Really?? So you basically had 13 years of agony by sticking to windows and didn't bother to switch? You got some patience, lol.
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Really?? So you basically had 13 years of agony by sticking to windows and didn't bother to switch? You got some patience, lol.
people will spend that extra 1,400$ just for OSX and a thin metal shinny laptop. Who actually buys apple computers for the hardware? No one. Its 2x/3x the price of a windows PC.
I find it best to approach a new OS with a fresh mind, I'm guessing you clicked on it for 5 minutes full of loathing for Microsoft.
I went into Snow Leopard with a clear mind, with no expectations, if I'd gone in with bitter memories from when I used Tiger for 2 years in college with the endless freezes, beachballs and black screens of death from when I'd asked it to render a few minutes of SD video. I'd have left OS X hating it, not just thinking 'This just isn't for me, I feel more at home in Windows'
I have done exactly that... six times already. Enough is enough. Sometimes a turd is just a turd, no matter how much you polish it.
Then may I ask what 'agony' you experienced whilst using Windows 7? This seems a tad over the top.
Even the Mac Pro I used grinding to a halt and fatally crashing, corrupting my work every time I tried to do the simplest tasks like render 12 minutes of standard definition video.
I was having to save my work every 2 minutes onto 2 separate hard drives so that I didn't have to start my animation project from scratch and fail the deadline.
In our suite of 20 Mac Pros for that course, nearly all of them did it. I wouldn't describe it as 'agony' though. More like 'fricking annoying'
^^ Haha that was awesome. I just saw that episode last week.
I agree with pretty much everything said on this thread. No, apple does not use the bleeding-edge technology most of the time, but for 99% of people, there is no need to. Remember, we are talking about a laptop. A city driver shouldn't care if his car doesn't reach 200 mph. If you need to do work which is that intensive, get a desktop. Same thing if you want to game.
I've only had one mbp (first laptop, actually) and I'm extremely pleased with it. It has a great balance of power, stability, battery life, and aesthetics. Not to mention a big plus is having both OSX and Windows running on the same computer, as most professional applications benefit from having access to both. If a pc with the same hardware was this expensive, I'd complain too. But with apple, it's all the little features and os that add up to a superior product, not just the specs.
We don't 'need' power windows.
We don't 'need' a/c
We don't 'need' hybrid vehicles
We dont 'need' almost everything the modern car offers.
Fact is the MacBook pro is a Bugatti veyron body draped over a 1970s gas guzzling crapbox. A regular car like a Honda civic is fine for everyone so what's wrong with wanting power options or navigation and things other manufacturers offer at a much cheaper price (sandybridge).
We don't 'need' a/c
We don't 'need' hybrid vehicles
We dont 'need' almost everything the modern car offers.
Fact is the MacBook pro is a Bugatti veyron body draped over a 1970s gas guzzling crapbox. A regular car like a Honda civic is fine for everyone so what's wrong with wanting power options or navigation and things other manufacturers offer at a much cheaper price (sandybridge).
Simple:
If you need OSX then buy now.
If you need OSX and sandy bridge then wait three month and buy then.
If you don't need OSX then buy the Sony and move on.
If you don't want to spend the money for a MBP then you are not a Apple customer.
It's just a computer. Three weeks after is out nobody cares anyway. Just use it.
If you need OSX then buy now.
If you need OSX and sandy bridge then wait three month and buy then.
If you don't need OSX then buy the Sony and move on.
If you don't want to spend the money for a MBP then you are not a Apple customer.
It's just a computer. Three weeks after is out nobody cares anyway. Just use it.
Really? I was unaware that my MBP had a MOS Technology 6502 processor. You learn something new every day.
-- says the person named "AUDI". Don't know you could buy a Hyundai for significantly cheaper than an Audi?
What is striking to me is the new 15" MBP is so much more expensive from day 1 than a comparably spec-d Windows machine.
I know there is the tax and I've paid for the nice design in the past mostly for iMacs as the tax doesn't seem nearly as bad.
But the 15" MBP. $1800. WEll I bought an HP for $850 with the same cpu, more memory, bigger hard drive and the faster gpu found in the $2200 MBP.
I love the Apple design, but can't justify the $1000 for it especially day one out of the gate.
