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Pioneer Working on Aftermarket CarPlay Compatibility
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I like the idea, but I bet that the upgrade (with installing a screen in my current vehicle) will be too pricy for me.
I wonder if the ios on the car concept can be reworked into something like the iCub, or a pilot kneeboard. With a heat resistant matte touch screen this would negate almost all of the advantages of stand alone garmin aviation gps (mostly glare.)
http://www.planeandpilotmag.com/aircraft/pilot-reports/sportairusa/icub-love.html
I wonder if the ios on the car concept can be reworked into something like the iCub, or a pilot kneeboard. With a heat resistant matte touch screen this would negate almost all of the advantages of stand alone garmin aviation gps (mostly glare.)
http://www.planeandpilotmag.com/aircraft/pilot-reports/sportairusa/icub-love.html
I won't buy anything made by Pioneer after dealing with the AppRadio2. Their customer support was dismal, and the AppRadio2 was problematic.
At first, my iPhone 5 would only play music, Pandora radio, and link to my phone for calls. Apps and video did not work, even with the lightning adapter. But I thought no big deal, Pioneer said that it was coming out with an adapter cable soon (and they did, it was $60). So I bought it but it still wouldn't display apps. I called Pioneer and they said to make sure I had all software updates installed and to call back.
The problem is, I tried downloading the updates and burning them onto FAT32 thumb drives and then installing them according to the directions on Pioneer's website. The AppRadio would not recognize any of the thumb drives (I tried four). I formatted the thumb drives on my Mac at first, then on Windows 7. I always got the same error. I called Pioneer, they tried to help me, but admitted that they themselves could not tell what the problem was. I asked if they wanted me to send it back for an exchange, they said that I could not, since I bought it at a third party car stereo store (the AppRadio was new when I bought it, not used). The store said that I had to go through Pioneer to get a replacement. Pioneer suggested that I try to install the updates via a preinstalled thumb drive that they could send me...for a $35 dollar fee (shipping was extra). That didn't work either. So now I am out an additional $95+ and still cannot do more than play music, Pandora radio, and link to my phone for calls.
Gets better - when I first plug in the iPhone, Pandora opens up and starts playing. Every time. There was no stopping it (I eventually uninstalled Pandora from my iPhone 5). There was also the pop-up window prompting me to allow the AppRadio app to launch. It popped up every time, right after Pandora launched. That also would not go away. When I try to play music, about 50% of the time the music would play, but the song title, album artwork, anything displayed on the AppRadio screen would freeze. Music would still play - the pause/play, back/forward buttons would still work, but nothing else would change on the screen. And less often (but still irritating), the video controls would appear when the AppRadio first started up and then would not go away unless I unplugged the iPhone and then plugged it back in. Remember I could not play video. So I then couldn't do anything except use my iPhone to change songs, etc.
This was such a waste of my money I cannot in good conscience recommend Pioneer products to anyone. Pioneer really make a turkey of a car stereo, I for sure will never buy their products again.
At first, my iPhone 5 would only play music, Pandora radio, and link to my phone for calls. Apps and video did not work, even with the lightning adapter. But I thought no big deal, Pioneer said that it was coming out with an adapter cable soon (and they did, it was $60). So I bought it but it still wouldn't display apps. I called Pioneer and they said to make sure I had all software updates installed and to call back.
The problem is, I tried downloading the updates and burning them onto FAT32 thumb drives and then installing them according to the directions on Pioneer's website. The AppRadio would not recognize any of the thumb drives (I tried four). I formatted the thumb drives on my Mac at first, then on Windows 7. I always got the same error. I called Pioneer, they tried to help me, but admitted that they themselves could not tell what the problem was. I asked if they wanted me to send it back for an exchange, they said that I could not, since I bought it at a third party car stereo store (the AppRadio was new when I bought it, not used). The store said that I had to go through Pioneer to get a replacement. Pioneer suggested that I try to install the updates via a preinstalled thumb drive that they could send me...for a $35 dollar fee (shipping was extra). That didn't work either. So now I am out an additional $95+ and still cannot do more than play music, Pandora radio, and link to my phone for calls.
Gets better - when I first plug in the iPhone, Pandora opens up and starts playing. Every time. There was no stopping it (I eventually uninstalled Pandora from my iPhone 5). There was also the pop-up window prompting me to allow the AppRadio app to launch. It popped up every time, right after Pandora launched. That also would not go away. When I try to play music, about 50% of the time the music would play, but the song title, album artwork, anything displayed on the AppRadio screen would freeze. Music would still play - the pause/play, back/forward buttons would still work, but nothing else would change on the screen. And less often (but still irritating), the video controls would appear when the AppRadio first started up and then would not go away unless I unplugged the iPhone and then plugged it back in. Remember I could not play video. So I then couldn't do anything except use my iPhone to change songs, etc.
