slu said:
I am less than 20 years old, I'm 16.
And to contradict you, I am quite talented on the Tenor Saxophone and am beginning to play the Soprano Recorder (quite a bit different with the embouchure).
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I am less than 20 years old, I'm 16.
And to contradict you, I am quite talented on the Tenor Saxophone and am beginning to play the Soprano Recorder (quite a bit different with the embouchure).
regre7 said:
how is this contradicting him/her
did you miss the word and in there?
unless your admitting that you steal music then you don't really contradict him/her, just make him/her half right
Music_Producer said:
Rest assured, if that's your attitude towards music, you will never catch me downloading your soulless, corporate compositions.
I would kill to write a song that was downloaded over a half a million times! I would pay to produce the album myself if I thought that was likely.
BTW, please share with me the economic analysis where you determined that you lost hundreds of thousands of dollars. Unless you are L.A. Reid I guarantee that your logic is flawed. Hopefully this will also put your mind at ease.
savar said:
i may not make a living through my music, but there ARE people who do.
some people do nothing but flame here on the boards. really, it's too bad.
eva01 said:how is this contradicting him/her
did you miss the word and in there?
unless your admitting that you steal music then you don't really contradict him/her, just make him/her half right
A AND B means both A and B are true. If either A or B is false, then the proposition 'A AND B' is false- not 50% correct. You're being facetious- but the teenager knows the rules of logic better than you!
Thank you commonpeople. By inserting AND, you make a requirement for both conditions to be true.
T [AND] F = F
T [OR] F = T
If you'd care to read a few posts back, you'll find that I did admit to downloading music from file sharing networks (aka: stealing).
T [AND] F = F
T [OR] F = T
eva01 said:
If you'd care to read a few posts back, you'll find that I did admit to downloading music from file sharing networks (aka: stealing).
EricNau said:This thread should be closed. It started out as an innocent question and some members had to chime in justifying and defending illegal activities.
Not to mention confusing the issue by conflating copyright infringement and theft, which is a seriously tired issue.
The only people with flawed logic are those who are trying to justify stealing (yes, I said STEALING) music.savar said:
slu said:
I'm 17, I've been playing the piano for basically my entire life, I know how to play multiple instruments and enjoy tinkering around with Reason and Garageband.
Yeah, I steal music sometimes. Most of the time I end up buying the song/album, i.e. I have the new Tool album preordered on Amazon right now, but got it a week or so back online. After all, there's just something I enjoy about driving to Amoeba Music and other similar stores and splurging some money on a bunch of new albums.
Yeah, I know it's a ****** thing and I'm screwing a lot of people over. That still doesn't defeat the fact that the RIAA et al are also screwing over the artists and the consumers at the same time. People who pirate music aren't the only ones to blame here.
i hate ignorant posts like "you guys are so young.. make your own money.. blah blah blah"
why dont u "mature, hardworking" people just lay off us young people and stop acting like a cynic. just because you wasted your life on the computers doesn't mean we should join you in your misery. some of us here make money. it's a rebellious thing to do anyway. im sure you were ONCE a teenager and liked "stickin it to the man". it's just a phase. but that doesn't give you the right for you to be a hypocrite and condemn the teen spirit.
why dont u "mature, hardworking" people just lay off us young people and stop acting like a cynic. just because you wasted your life on the computers doesn't mean we should join you in your misery. some of us here make money. it's a rebellious thing to do anyway. im sure you were ONCE a teenager and liked "stickin it to the man". it's just a phase. but that doesn't give you the right for you to be a hypocrite and condemn the teen spirit.
In some places the "teen spirit" is vandalizing (ie:graffiti), does that mean we should support it?Philberttheduck said:
Many teens are involved in gangs who murder random mothers and children, should we support that also?
Proof, on a very small scale, that this world is going down the sh*tter resides within this thread. Proof that some of us have been raised to be whiny "Just because I don't want to work for it doesn't mean I'm not entitled to it" brats. Stealing is stealing, a million spins could be put on it. If I take a crap on my kitchen floor I can't sit here and say "Well other people do it so it's ok." or "I'm young so it's ok" or "I didn't take a crap I defecated." or "The floor doesn't have the same quality that floors had years ago." The bottom line is I took a crap on the kitchen floor and for those of you who are unclear on the subject, crapping on the kitchen floor is wrong. As is stealing. No excuse is going to cut it on this issue, but whatever helps you sleep at night.