I've seen this before but typically at the end of the cycle.
It's never this bad day 1 is it?
I know there is the tax and I've paid for the nice design in the past mostly for iMacs as the tax doesn't seem nearly as bad.
But the 15" MBP. $1800. WEll I bought an HP for $850 with the same cpu, more memory, bigger hard drive and the faster gpu found in the $2200 MBP.
I love the Apple design, but can't justify the $1000 for it especially day one out of the gate.
I've seen this before but typically at the end of the cycle.
It's never this bad day 1 is it?
I've never really followed pricing that closely, but I think we're seeing additional compression on the lower tier vendors. I know some really like Dell, HP, etc.. but I've had my experiences and just don't consider them to be on par with Apple's quality and service.
Anyways, I think those vendors are in a commodity space and the only things they have to differentiate are price and specs. So they keep beating each over the head with price and it's super compressed. Meanwhile Apple has continued to tow the line with essentially the same price structure they've always had... give or take $200.
At any rate, I've owned.. or been furnished various Dell, HP, etc notebooks over the years. Aside from a Thinkpad that was pretty awesome, I wouldn't really want to own any of them. I think there are a lot of folks that feel that way so Apple continues to sell volumes.
Edit: I also don't think it's apples to apples. I continue to see friends with thick plastic chunks of notebook, that can't be away from a power adapter for 3 hours. But hey, they were cheap and have good specs..
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I'm doubtful from what you are saying is accurate, link? Additionally, I've worked for Dell (HP uses the same suppliers) and honestly, you may well regret your decision. The lifespan of a MBP due to design will outlive most other notebooks. If you are looking for a solid notebook that will last you 4-5 years and don't want a macbook, Acer would be my next suggestion, or an IBM/Lenovo Thinkpad.
Just to check, I jumped on HP's website and the Envy which is equivalent, base model is $1000, but it also comes with an i5, not an i7. Making that one change, brings the price up by $575 to $1575, to compare with the MBP 15" i7 model. Graphics card is equally comparable.
$1575 to $1800 (1750 w/ school discount) is not a massive difference IMO.
All in all, yes a Mac is "slightly" more expensive, but you have to compare apples to apples. (no pun intended
) Certainly is not $1000 in the difference.is your HP made out of glass + aluminum? Does the HP have a thunderbolt port? What about optical in/out? Does it run OS X? Is OS X free?
The two aren't the same thing.
I'm no Mac fanboy; as a matter of fact, I search high and low to find alternatives. I'd say I'm a technology lover more than a product lover. I'd also say that my girlfriend's last HP laptop failed to last more than a year and a half. My current MBP is almost 5 years old and the only problem I have with it is that the screen is cracked from my own negligence. I like the MBP's as far as laptops go, they are solid machines.
I m not a fanboy of either the PC or Apple.
I had had a white apple laptop and i loved the OS and the size/weight very nice laptop.
I had to sold it because i wanted to get a new one, and even tho it was like 3 years old i could still sell it at a good price, which you cannot do with a windows laptop. I was ofcurse looking into the new 2011 Macbook pros, you pay premium for the ''chepest model'' just because its APPLE, i was almost going to buy it but then i found the asus N43SN ( it has the same cpu BETTER GPU, more space on the HDD, same ram amount and better screen resolution)
And it costs much less.
I voted with my wallet, sorry but apple just cannot justify the price anymore
I had had a white apple laptop and i loved the OS and the size/weight very nice laptop.
I had to sold it because i wanted to get a new one, and even tho it was like 3 years old i could still sell it at a good price, which you cannot do with a windows laptop. I was ofcurse looking into the new 2011 Macbook pros, you pay premium for the ''chepest model'' just because its APPLE, i was almost going to buy it but then i found the asus N43SN ( it has the same cpu BETTER GPU, more space on the HDD, same ram amount and better screen resolution)
And it costs much less.
I voted with my wallet, sorry but apple just cannot justify the price anymore
I'm pretty much in that same boat. In fact I'm much more open regarding owing PCs on the desktop front. I'm just sold on Apple's attention to detail regarding portability and battery life. Those things really push me toward their notebooks.
I did buy an HP netbook when the old 12" Powerbook finally conked out. It's been ok but if I were buying today it would be an 11" Air.