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It's hard to hit 70% original capacity in a year unless you're charging 2-3 times a day every day which means you're a super heavy user.
Also, the battery becomes useless after it hits 80%.
Also, colder temperatures tend to impact the battery negatively even if the battery is brand new due to the impact on the ion movement in the battery. Shutdowns are expected when operating in extreme temperatures.
It's now 83% now that I'm back in warm home - when i came back from cold it said 71% :D (health via coconut)
 
On iOS 11.3 or earlier, my X used to give 4 hrs of screen time from 100% to 60%. With 8-10 hrs of total screen usage.

As of iOS 12 (all versions), my X (earlier 100% battery initially on iOS 12, now 97% battery) comes down to 60% in about 2.5 hrs of screen usage with a total screen usage of 5-7 hrs with similar usage.

My 7 met the same fate as iOS 10/11 progressed. Initially 8+ hrs and later barely 6. With a near fresh battery.

My mom’s 7 started with 9 hrs screen usage and is now down to 4ish with a 100% battery on iOS 12.

Many of these devices have been DFU restored and started clean without a backup.

Happens across every single iPhone.

Will happen to XS series as the year progresses. And so on.

I can confirm this

If you guys can't see the fact that newer hardware is more efficient at performing the same tasks relative to the older devices and that each iOS updates introduce more features than the older versions then I can guarantee you that you'd be miserable for life.
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It's now 83% now that I'm back in warm home - when i came back from cold it said 71% :D (health via coconut)

Coconut battery is just an approximation and you shouldn't be solely relying on the stats. And even to hit 83% in a year, you have to be a significantly heavy user as opposed to most.
 
You should realize that iOS 12 is loaded with more features than iOS 10 which requires more processing power. Providing the iOS with more battery capacity doesn't reduce the power requirements. So, I wouldn't call it Planned Obsolescence in your case.
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What new feature on iOS12 impacted the battery life? Or are you just taking a general brush stroke to say the newer the more power hungry it is?
 
Should I presume my previous post as quoted below sufficiently answered your questions then?


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A degraded battery does deliver worse battery life compared to a newer battery.
But why do updated devices with new batteries fare worse in most cases than devices in the original iOS version with degraded batteries? With all due respect, what you say is incorrect.
Edit: because of lack of optimisation? That's Apple's fault.
 
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Coconut battery is just an approximation and you shouldn't be solely relying on the stats. And even to hit 83% in a year, you have to be a significantly heavy user as opposed to most.

well, iphone itself says 88% and reduced performance, but despite reduced performance i get spontaneous shutdowns when charge drops below 30%.
 
What new feature on iOS12 impacted the battery life? Or are you just taking a general brush stroke to say the newer the more power hungry it is?

The On-device processing of the information for use with Siri to start with. The faster and smoother launch of apps on iOS 12 means clocking up the CPU quick which means more battery consumption. Detailed application stats, refined notifications and I could keep going on. You're either technically not savvy or just here to troll.

A feature doesn't have to be a ground-breaking or something more obvious one to be resource intensive. It could just be a behind the screen one that just makes your experience better.

Don't just say things to prove your point. You might come out as ignorant.
 
The On-device processing of the information for use with Siri to start with. The faster and smoother launch of apps on iOS 12 means clocking up the CPU quick which means more battery consumption. Detailed application stats, refined notifications and I could keep going on. You're either technically not savvy or just here to troll.

A feature doesn't have to be a ground-breaking or something more obvious one to be resource intensive. It could just be a behind the screen one that just makes your experience better.

Don't just say things to prove your point. You might come out as ignorant.

Siri is disabled on my SE.

Understood higher CPU clock means quicker battery drain. So one of the biggest selling point of iOS 12 is actually cancelled out by its negative effect on battery. GREAT!

Detailed app stats? How that impact battery? And how does that impact me if I don't even check it?

Refined notification impacts battery? Huh?

Please keep going on because you are either technically not savvy or just here to troll.

Or perhaps, just food for thought, Apple decided NOT to optimize battery life for older device so my SE battery life is nowhere as good as it once was?

Just a thought.
 
Siri is disabled on my SE.

Understood higher CPU clock means quicker battery drain. So one of the biggest selling point of iOS 12 is actually cancelled out by its negative effect on battery. GREAT!

Detailed app stats? How that impact battery? And I don't even check that.

Refined notification impacts battery? Huh?

Please keep going on because you are either technically not savvy or just here to troll.

Lol now you've proven you're both technically ignorant and a troll.

iOS 12 does indeed raise the CPU clocking quickly to provide the necessary power for the tasks and then clocks it down soon as it's done. That doesn't make the older processors more efficient. There's a sweet spot between performance and battery efficiency without compromising either too much which is what iOS 12 has been about. They can't just boost the performance of older devices with zero impact on the battery life. One would be technically challenged to think so.

Just cuz you don't check the battery stats doesn't mean the device isn't logging continuously. Proves my point again that you're both.

How the iOS handles notifications impacts the battery including the animations and they sure have changed in iOS 12.

Anything else that you want to learn about the software today? I've got time and patience to teach.

EDIT: On-device processing isn't just for Siri. It's what identifies the faces in your photos, Significant Locations, Contacts/Calendar events in mail and messages etc. I can keep going but it only proves my point over and again.
 
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Lol now you've proven you're both technically ignorant and a troll.

iOS 12 does indeed raise the CPU clocking quickly to provide the necessary power for the tasks and then clocks it down soon as it's done. That doesn't make the older processors more efficient. There's a sweet spot between performance and battery efficiency without compromising either too much which is what iOS 12 has been about. They can't just boost the performance of older devices with zero impact on the battery life. One would be technically challenged to think so.

