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PlayStation 4 Slim and Pro (NEO)

Taustin Powers said:
It actually works out great for me. I don't think I sit close enpugh to my tv to actually appreciate the difference when watching a 4k movie. So I don't see myself spending money on UHD discs. I'm just surprised they didn't include the drive.
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Someone at work bought an expensive 60" UHD HDR TV set and just upgraded to an XBox One S.

He said that on a bunch of the 4K UHD discs, the picture looks the same as the 1080p Blu-Ray... :eek:

It's like the movie studios are no longer even trying... :rolleyes:

(It's like a DVD I bought when the format was first introduced - was in 4:3 but WS with black bars - you had to "turn the disc over" for the other half at the same point you had to turn the LaserDisc over... LOL)
 
gkarris said:
Someone at work bought an expensive 60" UHD HDR TV set and just upgraded to an XBox One S.

He said that on a bunch of the 4K UHD discs, the picture looks the same as the 1080p Blu-Ray... :eek:

It's like the movie studios are no longer even trying... :rolleyes:

(It's like a DVD I bought when the format was first introduced - was in 4:3 but WS with black bars - you had to "turn the disc over" for the other half at the same point you had to turn the LaserDisc over... LOL)
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Actually I can concur.

I bought a fancy new 2016 4k HDR LG and the XB1S and with it Batman vs Superman and Deadpool on 4k UHD and as the discs also come with standard 1080p blu-ray I decided to play on my Ps4 connected to my standard 1080p lg for comparison.

In all honesty .... the 4k HDR ones resolution wise to me looked near identical. There were some areas where contrast levels looked better because of HDR but I couldn't tell much of a difference quality wise between the films resolution wise.

Remember films also have a ton of post processing, colouring and digital noise (cinema grain) added so that makes the difference even harder to spot.

Maybe on some 150" TV it would make a big difference but between my two 42" TV'S I just couldn't spot a big difference at all.

Given I paid €10 more for the privilege of UHD version it was a bit dossapointing tbh.

So whilst I am surprised Sony hasn't included a UHD blu-ray player. It won't stop me getting it.
 
Simply cannot believe the PS4 Pro doesn't have 4K bluray support considering Sony's media heritage.
Oh wait yes I do. They'll want you to buy their 4K vids on PSN. The Appleification of Sony.
 
Dagless said:
Simply cannot believe the PS4 Pro doesn't have 4K bluray support considering Sony's media heritage.
Oh wait yes I do. They'll want you to buy their 4K vids on PSN. The Appleification of Sony.
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On a 1tb HDD ... of all the things 1tb seems really inadequate on a device designed for 4k content.
 
gkarris said:
Someone at work bought an expensive 60" UHD HDR TV set and just upgraded to an XBox One S.

He said that on a bunch of the 4K UHD discs, the picture looks the same as the 1080p Blu-Ray... :eek:

It's like the movie studios are no longer even trying... :rolleyes:

(It's like a DVD I bought when the format was first introduced - was in 4:3 but WS with black bars - you had to "turn the disc over" for the other half at the same point you had to turn the LaserDisc over... LOL)
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MRU said:
Actually I can concur.

I bought a fancy new 2016 4k HDR LG and the XB1S and with it Batman vs Superman and Deadpool on 4k UHD and as the discs also come with standard 1080p blu-ray I decided to play on my Ps4 connected to my standard 1080p lg for comparison.

In all honesty .... the 4k HDR ones resolution wise to me looked near identical. There were some areas where contrast levels looked better because of HDR but I couldn't tell much of a difference quality wise between the films resolution wise.

Remember films also have a ton of post processing, colouring and digital noise (cinema grain) added so that makes the difference even harder to spot.

Maybe on some 150" TV it would make a big difference but between my two 42" TV'S I just couldn't spot a big difference at all.

Given I paid €10 more for the privilege of UHD version it was a bit dossapointing tbh.

So whilst I am surprised Sony hasn't included a UHD blu-ray player. It won't stop me getting it.
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Same here. Bought an XB1S 2TB to go with my 2015 Sony 55XBR850C and bought couple of UHD discs. This is strictly my gaming setup and I sit only 4 feet away. Even with my glasses on I could not tell the difference from the 1080 disc.

Saw some videos of the PS4 Pro running 4K. Frame rate looked pretty horrible. Not a big surprise really. I have a box with a GTX1070 connected to that 4K TV and I wouldn't run it at above 1440p to maintain a decent frame rate. Think I read that the PS4Pro runs off an ATI Polaris part. I tried a Radeon RX480 and it barely maintains 60fps at 1080p. I think I'll pass. Now had Sony included 4K Bluray playback I might've been interested, since the XB1S doesn't bitstream audio.
 
iosuser said:
Same here. Bought an XB1S 2TB to go with my 2015 Sony 55XBR850C and bought couple of UHD discs. This is strictly my gaming setup and I sit only 4 feet away. Even with my glasses on I could not tell the difference from the 1080 disc.