Just for the record, I never made any excuses for my actions. I just don't care.jadekitty24 said:
What can I say, I'm just a bad person. But it helps that I'm honest... *gulp* right...?
Democrat622 said:i personally, as a musician (and very low paid one at that!
a jerk at school who uses limewire on his peecee says that he can't get caught for downloading copyrighted stuff 'cause he's not on the web and his external ip can't be traced. he also says "nobody" gets sued for using limewire, and that music from a CD won't work with his iPod.
after i got him scared about the RIAA, he asked if he'd be ok if he stopped downloading and uploading, then deleted all of his illegit music.
can he actually be traced?
do many people get sued by the RIAA for piracy?
is he legit if he stops pirating?
I had a guy in my school downloading music of Kazaa onto the school's Student Store computer.
Please don't bash this account for being an immature way of handling it. It was back in high school
And me and the guys sitting next to me were all anti-piracy guys.A guy in my networking class used some sort of exploit to get the PeeCee to spit out the password (which was actually "spit")- Windows 98 is not very secure- and we got in to the computer. We found hundreds of mp3s. We played a series of pranks on the pirates- for example, we changed the desktop image to "I see you". We also put the SubSeven trojan in their startup, and then accessed the trojan and ordered the PC to flip the screen upside down or make weird noises or invert the mouse and stuff like that. Not very mature, I know, but hey, it was high school
After a couple days, we ordered SubSeven to remove itself from their computer, and reported to the principle about the illegal downloading on school equipment. Don't know if he did anything.
Yes, I'm evil
And pirates sicken me. Absolutely sicken.
Democrat622 said:i personally, as a musician (and very low paid one at that!
a jerk at school who uses limewire on his peecee says that he can't get caught for downloading copyrighted stuff 'cause he's not on the web and his external ip can't be traced. he also says "nobody" gets sued for using limewire, and that music from a CD won't work with his iPod.
after i got him scared about the RIAA, he asked if he'd be ok if he stopped downloading and uploading, then deleted all of his illegit music.
can he actually be traced?
do many people get sued by the RIAA for piracy?
is he legit if he stops pirating?
Your jerk at school is an idiot. IPs are easy to trace.
However, the RIAA is *mostly* targetted Kazaa, and with millions of pirates the chances of him being sued is very, very low. It could theoretically happen.
"music from a CD won't work with his iPod"? Okay, he's REALLY stupid now. Tell him iTunes will import (rip) CD's and copy them to his iPod with one click.
If he stops pirating and deletes all his music (so LimeWire isn't sharing it with others) he's probably safe, because LimeWire doesn't keep records- the RIAA usually catches people in the act, I *think*.
LMAO. There's no argument here. It's a simple matter of fact.EricNau said:
Downloading music is, by definition, a violation of copyright law. It is *not* theft. If I download the new Britney Spears album, I'm not *stealing* anything. I'm merely *copying* a series of bits from one piece of media to another. I have no *right* to that copy, so it's a violation of *copyright*.
The act of downloading music a violation of copyright. The act of walking into Wal-Mart or Best Buy, pocketing a CD, and walking out is one of shoplifting. One is theft, the other is not.
Both cheat the band (and, to a much larger degree, the record company) out of some money, but only one of them is categorized as theft. The other is not.
You may have been brainwashed or otherwise convinced that downloading is theft (the RIAA and MPAA love that line -- "Downloading is Stealing!"), but you're simply incorrect.
I'm not defending or justifying the act of downloading music here. Whether it be theft or copyright violation, it's still a violation of the law (in the US, at least). I just get tired of the "DOWNLOADING IS STEALING!" camp thinking they're so righteous when they're referencing the wrong laws.
Chris is right. Downloading files is not technically stealing. By the definition given earlier, it lays reason to TANGIBLE, physical property.
How much money do people REALLY think that Artists get from Actual CD's, or downloads from online services? Jack compared to what the record companies make after their recording studio costs, and other expenses such as packaging, marketing, and distribution.
The ARTIST should be making the money. Which Is why I support the guys you never hear on the radio. PWEI? KMFDM? The Shins? These guys make more money than your MTV branded crap-tastical artists. OR those who simply care about the money. There's more to music than money, and whoever doesn't get that should not be discussing the piracy issue.