Just cuz you don't check the battery stats doesn't mean the device isn't logging continuously. Proves my point again that you're both.

How the iOS handles notifications impacts the battery including the animations and they sure have changed in iOS 12.

Anything else that you want to learn about the software today? I've got time and patience to teach.

EDIT: On-device processing isn't just for Siri. It's what identifies the faces in your photos, Significant Locations, Contacts/Calendar events in mail and messages etc. I can keep going but it only proves my point over and again.

LOL. Thanks for providing the entertainment.

I can understand new software requires more power to run but can't deny Apple has self-interest to protect and manage down the performance or the battery life is an effective way of getting people to upgrade.

Don't say you haven't heard any of those in the news.
 
LOL. Thanks for providing the entertainment.

I can understand new software requires more power to run but can't deny Apple has self-interest to protect and manage down the performance or the battery life is an effective way of getting people to upgrade.

Don't say you haven't heard any of those in the news.

Yes I did hear that people won't be upgrading their devices for another year or two since their devices work just as well as a Xs with iOS 12. I own a 6s and I won't be upgrading for another two years.

Didn't you hear the Xs and Xr sales being in the slump? Maybe you don't read news enough.
 
I can understand new software requires more power to run but can't deny Apple has self-interest to protect and manage down the performance or the battery life is an effective way of getting people to upgrade.
It's an interesting conjecture.
 
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Yes I did hear that people won't be upgrading their devices for another year or two since their devices work just as well as a Xs with iOS 12. I own a 6s and I won't be upgrading for another two years.

Didn't you hear the Xs and Xr sales being in the slump? Maybe you don't read news enough.

Or maybe this? https://money.cnn.com/2018/01/12/technology/apple-iphone-slow-battery-lawsuit/index.html

And you don't think the $29 battery replacement program stemmed out of the lawsuit may contribute a couple of percentage to the slower sales of new iPhones?
 
Or maybe this? https://money.cnn.com/2018/01/12/technology/apple-iphone-slow-battery-lawsuit/index.html

And you don't think the $29 battery replacement program stemmed out of the lawsuit may contribute a couple of percentage to the slower sales of new iPhones?

It's not a deal that's made to settle the lawsuit. Maybe you don't actually read the news at all.

Just changing the battery would mean nothing if the software is crappy. Newer batteries perform better than worn out ones. I guess it's not just the software that you don't understand but Chemistry too.

You're not making good arguments to support your claims.
 
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It's not a deal that's made to settle the lawsuit. Maybe you don't actually read the news at all.

Just changing the battery would mean nothing if the software is crappy. Newer batteries perform better than worn out ones. I guess it's not just the software that you don't understand but Chemistry too.

You're not making good arguments to support your claims.

Who said anything about this being a deal to settle the lawsuit? putting words in my mouth much?

It's a deal, however, to at least calm the outrage from its most loyal customers.

Software is crappy (for older devices), so you pretty much agreed but decided to insult me anyway. New battery means nothing if software is not optimized for older devices.
 
Software is crappy (for older devices), so you pretty much agreed but decided to insult me anyway. New battery means nothing if software is not optimized for older devices.

I said "IF" the software is crappy there's nothing you can do with a new battery. Putting words in my mouth much?
 
I said "IF" the software is crappy there's nothing you can do with a new battery. Putting words in my mouth much?

Here is what I said: New battery means nothing IF software is not optimized for older devices.

Reading comprehension is very much lacking for a reasonable discussion.

I AM OUT!
 
On iOS 11.3 or earlier, my X used to give 4 hrs of screen time from 100% to 60%. With 8-10 hrs of total screen usage.

As of iOS 12 (all versions), my X (earlier 100% battery initially on iOS 12, now 97% battery) comes down to 60% in about 2.5 hrs of screen usage with a total screen usage of 5-7 hrs with similar usage.

My 7 met the same fate as iOS 10/11 progressed. Initially 8+ hrs and later barely 6. With a near fresh battery.

My mom’s 7 started with 9 hrs screen usage and is now down to 4ish with a 100% battery on iOS 12.

Many of these devices have been DFU restored and started clean without a backup.

Happens across every single iPhone.

Will happen to XS series as the year progresses. And so on.

While I don’t know the exact numbers and can’t be 100% sure, it definitely feels like my iPhone X battery life is nowhere near as good on iOS 12 as iOS 11

Is there a fix for this if in fact it’s true???
 
While I don’t know the exact numbers and can’t be 100% sure, it definitely feels like my iPhone X battery life is nowhere near as good on iOS 12 as iOS 11

Is there a fix for this if in fact it’s true???

Please let me know if you find a fix.
 
Please let me know if you find a fix.

For sure man. I feel bad about it bc I wasn’t sure if it was just me or not but now that you mention it I guess it’s true.

On iOS 11 battery life was unreal. I felt like I never had to charge. Now I need to charge way more often.
 
Please let me know if you find a fix.

Based off your thread title, Could you please explain your rendition of what ‘Planned Obsolesence’ means? It seems others were also asking you in a previous thread and you keep ignoring the question, even though you consistently mention ‘Planned Obsolesence’, as if you have an idea of what it actually means.
 
After 8 months my X Battery was at 97%. My nearby Apple Authorised Service Provider (B2X Ansal Plaza) swapped it for a fresh battery for free.

Now my X is a lot snappier. Just like a new XS.
 
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