Saw some videos of the PS4 Pro running 4K. Frame rate looked pretty horrible. Not a big surprise really. I have a box with a GTX1070 connected to that 4K TV and I wouldn't run it at above 1440p to maintain a decent frame rate. Think I read that the PS4Pro runs off an ATI Polaris part. I tried a Radeon RX480 and it barely maintains 60fps at 1080p. I think I'll pass. Now had Sony included 4K Bluray playback I might've been interested, since the XB1S doesn't bitstream audio.
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Maybe they were early demos ??

The 4k games demonstrated today and available on YouTube in 4k actually have surprisingly good and seemingly solid framerates. Mass Effect looks really nice in 4k. As did Horizon Dawn ...
 
iosuser said:
Saw some videos of the PS4 Pro running 4K. Frame rate looked pretty horrible. Not a big surprise really. I have a box with a GTX1070 connected to that 4K TV and I wouldn't run it at above 1440p to maintain a decent frame rate. Think I read that the PS4Pro runs off an ATI Polaris part. I tried a Radeon RX480 and it barely maintains 60fps at 1080p. I think I'll pass. Now had Sony included 4K Bluray playback I might've been interested, since the XB1S doesn't bitstream audio.
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MRU said:
Maybe they were early demos ??

The 4k games demonstrated today and available on YouTube in 4k actually have surprisingly good and seemingly solid framerates. Mass Effect looks really nice in 4k. As did Horizon Dawn ...
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I just got an RX 470, and videos of the RX 480 - they both do 4K - sort of...

more like 4K/30fps...

4K/60fps you will need a really high-end GPU card, and I would imagine (what people were saying online), is for the XBox Scorpio and PS5...
 
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MRU said:
Maybe they were early demos ??

The 4k games demonstrated today and available on YouTube in 4k actually have surprisingly good and seemingly solid framerates. Mass Effect looks really nice in 4k. As did Horizon Dawn ...
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Maybe. Honestly I'd be happy with a locked 60fps at 1080p. I loved every second of play Ratchet & Clank on my PS4, so much so I even bought all the previous ones for my PS3, but the 30fps was disappointing. The TV I have I actually turn on the motion processing that makes it look like 60fps with almost no lag, which is quite impressive the amount of processing power must be in the TV. Other than that, the more I think about it the more I regret buying that TV. unless we're talking 80+ inches, I think 4K is a gimmick. After buying that TV, I had to upgrade my AV receiver to HDMI2.0, new video card on my gaming box to drive the thing, and then an XB1S to play UHD Bluray which looks no better than a regular Bluray.

gkarris said:
I just got an RX 470, and videos of the RX 480 - they both do 4K - sort of...

more like 4K/30fps...

4K/60fps you will need a really high-end GPU card, and I would imagine (what people were saying online), is for the XBox Scorpio and PS5...
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Think a Pascal Titan X will be needed for 4K/60fps. A GTX1080 won't even cut it on more demanding titles.
 
iosuser said:
Maybe. Honestly I'd be happy with a locked 60fps at 1080p. I loved every second of play Ratchet & Clank on my PS4, so much so I even bought all the previous ones for my PS3, but the 30fps was disappointing. The TV I have I actually turn on the motion processing that makes it look like 60fps with almost no lag, which is quite impressive the amount of processing power must be in the TV. Other than that, the more I think about it the more I regret buying that TV. unless we're talking 80+ inches, I think 4K is a gimmick. After buying that TV, I had to upgrade my AV receiver to HDMI2.0, new video card on my gaming box to drive the thing, and then an XB1S to play UHD Bluray which looks no better than a regular Bluray.


Think a Pascal Titan X will be needed for 4K/60fps. A GTX1080 won't even cut it on more demanding titles.
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Yeah, you have to sit close to the set to take advantage of the 4K (the whole "retina display" thing).

Just because they demoed a game IN 4K doesn't mean it IS 4K... It may have been, say, 1440p and upscaled...

Who knows...

I did like they showed the PS4 Pro in 1080p with locked framerates and upgraded textures...
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Centaurr said:
What a second, can a 4k ps4 work on a 1080p TV? im confused?
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Yes, in 1080p....
 
Disappointing the PS4 Pro doesn't support UHD BD. I don't know why I'm disappointed to be honest though, I had/have no intention of buying any UHD BD...ever. Maybe just one to show off what my TV is capable of.