How much money do people REALLY think that Artists get from Actual CD's, or downloads from online services? Jack compared to what the record companies make after their recording studio costs, and other expenses such as packaging, marketing, and distribution.
The ARTIST should be making the money. Which Is why I support the guys you never hear on the radio. PWEI? KMFDM? The Shins? These guys make more money than your MTV branded crap-tastical artists. OR those who simply care about the money. There's more to music than money, and whoever doesn't get that should not be discussing the piracy issue.
For many, their job is more than just a "job," they enjoy what they do, but that does not mean they are not entitled to their paycheck.Onizuka said:
OLD ELPASO said:
ROFL, that's precisely why I hate pirates.
Pirates cost the companies I wish to support money...and then in turn force them to take anti-piracy techniques which limit me, the legal person, but hardly harms the pirates because they crack it.
This is exactly correct. DRM and copy protection do nothing except inconvenience legitimate consumers.GFLPraxis said:
http://www.musiccreators.ca
1. Suing Our Fans is Destructive and Hypocritical
Artists do not want to sue music fans. The labels have been suing our fans against our will, and laws enabling these suits cannot be justified in our names. We oppose any copyright reforms that would make it easier for record companies to do this. The government should repeal provisions of the Copyright Act that allow labels to unfairly punish fans who share music for non-commercial purposes with statutory damages of $500 to $20,000 per song.
2. Digital Locks are Risky and Counterproductive
Artists do not support using digital locks to increase the labels control over the distribution, use and enjoyment of music or laws that prohibit circumvention of such technological measures. The government should not blindly implement decade-old treaties designed to give control to major labels and take choices away from artists and consumers. Laws should protect artists and consumers, not restrictive technologies. Consumers should be able to transfer the music they buy to other formats under a right of fair use, without having to pay twice.
3. Cultural Policy Should Support Actual Canadian Artists
The vast majority of new Canadian music is not promoted by major labels, which focus mostly on foreign artists. The government should use other policy tools to support actual Canadian artists and a thriving musical and cultural scene. The government should make a long-term commitment to grow support mechanisms like the Canada Music Fund and FACTOR, invest in music training and education, create limited tax shelters for copyright royalties, protect artists from inequalities in bargaining power and make collecting societies more transparent.
CMCC Members:
Barenaked Ladies, Avril Lavigne, Sarah McLachlan, Chantal Kreviazuk, Sum 41, Stars, Raine Maida (Our Lady Peace), Dave Bidini (Rheostatics), Billy Talent, John K. Samson (Weakerthans), Broken Social Scene, Sloan, Andrew Cash and Bob Wiseman (Co-founder Blue Rodeo)
1. Suing Our Fans is Destructive and Hypocritical
Artists do not want to sue music fans. The labels have been suing our fans against our will, and laws enabling these suits cannot be justified in our names. We oppose any copyright reforms that would make it easier for record companies to do this. The government should repeal provisions of the Copyright Act that allow labels to unfairly punish fans who share music for non-commercial purposes with statutory damages of $500 to $20,000 per song.
2. Digital Locks are Risky and Counterproductive
Artists do not support using digital locks to increase the labels control over the distribution, use and enjoyment of music or laws that prohibit circumvention of such technological measures. The government should not blindly implement decade-old treaties designed to give control to major labels and take choices away from artists and consumers. Laws should protect artists and consumers, not restrictive technologies. Consumers should be able to transfer the music they buy to other formats under a right of fair use, without having to pay twice.
3. Cultural Policy Should Support Actual Canadian Artists
The vast majority of new Canadian music is not promoted by major labels, which focus mostly on foreign artists. The government should use other policy tools to support actual Canadian artists and a thriving musical and cultural scene. The government should make a long-term commitment to grow support mechanisms like the Canada Music Fund and FACTOR, invest in music training and education, create limited tax shelters for copyright royalties, protect artists from inequalities in bargaining power and make collecting societies more transparent.
CMCC Members:
Barenaked Ladies, Avril Lavigne, Sarah McLachlan, Chantal Kreviazuk, Sum 41, Stars, Raine Maida (Our Lady Peace), Dave Bidini (Rheostatics), Billy Talent, John K. Samson (Weakerthans), Broken Social Scene, Sloan, Andrew Cash and Bob Wiseman (Co-founder Blue Rodeo)