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No thanks. Hipsters would crap themselves tho. A solar panel on the back of a device that faces the ground when you use it and then spends the day in a dark pocket.

My iphone is green!!!!!!1111 SHIFT+1

So much hate against hipsters, almost sounds like you are jealous of us.
 
I fail to see how this explains anything. The phone still has a glass cover, with we know if 0.9 mm compared to last years 1.0 mm. And it still needs a back.

A phone needs a top, bottom, and sides. If the thickness was 9.3 mm, and is now 7.6 mm, with the same internal thickness battery, then the top and bottom got thinner. Period.

Where could they possibly have saved 1.7 mm? Becuase the screen only saved 0.1 mm and the back was only 1.0mm to start. So even WITHOUT A BACK, it's still not enough. My guess is in the digitizer.

Here's my thoughts.
The new, unibody-style back makes the back thinner than the glass back was.
The front uses Gorilla Glass II, about half the thickness for the same strength. The new screen is fractionally thinner as well.

Between those two changes, you can lose pretty much an entire glass panel worth of thickness (maybe even a bit more) without impacting the space available inside.

Oh, and not having the glass edge sticking out past the metal band will improve drop durability of the glass panel, as well.
 
is that "5" really for "Iphone5"

is that "5" really for "Iphone 5" ??

It could be because they might be introducing 5 new products
the next iPhone
a new ipod line-up of 3 or 4 iPods

and if 3 iPods then The Ipad mini or something like that

Apple is really on traditions etc ... they would introduce either 1, 2, 3, 5, 7 etc.. products because 4 is considered bad luck in china and 6 is in the western world

That's just my guess but they couldnt just introduce the 3 ipods and 1iphone so there are multiple options that can be considered ;)
 
If the battery is the same charge and power... I don't see how anyone here thinks the iphone 5 will last as long as the 4.

Wow. So many things you're so sure of, even though you're wrong. :(

Faster processor no matter how efficient, will run the battery down faster. a 1.5 hrz processor will always use more power than a .4 hrz processor.


Faster processor = more power hungry? This is only true when you're comparing the same processor design on the same process. There are *many* factors which effect the efficiency of the chip. The primary two are transistor count and process size.

Yes, within the same processor generation, the faster = more power hungry rule applies, but once you change processor generations or fabrication processes it does not.

If only we had a processor family change in recent history to use as an example (like say the P4 to Core Duo) to disprove this claim. :D

The screen is bigger thus more light thus more power.

The screen's (rumored) technology is also thinner, and passes more of the backlighting through to the user. This means greater efficiency because it uses *less* light to get the same effective brightness.

This will probably be a net battery life *gain*, despite the larger screen.

LTE... if it the was for 3g.. will drain the battery faster as well.

There's a reason Apple waited for the current generation of LTE chipset. The first generation was miserable for power consumption, *and* still required a 3G chipset as well, making matters worse.

The LTE chipset rumored to be used in the iPhone 5 uses a more efficient (smaller) process, and includes LTE (worldwide), GSM, and CDMA all on the same chip. This means the phone will only need to power a single chip.

This is probably a wash on battery life, but will be heavily dependent upon signal quality in any given area.

The iphone 5 will still be great compared to the competition, but we all have to be pretty oblivious to expect the same battery life as the iphone 4 with the same battery.

Odds are, the announcement of the iPhone 5 will include a statement to the effect of, "all these great features, and still the same battery life", or maybe even a small improvement.

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Oh god

Just stop it

So if we don't like something we should shut up?

No, not necessarily. On the other hand, if complaining about it isn't actually going to have any effect, what's the point of wasting your energy? :p
 
Not everyone... just a few poor slobs here that have nothing else in their lives to concern themselves with until prom time rolls around again. The iPhone 5 will be a nice upgrade for iPhone 4 and 3GS users.

