
 
ckelley said:
As a creative professional, I use FW800, optical discs and Ethernet connections every day. Hooked up to my MBP is 2-4 TB of daisy-chained drives via FW800. Connected via GigE is our 10TB network storage and backup, just for the creative department, on top of the multiple TBs of network storage for our company. If you think sending hundreds of gigabytes per day over 802.11g, even 802.11n in PERFECT conditions is acceptable you are sorely mistaken. I burn discs of large files to vendors all the time, not everyone accepts submissions via the Internet and sometimes sending 6GB of clips in ProRes or 800 full res RAW photos from an event is just more efficient that way. We also recieve large collections of photos and videos from agencies we work with over disc, but more and more they send us hard drives with FW interfaces if they're over a certain amount of GB.

This is called the MacBook PRO, and as such should feature a certain level of built-in I/O that PROFESSIONALS use. You could drop the internal disc drive, but cutting out FireWire and Ethernet would be a huge mistake.

If you don't need it, fine, Apple is more than happy to sell you a MacBook Air.
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I don't where you live, "ckelley" but I need to buy you a beer. Hurray for professionals dealing with less than ideal conditions.
 
ckelley said:
As a creative professional, I use FW800, optical discs and Ethernet connections every day. Hooked up to my MBP is 2-4 TB of daisy-chained drives via FW800. Connected via GigE is our 10TB network storage and backup, just for the creative department, on top of the multiple TBs of network storage for our company. If you think sending hundreds of gigabytes per day over 802.11g, even 802.11n in PERFECT conditions is acceptable you are sorely mistaken. I burn discs of large files to vendors all the time, not everyone accepts submissions via the Internet and sometimes sending 6GB of clips in ProRes or 800 full res RAW photos from an event is just more efficient that way. We also recieve large collections of photos and videos from agencies we work with over disc, but more and more they send us hard drives with FW interfaces if they're over a certain amount of GB.

This is called the MacBook PRO, and as such should feature a certain level of built-in I/O that PROFESSIONALS use. You could drop the internal disc drive, but cutting out FireWire and Ethernet would be a huge mistake.

If you don't need it, fine, Apple is more than happy to sell you a MacBook Air.
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I get the feeling that anyone who downranks this has never had a real job or did more than just send photos to grandma and grandpa on their computers.

As a fellow creative professional, I fully agree with *everything* you've said. I've worked in environments where the studio's main storage had about 10TB of data JUST for the graphic design department and we *needed* to be connected via ethernet. Some photoshop files alone would amount to 2gb which still took 10 or so minutes to open directly from the server but made more sense to copy to the desktop and open from there.

Wifi is a joke for heavy work.
 
ckelley said:
As a creative professional, I use FW800, optical discs and Ethernet connections every day. Hooked up to my MBP is 2-4 TB of daisy-chained drives via FW800. Connected via GigE is our 10TB network storage and backup, just for the creative department, on top of the multiple TBs of network storage for our company. If you think sending hundreds of gigabytes per day over 802.11g, even 802.11n in PERFECT conditions is acceptable you are sorely mistaken. I burn discs of large files to vendors all the time, not everyone accepts submissions via the Internet and sometimes sending 6GB of clips in ProRes or 800 full res RAW photos from an event is just more efficient that way. We also recieve large collections of photos and videos from agencies we work with over disc, but more and more they send us hard drives with FW interfaces if they're over a certain amount of GB.

This is called the MacBook PRO, and as such should feature a certain level of built-in I/O that PROFESSIONALS use. You could drop the internal disc drive, but cutting out FireWire and Ethernet would be a huge mistake.

If you don't need it, fine, Apple is more than happy to sell you a MacBook Air.
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Well like I said; if these organizations still think that they actually need ethernet, then they are simply not behaving reasonably. It's not these files are top government secret and need the highest level of security.

They simply refuse to adopt new interfaces like USB3 and TB, which are both superior to FW and Ethernet for these types of file transfers in many ways. This is not a case of real need, it's just a case of perceived "need"; where in fact, it boils down to some managers innate fear of change and their refusal to consider anything out of their comfort zone.
 
LOL. The airheads at it again...at this stage of the current affairs I would be more concerned about the hors d'heurves at the conference. I kind of like this latest rumor. Meanwhile, here in Europe, Croatia played a phenomenal game winning with Ireland 3:1
 
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HardBall said:
Well like I said; if these organizations still think that they actually need ethernet, then they are simply not behaving reasonably. It's not these files are top government secret and need the highest level of security.