This was such a waste of my money I cannot in good conscience recommend Pioneer products to anyone. Pioneer really make a turkey of a car stereo, I for sure will never buy their products again.
The link to this MR post is "https://www.macrumors.com/2014/03/12/pioneer-airplay-compatibility/"
Just sayin...
Just sayin...
So, knowing nothing about car accessories or cars themselves beyond that they go from point A to point B, how would these work? Do they make installable dash-mount navigation screens that would sit on top of the dash of a car that wasn't designed to have one (aka, my old 2006 Honda Civic with a plain old radio-and-CD-player dash)? That'd be great if I could buy something like this and have it installed, I just can't visualize how oogly that would look.
Usually you pull out the old head unit and replace it with a Pioneer, Alpine, Kenwood, etc head unit. A car specific mount is almost always required, especially these days.
My aftermarket stereo is the most valuable part of my car.
The nice thing about an aftermarket head is that you can move it from car to car. So, you could always buy it now, use it till you get rid of your car and then move it to the new car. It would also make your buying decision less contained if you didn't have to buy a brand that offered CarPlay.
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And also a wiring harness. You often also lose things like door chimes unless you buy a wiring harness that replaces that.
This might also be a little more complicated if you want to try to integrate it with steering wheel controls. That would be the only plus in my mind with getting it installed at the factory.
My aftermarket stereo is the most valuable part of my car.
The nice thing about an aftermarket head is that you can move it from car to car. So, you could always buy it now, use it till you get rid of your car and then move it to the new car. It would also make your buying decision less contained if you didn't have to buy a brand that offered CarPlay.
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And also a wiring harness. You often also lose things like door chimes unless you buy a wiring harness that replaces that.
This might also be a little more complicated if you want to try to integrate it with steering wheel controls. That would be the only plus in my mind with getting it installed at the factory.
That's why I buy from Crutchfield. It usually costs more than what I could get from Amazon for just the head unit but they include car specific instructions, mounts, antenna adapters, and harnesses for free. Totally worth it to reduce the hassle.
It's like a wireless headset for your wireless phone.
No one would buy one. They would just use rubber bands to strap the phone to their skull. Much cheaper.
Similarly, people will still dig their phones out of their pockets to do all the touchscreen interaction. This car integration will be as much of a failure as bluetooth was.
Will something like this integrate with steering wheel and dashboard controls? Ideally I hope there's an adapter that allows for Carplay thats a hidden unit.
Pioneer Working on Aftermarket CarPlay Compatibility
I'd imagine, yes as the first integrated solutions all use the steering wheel buttons to invoke CarPlay. You can get car specific harnesses that will allow you to use your car's media buttons already with aftermarket head units.
I'd imagine, yes as the first integrated solutions all use the steering wheel buttons to invoke CarPlay. You can get car specific harnesses that will allow you to use your car's media buttons already with aftermarket head units.
This is a report coming from some low level phone rep. The chances that they know anything is VERY slim. They'll say anything to make people happy and get them off the phone.
I want it to be true but I don't have a ton of hope until we have a much more legit source.
I want it to be true but I don't have a ton of hope until we have a much more legit source.
I paid $12 for my mount and $4 for my wiring harness. Crutchfield wanted over $150 more than Amazon was charging for the exact same AppRadio 3 and would not price match. Crutchfield is stupidly overpriced and always has been. The harness and mounting kits are super cheap.
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They made them for 2 years ('95-'97) and they didn't sell for crud and they were only available in Japan. That's hardly a long history. If you dated a girl for a couple years and broke up with her 17 years ago, you wouldn't say "We have a long history together."
Pioneer Working on Aftermarket CarPlay Compatibility
The unit I just bought was $25 more on Crutchfield. To get the harness, adapter and mount would've been $40 so I saved $15 by going with them instead. I stayed away from AppRadio though and went with a BT unit so maybe the lower end is better matched by Critchfield.
The unit I just bought was $25 more on Crutchfield. To get the harness, adapter and mount would've been $40 so I saved $15 by going with them instead. I stayed away from AppRadio though and went with a BT unit so maybe the lower end is better matched by Critchfield.
My credit card is down!
The best ios in the car integration was the iphone itself as the controller. O car made it but then lost out by being lazy and not updating their buggy units which could have made lots of money.
This ios in the car & pioneer relationship could be the answer to my thread https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1687436/
The best ios in the car integration was the iphone itself as the controller. O car made it but then lost out by being lazy and not updating their buggy units which could have made lots of money.