Battery capacity will be on par with the 4S, over all weight looks to be slightly less, headphone jack on bottom really non-issue b/c the iPhone 5 will rotate 360 degrees like the iPad. Back panel doesn't look all that great in pics, but lets be honest, only a tiny minority of consumers use their phone naked. The first accessory people buy is a case, so again non-issue. And bottom line, for most productive people a phone is a tool, not a fashion accessory. When is the last time you were at Home Depot and overheard a carpenter say he's not buying a top of the line drill because it's red!



Nonsense. Of course they've tried. It's why they got rid of the hard user replaceable cases so they could make room for more juice. Battery science is a tough nut to crack. Every battery and electronics company in the world is trying to make better batteries. But you can't just click your heels three times and wish for it. Laws of physics and chemistry are at work.




Sure, it's as secure as our UDIDs seem to be. (Not that UDIDs are really of use to anyone, but 3rd parties obtained them...)

I stoped reading there,so you mean the iphone battery will suck big time again?
thank you :D
 
it's a picture of a battery.....and people get all excited. :rolleyes:

here, let me contribute in getting y'all worked up some more

d_batteries.jpg


oh yeeeaaaaaaah, you like that? mmmmm, hmmmmm....batteries...
 
You have to remember the S3 has a 4.8" screen vs 3.5" for the iPhone. This probably makes a huge difference in battery drain.

Anyway with the power consumption improvements and not-so-huge 4" screen the iphone 5 will likely also have better battery life than the S3.

Yes, I agree, and the S3 has a much larger battery to handle that screen difference too. That is the point and we agree: the iPhone 5 will do quite well in comparison to the S3.

I would say, everyone stop worrying about it.
 
- no bands in the rim, one part (tube slice welded to backplate), all antenneas inside, under the back windows.
- bottom with nicer layout, no big holes and screws, speaker under glasswindow
- frontpanel also hole-less, with touch home button, and underglass speaker
- windows at back in matching colors of metal, maybe.

So you're saying you want the speakers to be muted. Just cause glass is see through doesn't mean sound goes through it just as well as light.
 
we have the numbers to determine the mAh rating of the battery already, now you just have to do the math.

milliamp-hour = watt-hour × 1000 / Voltage

iPhone 4S
5.3 Whr * 1000 / 3.7 = 1432 mAh

iPhone 5
5.45 Whr * 1000 / 3.8 = 1434 mAh
 
Bigger Battery

I am beginning to believe that the only reason that this new iPhone is bigger is because they couldn't solve the battery life vs 4G with current technology. Anyone else? I mean, the bigger screen seems kind of stupid. I'm going to need deeper pockets to keep my phone from falling out. They made a whole stink about the ratio and usage with iPad and it makes more sense than this rectangular screen. Battery. They couldn't figure it out. That's what I think.
 
Looks like its going to have just as bad battery as the 4S and not even last a day on moderate use.
 
I am beginning to believe that the only reason that this new iPhone is bigger is because they couldn't solve the battery life vs 4G with current technology. Anyone else? I mean, the bigger screen seems kind of stupid. I'm going to need deeper pockets to keep my phone from falling out. They made a whole stink about the ratio and usage with iPad and it makes more sense than this rectangular screen. Battery. They couldn't figure it out. That's what I think.

Battery is essentially the same capacity. Doesn't hold water.
 
Yeah but... no but... yeah but...

Like most here, I can't wait to upgrade, but I am not sure it's enough.

Check out comparisons with other phones if you like prolonged music or other things that use reasonable power for long runs.. I think Apple have got some way to go.

I REALLY dont like taking boosters for my iPhone on transatlantic flights - just in case flights are delayed and it runs out - and I DO like taking my music and films round with me!

I really think we need a phone that can play film for 18-24 hours without a problem and I am not sure the 5 is the beastie yet..

Still I can wait...


:cool:
 
Third parties can of course obtain your physical cash. They call them 'pickpockets' ;)

Of course, that is the analog version -- but, unlike the digital way of pick pocketing, a thief can only pick one pocket at a time.

