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And you just achieved this yourself .... how? By being negative about people who critized a commercial platform?

In case you haven't noticed it, but you just did everything that bothers you about others yourself. The only difference being that you complained about people while the other people complained about a thing, a product, a content distribution platform.
Is there an award for missing the point?
 
Looks like this is just another day that we'll never forget. When are they premiering the new Tupac album?
 
Nothing to do with it at all, go and do your research.

The rights to the Beatles recordings are owned by the Beatles / EMI.
The rights to the published music are owned by the MJ estate.
The two are not linked.

Wow..MJ Estate owns the published material. They will never be broke, Just imagine how much money they made since The Beatles started selling on iTunes.
 
I see Ping as a feature, not as a service in and of itself.
I just don't see most people being that obsessed with music to make networking around it a stand-alone activity (and I'm a former pro musician myself.)
It makes more sense as a feature of Facebook (as much as I hate to say that.)

This sums up exactly how i feel. I don't think music is important enough to most people to make a dedicated social network for it. Apple should have made it an option to connect itunes to facebook and called it a day. I wonder how long apple will try to beat the dead ping horse
 
This is why I like Ping. A couple weeks ago I got a free new Eric Clapton song, then I got a free new G. Love song, now a preview of a new MJ song... Apple needs to keep these exclusives coming!

if ping wasn't such a flop you'd NEVER get a free song on a steve jobs product like ping! but it seems like they do every trick to bring the people to ping.

i wonder why they haven't made a huge pr campaign saying that THIS IS THE DAY WE WILL NEVER FORGET! because... we were able to hear a new jackson song (he once scrapped because it didn't meet his taste...)
 
There's a serious irony in the song's title.

Yea, that kinda works on... a lot of levels...

Also in this thread, "From a Materialist/Atheist standpoint, how does one account for immaterial abstract entities such as the laws of logic?" is one of the more embarrassing admissions I've ever seen anyone publicly make.
 
I know posthumous music is released all the time and that the artist obviously doesn't receive royalties from that. But some things just strike me as creepy. Michael Jackson was a perfectionist. If he hadn't released this song, he probably didn't want to. Also, he *just* died very recently and already this song that he probably didn't want released is being used to promote an already desperate looking service, which is a skeleton of a social network that has already tried leeching off of Facebook against its will. None of this gives me a better feeling about Ping. It makes Ping seem even sadder than before and in addition to that now macabre. I've given my suggestions for improving Ping before and won't again. But it really needs to be re-imagined with a *purpose*--not created just for the sake of being a social network when there was no hole to fill in the market. That's the Microsoft approach to business: build where no one needed you and pour money into the project until people start using the service for reasons unrelated to its quality.

I feel the same about the new ATT wireless ads with Nick Drake music in the background. When I think of his life, some of it tortured, ending tragically, it's quite a contrast to the happy images of the ATT commercial using his music. Is a mobile phone conglomerate Nick Drake's legacy? No, so the commercial strikes me as creepy, as well. The Volkswagen ad done with his song was more tasteful as it was actually about a moonlit night and followed the lyrics of the song.
 
translation - they didn't think they could make money of it almost 30 years ago but now that he's passed on and his estate owns a lot of money they are trying to make money off everything he ever did

Let me translate what you attempted to say:

They didn't think they could make money from it almost 30 years ago; now that he has passed on (while in debt); his estate are trying to pay is debt.

Is that what you're trying to say.
 
As the quote you replied to stated, The rights to the Beatles recordings are owned by the Beatles / EMI. :rolleyes:
The "publishing rights" for most of the Beatles songs are owned 50/50 by Sony/ATV. MJ owned ATV. MJ bought ATV by outbidding Paul, and later merge with Sony records. The Beatle members/ estates still get songwriter royalties.
 
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Wow..MJ Estate owns the published material. They will never be broke, Just imagine how much money they made since The Beatles started selling on iTunes.

And they do not own the rights to all of The Beatle's songs either.

For example, he does not own any of the George Harrison songs, for example the top charting Beatles single on iTunes, Here Comes The Sun.

And it should be noted that Michael Jackson only receives 50% of the royalties generated by the Beatles songs. Paul McCartney and the John Lennon Estate have always received their 50% songwriter's share of the royalties for the Lennon-McCartney songs.
 
The "publishing rights" for most of the Beatles songs are owned 50/50 by Sony/ATV. MJ owned ATV. MJ bought ATV by outbidding Paul, and later merge with Sony records. The Beatle members/ estates still get songwriter royalties.

