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Plane Crashes into Hudson River

And the passengers lucked out. None of their luggage was destroyed. Because it was US Airways, all of their luggage was actually put on a plane destined for somewhere in the middle of Siberia. Of course, the people on the flight to Siberia will wonder where their luggage is once they land :D
 
r.j.s said:
Because anything you put there would restrict intake.
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ditto and also, I would think the intake sucking power (probably a proper term for that) :) is probably so strong that nothing can fit on the engine without getting sucked in?
 
One could argue that we shouldn't be making a big deal of this. An airplane had a problem that was unpreventable. The pilot did what they are trained and paid to do. The rest of the crew then did what they are trained paid to do.
The plane performed to spec (i.e. it didn't break up, the doors opened, the flotation devices floated, it didn't catch fire). People and plane did what they were supposed to do - it newsworthy only because it happens so seldom.

And yes, if I was on the plane, or had loved ones on the plane I would be freaking out too. I'm just trying to point out that airline training and equipment have now improved so much, that something that used to end - always - in tragedy now ends in a few wet feet.

Hats off not just to the flight crew, but to the trainers and plane designers, and all those other people who make this possible.
 
snberk103 said:
One could argue that we shouldn't be making a big deal of this. An airplane had a problem that was unpreventable. The pilot did what they are trained and paid to do. The rest of the crew then did what they are trained paid to do.
The plane performed to spec (i.e. it didn't break up, the doors opened, the flotation devices floated, it didn't catch fire). People and plane did what they were supposed to do - it newsworthy only because it happens so seldom.

And yes, if I was on the plane, or had loved ones on the plane I would be freaking out too. I'm just trying to point out that airline training and equipment have now improved so much, that something that used to end - always - in tragedy now ends in a few wet feet.

Hats off not just to the flight crew, but to the trainers and plane designers, and all those other people who make this possible.
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It is a BIG deal.

Training prepares you for established, thought out, studied, and analyzed situations. in simulators you don't die or kill passengers. When the training is over you go home.

Remembering my sub days; fire in the engine room or flooding in the forward compartment. Whole different world from the training drills.
 
snberk103 said:
One could argue that we shouldn't be making a big deal of this. An airplane had a problem that was unpreventable. The pilot did what they are trained and paid to do. The rest of the crew then did what they are trained paid to do.
The plane performed to spec (i.e. it didn't break up, the doors opened, the flotation devices floated, it didn't catch fire). People and plane did what they were supposed to do - it newsworthy only because it happens so seldom.

And yes, if I was on the plane, or had loved ones on the plane I would be freaking out too. I'm just trying to point out that airline training and equipment have now improved so much, that something that used to end - always - in tragedy now ends in a few wet feet.

Hats off not just to the flight crew, but to the trainers and plane designers, and all those other people who make this possible.
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Actually it's one of the very few safe water landings ever, so yeah it's sort of important.
 
bruinsrme said:
It is a BIG deal.

Training prepares you for established, thought out, studied, and analyzed situations. in simulators you don't die or kill passengers. When the training is over you go home.

Remembering my sub days; fire in the engine room or flooding in the forward compartment. Whole different world from the training drills.
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But that makes my point. You trained in a simulator, you had to use that training, you are still here to argue with me.

Please know, I am not actually trying to downplay the severity of might have happened, and I know that nailing a perfect water landing under these circumstances is pretty slim. I'm trying to make a point that all that training, and well designed equipment, paid off to create an event where people merely got their feet wet.

There are unsung heros here as well - they are people who created the training regime, designed the plane.
 
Consultant said:
Actually it's one of the very few safe water landings ever, so yeah it's sort of important.
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You have to distinguish between crashes where the pilot had control of the plane, trying to land on the water - and crashes where the plane ended up in the water due to pilot error, or out of control due to mechanical difficulties that seriously compromised control. There was a case of a plane landing in Puget sound 50 years ago. Most of the other examples I came up with the pilot was not attempting a water landing.

See my note above, I'm not trying to downplay the seriousness.... I'm trying to point out that things worked really really well.
 
snberk103 said:
But that makes my point. You trained in a simulator, you had to use that training, you are still here to argue with me.

Please know, I am not actually trying to downplay the severity of might have happened, and I know that nailing a perfect water landing under these circumstances is pretty slim. I'm trying to make a point that all that training, and well designed equipment, paid off to create an event where people merely got their feet wet.

There are unsung heros here as well - they are people who created the training regime, designed the plane.
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Training only goes so far. When I was involved in those two occurences on the sub there was fear, anxiety, urgency, adrenaline, confusion and high emotion. those things I NEVER felt in the trainers or during drills. Training affords people in that situation to be able to think and make that HOLY SHi& and WTF a little less HOLY SHI& and WTF

The piolt actual was one of the safety instructors.

So yes I agree with you there are many other factors that play into this, Crew, pilot, co-pilot, plane and equipment that made this all possible.

Any idea how they are gonna get that plane out of the water.
 
pilotError said:
A screen over the engine would just make cubes out of whatever was headed into the intake anyway.
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...or knock the screen into the engine with whatever foreign object was heading into it.

Keebler said:
amazing at that first photo and how they were just standing on the wing in the water not panicking. amazing.
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Some of them were probably in shock. Stepping out of a rapidly filling aircraft onto the wing in the middle of the Hudson would put most of us in a weird mental space.
 
what shocks me is if you look at the pictures closely some are wearing the yellow life vests while others aren't. Where are the ones that aren't wearing life vests? Is it only for first class passengers or do you have to pay extra?
I forgot what channel showed videos of a boat tossing life vests to the people standing on the wings.
 
puckhead193 said:
what shocks me is if you look at the pictures closely some are wearing the yellow life vests while others aren't. Where are the ones that aren't wearing life vests? Is it only for first class passengers or do you have to pay extra?
I forgot what channel showed videos of a boat tossing life vests to the people standing on the wings.
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Upon impact from what has been said, everything was thrown upwards; passengers hit their heads on the ceiling, seat sections lots their attachments from the floor, et al. If this was the case, many of the seating sets may have been turned in such a matter where access to the life vests was limited; exiting the aircraft was more important than spending time turning over seats.
 
puckhead193 said:
what shocks me is if you look at the pictures closely some are wearing the yellow life vests while others aren't. Where are the ones that aren't wearing life vests? Is it only for first class passengers or do you have to pay extra?
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First class get tailored navy blue pin-striped life vests. As someone who travels first class often I can tell you I'd sooner perish than be seen in a yellow vest.
 
We're only in January, and we've already got a contender for the feel-good story of the year. All passengers rescued, and the pilot did one helluva job.

It's funny -- years ago there was this goofy disaster movie, "Airport '79", in which something similar happened, except that the plane was much more deeply submerged. And I remember thinking of the entire concept, "What a load of malarkey."

Doesn't seem so far-fetched now.

bruinsrme said:
Any idea how they are gonna get that plane out of the water.
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They'll probably put Rush Limbaugh under it and inflate his ego.
 
They'll probably pull a crane barge in there. Alternatively they could destroy the plane and let it sink. Then sell sightseeing tours on glass bottomed boats!
 
apsterling said:
They'll probably pull a crane barge in there. Alternatively they could destroy the plane and let it sink. Then sell sightseeing tours on glass bottomed boats!
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1 i don't think you'll be able to see it
2. Do you really want to see bodies too :confused:


:p
 
I'm waiting for PETA to make some report about the needless slaughter of the geese. :)
 
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