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I stoped reading there,so you mean the iphone battery will suck big time again?
thank you :D

If you have nothing better to do all day then watch movies on your phone, then yes, it will be awful. OTOH if you use it like like most people do it will last a day, easy.

Every day I use my phone for a total 45 min talk time, send a couple dozen emails, another couple dozen SMS, minor Internet browsing, and use the GPS to track my runs (w/ music playing). By the end of the day I typically have about 30% juice left. I can't complain.
 
We have been a apple only household. But today I received my Samsung S3.. as Expected Android is pure **** and the phone is cheap asian plastic with idiotic solutions for everything.

On the plus side the screen is very good and... yeah well that's it.

But I won't buy this iphone 4T that is coming... I need width and not height when I surf the web praying to the porcelain god
 
Sadly the entire phone is comprised of nothing more than tiny incremental improvements.

i dont think you understand how apple operates. sustained incremental improvements. over years. thats how they roll.

While not necessarily bad, it's a joke that they lengthened the screen without widening it. You've got to laugh, it's so absurd.
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In Landscape mode, you have _no_ change... it's half assed.

no - you get widescreen media that fits w/o letterboxing, and iphone-video footage that should match my tv better.

im not sure why you droid-lovers want bigger screens. i like a small phone that fits in my pocket easily. w/ retina dpi everything is easy to ready. why make a completely new resolution that breaks all the existing apps?
 
... I need width and not height when I surf the web praying to the porcelain god

There' always that copy of Walt Whitman's Leaves of Grass ...

It's funny, I very rarely use the web browser on my phone, almost everything I consume is through an app (email, forums, news, IMDB, Amazon, Wikipedia, etc.)
 
Of course, that is the analog version -- but, unlike the digital way of pick pocketing, a thief can only pick one pocket at a time.

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If you have nothing better to do all day then watch movies on your phone, then yes, it will be awful. OTOH if you use it like like most people do it will last a day, easy.

Every day I use my phone for a total 45 min talk time, send a couple dozen emails, another couple dozen SMS, minor Internet browsing, and use the GPS to track my runs (w/ music playing). By the end of the day I typically have about 30% juice left. I can't complain.
That is impossible especially with the 4s, do you charge it on the car as well?
I use my iphone 4(better battery life than 4s) for music,gps,internet,few calls and well when i return home it needs charging or it will off.
 
All they did was make it taller! It's the same 2 year old design! Nobody is going to buy an iPhone if the battery is just a little bit taller! The design is getting stale! Half an inch isn't enough! I want them to expand the size of the battery horizontally too! I need a bigger battery! The S3 has a bigger battery!

who cares? do you complain that cars or laptops dont get radically changed every year or two? i dont. i dont care -- its a tool. i use it like a tool...not a fashion accessory.
 
who cares? do you complain that cars or laptops dont get radically changed every year or two? i dont. i dont care -- its a tool. i use it like a tool...not a fashion accessory.

ANd as a tool it fails big time when you can't use it at full power without being afraid that will off before you go back to your house.
And who said that i have to go back to my house after i finnish working?or what if i work more than 8 hours?sould i carry with me all the time some charger and charge my phone wherever i find a plug?
Are you serious? why all of you defend apple like is God descend on earth, don't you people want a phone that the battery can last 12-15 hours of hard work?don't you want for the screen to be easy readable?
Apple has failed on battery life,on providing a device that is light 140g is overkill for so small device,(i expect when the device you make is small to be light as well)on providing a fresher look on the iOS(it is 5 years old and still the same),on providing a thinner phone with all the above+more.

Is this were the old saying go"the student surpassed the master"?
All the other manufacturers surpassed apple and when i say all i mean ALL thinner phones with better battery's,better screens,better,better,better.

If apple wants to end up in mobile industrie the same way it did in PC be my guest and blindly support whatever they do,if not then you sould speak and demand things as consumers.
 
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