Sony/ATV don't own the recordings and the "mechanical rights" though. :p
 
How is this even first page news? Page three at best. ;)

It's first page news because Ping has an exclusive from a major artist. It's a good step for Apple in promoting Ping. I'm not a huge fan of Michael Jackson, but I definitely see exclusive content working out for Ping.

This world's a better place without a prosecution-avoiding child molester in it. As much as I liked some of MJ's earlier work, he's been forever scarred by his sick lifestyle.

The world would also be a better place without pessimists who find the worst in things. This is about Ping getting an exclusive, not an artist's personal life.

Apple sends strange signals. On one hand they are anti porn, on the other they promote a guy that was arrested on child molestation charges (and then settled out of court - thus pretty much admitting to it).

Settling out of court proves guilt? Damn, there are a lot of guilty people and companies in the world. I bet they all molest children, too.

Sarcasm aside, it's cheaper for artist's and companies to settle outside of court, rather than pay for lawyers and waste time in court. Also, iTunes probably aren't intending to promote Michael Jackson's music. They know Michael Jackson has a huge fan-base, and by introducing an exclusive of this artist's work to Ping, they help increase their users. That's what I understand from this article.
 
Why must people be so negative all the time?
If you don't like the song or Ping then just ignore the thread and focus on something positive instead. All this effort people seem to expend nowadays putting things down or moaning could be much better spent on good things.

Adjust your thought processes, think "How can I make the world a better place" NOT how can I spread negativity about something that I have no interest in or care little about in reality.

Instead of coming here and posting things that don't add to the world, go do something nice for someone.

Sometimes being nice to people is telling them when they're waisting their time trying to build something they obviously lack the correct skills or leadership to do in a successful way, so they can go off and do something both they and users will enjoy (and profit from).

Like here.

Phazer
 
I wonder how long apple will try to beat the dead ping horse

News of the death of the Ping horse is greatly exaggerated.

Elvis, on the other hand, is alive and well and singing Karaoke in a out-of-the-way juke joint near Nashville.
 
Original Lyrics for Beat it

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Penis

No One wants to See your Penis
 
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Penis

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No One wants to See your Penis

...Then why are you posting it? :p

well said.

they should focus on developing something new and exciting rather than putting a dead suspected child molester with a warmed up old song on.

He was suspected until he was acquitted on all charges five years ago.

HyperX13 said:
Apple sends strange signals. On one hand they are anti porn, on the other they promote a guy that was arrested on child molestation charges (and then settled out of court - thus pretty much admitting to it).

Actually, he settled it out of court because his advisors and friends told him to. They all got agreed that Michael was too ill and stressed to endue a long trial (You wouldn't be feeling on top of the world if for just over a year the world's news media had been calling you a Child Molester and posting the worst pictures that where taken of you now would you?).

Besides, what sort of father in his right mind would accept cash instead of justice for someone who had molested his son? Hell, if someone molested my child, I wouldn't take cash and leave it at that, I'd bloody kill them.

Now back on-topic :) I know it isn't a big deal for many of you (Not even for me and I'm a fan of his music) but for Ping this is. It's the first Ping-only exclusive from a big artist.
 
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It's first page news because Ping has an exclusive from a major artist. It's a good step for Apple in promoting Ping. I'm not a huge fan of Michael Jackson, but I definitely see exclusive content working out for Ping.



The world would also be a better place without pessimists who find the worst in things. This is about Ping getting an exclusive, not an artist's personal life.



Settling out of court proves guilt? Damn, there are a lot of guilty people and companies in the world. I bet they all molest children, too.

Sarcasm aside, it's cheaper for artist's and companies to settle outside of court, rather than pay for lawyers and waste time in court. Also, iTunes probably aren't intending to promote Michael Jackson's music. They know Michael Jackson has a huge fan-base, and by introducing an exclusive of this artist's work to Ping, they help increase their users. That's what I understand from this article.

Please respect the fact this is MacRumors and take your considered, moderate, open-minded comments elsewhere. ;)
 
Let's see, the kid told the police where to find the hidden briefcase, described the contents (male porn), described MJ's pecker. MJ payed millions to the childs family and others, the charges went away. Why even have sleepovers with children ? Look at the situation he put himself in.

What about the Juice ? Everyone says he's guilty. He was aquitted. Still he had to pay millions in a wrongful death suit. They even took the man's Hiesman.
 
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