They simply refuse to adopt new interfaces like USB3 and TB, which are both superior to FW and Ethernet for these types of file transfers in many ways. This is not a case of real need, it's just a case of perceived "need"; where in fact, it boils down to some managers innate fear of change and their refusal to consider anything out of their comfort zone.
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And you are just stubbornly refusing to understand that the bolt pattern and Ferrari wheels are much superior and you insist on not replacing the idiot Honda with a new car from Maranello.
 
anandy said:
Schedule-wise, it doesn't make the best sense to redesign the model for Ivy Bridge, which is just a minor tweak to the existing Sandy Bridge. Haswell is supposed to bring thinner designs and Apple doesn't want to redesign the MBP twice in two years, why not wait until Haswell is released for the redesign?
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Haswell is still atleast a year out, and with AMD underperforming it might take longer, How big a change is haswell re tdp anyways? ivy bridge already brought the TDP down, but then again...

wikus said:
I get the feeling that anyone who downranks this has never had a real job or did more than just send photos to grandma and grandpa on their computers.

As a fellow creative professional, I fully agree with *everything* you've said. I've worked in environments where the studio's main storage had about 10TB of data JUST for the graphic design department and we *needed* to be connected via ethernet. Some photoshop files alone would amount to 2gb which still took 10 or so minutes to open directly from the server but made more sense to copy to the desktop and open from there.

Wifi is a joke for heavy work.
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You can get FW800 and Gigabit ethernet with the Apple Thunderbolt Display, not cheap but you can, there's also the dock station belking is coming out with. there might also be Gigabit adaptors for USB3.0, sure a dongle might not be the prettiest solution but you can only go so thin and keep the ports.
 
HardBall said:
If you need one, there has been a USB external one for years, since early 2008 from Apple; and has been available elsewhere since forever. If they "occasionally" need it, then it's perfectly legitimate to expect them to use an external one for that purpose.
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As I said, I don't want to have a desktop or briefcase full of peripherals. Obviously USB versions are available. But if you need an external Hard Disk Drive because the affordable internal solid state is only 250 GB, AND you need an external ODD for burning media, I start to question what makes it a Pro. That is like having a "Pro" tool (such as a miter saw) for my wood working that doesn't really do all the compound cuts, but if I want to get some additional boxes and fences, I can make it do most of the stuff the real "Pro" tool does. The MBP doesn't feel very "Pro" to me if I need $400 worth of peripherals.
 
I dont think Ethernet is going away this time around however it is still possible the ODD could be gone with a solid state drive in its place .
People wanting to burn disks can get a USB 3.0 dongle for the burner. Or maybe even a TB ODD .
The location of some of the parts around the 2011 MBP were moved to around the 2012 GPU away from where the ODD was. This could mean the area around the old cut-out for the ODD has changed in some fashion.
 
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HardBall said:
Well like I said; if these organizations still think that they actually need ethernet, then they are simply not behaving reasonably. It's not these files are top government secret and need the highest level of security.

They simply refuse to adopt new interfaces like USB3 and TB, which are both superior to FW and Ethernet for these types of file transfers in many ways. This is not a case of real need, it's just a case of perceived "need"; where in fact, it boils down to some managers innate fear of change and their refusal to consider anything out of their comfort zone.
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Our IT department, headed by some really smart people who do know what they're talking about and are aware of what is currently out there and coming down the road, would laugh in your face if you suggested everyone suddenly move off our wired GigE connections over to wifi, just because.

Are you insane? You must be or spectacularly blitzed out of your mind to think wireless performance is anywhere near what you think it is, even in 100% ideal conditions.

I'll wait while you transfer those hundreds of GB over the wifi network while I can get it done in minutes over GigE.

I'm not against USB3 or TB, I'm ready to embrace them, but there's no reason to remove either of the ports you just mentioned. How many adapters and dongles do we need to buy so your perfect MacBook Pro can shave off 0.03 of an inch? it's not worth it.

This isn't some original iMac removal of the floppy drive or serial bus type revolution here, it's fast, current generation industry standard I/O used every day by professionals.

And no, my PSDs and RAW files and videos or anything like that aren't top secret, but we have financial data and records for thousands of our clients and employees... we do have trade secrets and information that would be harmful if our competitors got access to them, and things like that should take no risk over a wireless connection if the only excuse is "well, you're sticking with old antiquated technology!"
 
The USB3/TB -> Firewire adapters aren't able to maintain the latency and constant signals for pro audio work either. Firewire does. If you drop the signal on a live audio feed during a session you cant just resend the packet and pick up where you left off like you can for a data file transfer.
 
I didn't read much of the thread (too tired) but can anyone give me a rough idea of how the nvidia gt 650m compares to the Ati radeon 7750 and 7770?

edit" Does this following link show the accurate graphic cards?

http://www.graphicscardbenchmarks.com/page/compare

If so Nvidia has a big advantage. But I notice the numbering is different. What's the difference between
gtx 650 and gt 650m?
THANKS
 
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