This ios in the car & pioneer relationship could be the answer to my thread https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1687436/
for anybody interested in Pioneer's email, i had asked them about CarPlay and whether they would support it w/ say a new AppRadio model. this is what they said:
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they do, and the AR3 is okay...but not great. my main two beefs:
- no good iOS mapping app. Waze simply doesnt cut it, i want Apple Maps, Garmin USA, or Google Maps on AppRadio and it isnt there.
- scrolling in music app is janky. really janky.
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no. CarPlay is based on iOS. it's an outbound video signal that responds to inbound touch events relayed to it by a head unit.
i dont think you know that. CarPlay as demonstrated worked w/ head units that run the OS youre referring to, but you dont know if Apple's "spec" referenced by Pioneer supports other platforms. if it's a set of APIs, then there is nothing stopping AppRadio (which is Windows CE-based) from supporting CarPlay signals.
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regardless of year released, the hope is CarPlay compatibility will reside in AR4.
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funny you mention this -- that's exactly what happens w/ my AppRadio3 today...i hit a big bump and the song skips to the next track.
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nope. iOS runs atop the head unit's OS, not the other way. think of the iOS device w/ CarPlay as a server and it interacts w/ the client head unit, sending video and receiving touch input. these are two different OSes interacting w/ each other via a published API (application programming interface).
Thank you for contacting Pioneer Electronics (USA) Inc.
At the Geneva Motor Show, Apple announced CarPlay and has finalized and shared the CarPlay specification.
Currently, Pioneer is studying the possibility to implement CarPlay compatibility with both existing and future products.
Sincerely,
[redacted]
Customer Service Representative
At the Geneva Motor Show, Apple announced CarPlay and has finalized and shared the CarPlay specification.
Currently, Pioneer is studying the possibility to implement CarPlay compatibility with both existing and future products.
Sincerely,
[redacted]
Customer Service Representative
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they do, and the AR3 is okay...but not great. my main two beefs:
- no good iOS mapping app. Waze simply doesnt cut it, i want Apple Maps, Garmin USA, or Google Maps on AppRadio and it isnt there.
- scrolling in music app is janky. really janky.
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no. CarPlay is based on iOS. it's an outbound video signal that responds to inbound touch events relayed to it by a head unit.
i dont think you know that. CarPlay as demonstrated worked w/ head units that run the OS youre referring to, but you dont know if Apple's "spec" referenced by Pioneer supports other platforms. if it's a set of APIs, then there is nothing stopping AppRadio (which is Windows CE-based) from supporting CarPlay signals.
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regardless of year released, the hope is CarPlay compatibility will reside in AR4.
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funny you mention this -- that's exactly what happens w/ my AppRadio3 today...i hit a big bump and the song skips to the next track.
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nope. iOS runs atop the head unit's OS, not the other way. think of the iOS device w/ CarPlay as a server and it interacts w/ the client head unit, sending video and receiving touch input. these are two different OSes interacting w/ each other via a published API (application programming interface).
Payments are for idiots who like funding the banking industry.
The entire point of the article is about your pending ability to retrofit CarPlay (via Pioneer and others) into your current car, or a preowned car you can actually afford.
Uh yes, it always cost more to have in-dash packages installed. Have you purchased a new car in a while?
but this article is about third-party, aftermarket head units -- which have absolutely no bearing on your car payment.
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all of which are things that arent screwed up. FireWire was the standard IO for camcorders for many years, and FW drives outperformed USB, i use one today still. TB is even better. i use AirPrint on a non-AirPrint printer every day. and Lightning is great. not sure what youre doing wrong?
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if you cant afford a $300 Pioneer AppRadio double-din head unit, then you arent in the game. sorry.
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no -- aftermarket head units like these sit *in* your dash, not on it. most cars use standard, swappable stereos that take up either a single DIN or a double-DIN spot. you car's dash is molded to hide this, but aftermarket installs are very common.
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yes, Pioneer's current AppRadio models support steering wheel control adapters...these kits line up the pins from the wheel to the head unit to execute the commands sent to it.
All reports Ive heard its janky at best.
The deck in your link is archaic, doesn't even spec HD Radio, which kills 4 stations I listen to.
This is a report coming from some low level phone rep. The chances that they know anything is VERY slim. They'll say anything to make people happy and get them off the phone.
I want it to be true but I don't have a ton of hope until we have a much more legit source.
we werent on the phone. and if you read the email (posted above), youll see it looks like a canned reponse -- something written by management, not the fellow who sent the email.
there is no reason to doubt what it said -- that they are reviewing the possibility of implementing it. you know, like they do for all the apple APIs -- iPod Control, Siri Eyes-Free, etc... this is their business as an aftermarket head unit manufacturer. whether they will or not is another story, but clearly theyre interested, because we the consumers are interested.
Even my 2005 Acura can take a double/single DIN. You're gonna have a hard time convincing me a Civic of similar vintage can't.