I think it's pretty clear the PS4 Pro will only support HDR 10 since all PS4's are getting an firmware update for HDR support next week (impressively generous of Sony since no one saw that coming). Dolby Vision requires licensing and proprietary hardware (hmm very Apple-esque of Dolby btw), being that current PS4's don't have that it's unlikely the Pro will either.

I'm going to pick one up. But currently the only game I'm looking forward to is Skyrim remastered. Depending if the Pro offers any advantages to that particular title (higher graphics fidelity, frame rate, etc) will determine whether I get it this year or after the holidays.
 
Dagless said:
Simply cannot believe the PS4 Pro doesn't have 4K bluray support considering Sony's media heritage.
Oh wait yes I do. They'll want you to buy their 4K vids on PSN. The Appleification of Sony.
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I'm with you. I'm a huge proponent of physical media(my Blu-ray collection numbers 733 individual titles) so the fact that it doesn't play 4K discs is mind boggling. Especially given what PS2 and PS3 did for DVD and Blu-ray.
 
meh, I was underwhelmed by the PS4 Pro reveal. The price point seems alright but otherwise it doesn't do much else for me. If I already had a 4K TV I'd be more excited. Maybe now I can find a good deal on an original PS4 if stores are trying to clear old inventory. Else I might go for the PS4 Slim.
 
MaulRx said:
Movies\mini-series\tv shows are my last physical holdout; I've gone digital on everything else long ago including games, music, comics, books. My total collection is over 1000 discs mostly Blu-ray except for a few favorite shows on DVD that have yet to make the HD leap and probably never will.
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I was at Half Price Books today and their Clearance DVD section was very low. Great deals at $2 & $3 each. I was wondering if people are getting them as they are tired of very high cable/dish bills as well as rising Internet Service prices (since watching Netflix/Hulu will put you over the data cap). Or did HPB just get rid of them? It is cheaper just to buy 10 movies/shows at $20 and return the ones you don't want in trade for more.


itsOver9000 said:
meh, I was underwhelmed by the PS4 Pro reveal. The price point seems alright but otherwise it doesn't do much else for me. If I already had a 4K TV I'd be more excited. Maybe now I can find a good deal on an original PS4 if stores are trying to clear old inventory. Else I might go for the PS4 Slim.
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Rumor is that the original PS4's will still be the $349 as they are bundled with current games (maybe on sale for $329 or so).
 
Well I'm not going to really see any benefits from the Pro, so I'll be getting the Slim model around the time Final Fantasy XV comes out. I really like that the Slim models are smaller, quieter and more energy efficient, so I've waited for them with the PS3 and PS4. Also the games I really want to play usually take a while to come out.

I don't like this mid-cycle upgrade stuff for gaming consoles.
 
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MRU said:
Well I just pre-ordered it with Gamestop anyway :)
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Pro?

Nice...
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Rychy said:
Well I'm not going to really see any benefits from the Pro, so I'll be getting the Slim model around the time Final Fantasy XV comes out. I really like that the Slim models are smaller, quieter and more energy efficient, so I've waited for the them with the PS3 and PS4. Also the games I really want to play usually take a while to come out.

I don't like this mid-cycle upgrade stuff for gaming consoles.
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I love the PS2 and PS3 slim models (the PS3 super-slim was horrible).

Yeah, Sega started mid-cycle upgrades and look what happened. But backwards compatibility was still hard to achieve technically back then.
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gkarris said:
Rumor is that the original PS4's will still be the $349 as they are bundled with current games (maybe on sale for $329 or so).
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I stand corrected.

500Gig PS4's New are $299 and used are $269 starting today at Gamestop.

http://www.gamestop.com/ps4
 
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From Anandtech:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10663/analyzing-sonys-playstation-4-pro-announcement

On that note, while Sony is pitching the console for 4K video and gaming, Mark Cerny was rather clear that to reach 4K gaming, they expect developers to make significant use of both spatial and temporal anti-aliasing/reprojection.to reach 4K. In other words, most of the time the console won’t actually be rendering games at 4K. This makes a lot of sense; all else held equal, the PS4 Pro needs to fill 4x as many pixels with a GPU that’s (at best) 2.3x as powerful.

This means that the number of games that natively render at 4K is by necessity going to be relatively few. Games could still render at resolutions over 1080p (e.g. 2560x1440), giving them more fidelity than current 1080p games, but various upscaling/reprojection methods will have to close the gap to 4K. Given that even the best PC GPUs have only recently reached the performance level to render the necessary 8.3Mpixels without significant quality compromises, and we’re likely a generation (or more) from consoles being able to reach that same level.
 
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