PLEASE NOTE: Current MBP is lightyears behind!

[al2o3cr]

tl;dr: should we call you the waaambulance now?

As a previous poster mentioned, Asus, HP, Samsung and Toshiba all have sandy bridge notebooks out however it would seem that our premium priced favourites could not keep up with the competition. there has STILL not been a new mbp relearse in line with current technology nor has there been much media attention on mbp in relation to ipad and iphone. It would seem from the conference call and earnings filing released last week that these products are where the highest growth is and so the company seems to be focusing more of its inovvation efforts that. although this makes business sense, it does mean the mbp will be taking a clear backseat in terms of apples priorities.

essentially, it would seem that uptake of the mac hasnt been as great in relation to the whole pc market as apple would have like and hence is now focusing its attention on the i stuff to please investors

as a result, instead of buying last sasons left overs at overly inflated prices (and comparing the specs with any other noteok will book will reveal they are), the rational thing to do is to opt for modern (or current rather) technolodgy and go for an HP envy of the super stylish new vaio... and ofcourse close down this forum as we are unlikely to see anything great from the mbp line as they are clearly light years behind the competition

 

[aCondor]

There is a reason why Apple computer sales are growing at a rate much faster than the rest of the industry.

And how much faster is that than the rest of the industry?

I'm on your side, but it does irk me when people consistently use this growth argument when it is not the case. Apple PC market share has actually been somewhat stagnant when compared to "the rest of the industry."

tl;dr: should we call you the waaambulance now?

Another quality contribution to the thread. If your going to reply like this, why reply at all?

 

[MacDawg]

Some people want to educate those who might otherwise be taken in by the flashy Apple advertising only to realize they bought an inferior product

You really think the purpose of this thread is to educate average consumers? LOL

 

[iPhysicist]

Aha

 

[WardC]

Trust me, Apple is developing and testing a new MacBook Pro line with Sandy Bridge at the moment...it will come out, but it is under wraps at Apple R&D and they are not letting anybody know anything about it, what it looks like, and what the specs are. It will come out, eventually, but it may be April or May before we see them. I think they will be drastically re-designed and different from the current models, a completely new lineup.

 

[peskaa]

Apple refresh on regular cycles, which has its advantages and disadvantages to the discerning consumer. The advantage is that you know when there's going to be a new Apple laptop out, and can wait for it or not as necessary - whereas frequently you never know when HP/Dell/etc are going to drop a new revision, version, spec bump or whatever. I appreciate this regularity, as it allows me to plan my purchases far more.

The downside is that yes, you can end up with "old" technology still being in Apple's computers several months after being obsolete. However, you can also bet that Apple aren't going to just sit there and ignore it - the next refresh (which you know is going to be at a particular time) will have that new tech inside. So you want SandyBridge? Get the next refresh of MBP.

HP on the other hand have marketed several laptops that will have SB parts, and yet others in their lineup you have no idea if or when they'll get an update. I'd prefer to know something than not. Add in the fact that they're not shipping in volume yet, and it's a bit of a mis-nomer. Apple haven't done a refresh, but most PC makers have only updated a fraction of their products as well.

 

[Blu101]

basically what you saying is "you pay extra because its apple".

No, you pay extra because of OS X, quality materials of construction and design.

Specs on paper don't mean much, I've seen less spec'd computers wipe the floor with higher spec'd computers before, all because of the OS.

I'd also rather have apple take the time needed to make sure everything works well with minimal bugs vs a pc that's rushed tomarket and works 50% of the time.

 

[Old Muley]

You know it and I know it. The lightyear is a distance. My MBP sits right here on my desk. I can see its competitors from my chair but clearly the distance between them is less than 5 Meters. Who is wrong?

Who is wrong? kamil.amersi or the iPhysicist?

+1

I wonder how many parsecs it will take the OP to figure that out.

 

[bigjobby]

The nature of my work is such that I use both a ThinkPad & MacBook Pro. The ThinkPad is pushed hard via resource intense work. Heat is not an issue, but then again I'm using a new premium laptop, not some bargain basement brand x machine. It's a workstation class computer which is both fast & quiet. I find Windows 7 quite good for my needs. Thus as much as my personal preference is a Mac, it's advantages have been all but erased in recent times.

Certainly not arguing with you there. Those Thinkpads are class Win notebooks... well thought through designs and very robust. Wouldn't touch anything else apart from my MBP.

 

[aCondor]

Aha

Touché. In my defense, I prefer to stay one quarter behind as it is difficult to compare competitive sales data in real-time. .

basically what you saying is "you pay extra because its apple".

Well, this is true. You are paying extra for the Apple software. Similar to paying extra for Windows and Microsoft Office software on a PC. Any advertised price from PC manufacturers needs to have $199-350 added on for base software needs.

 

[Blu101]

you not getting the point. i think its the marketing - if you look at the specs, the stuff thats actually in the laptop. and you do a pricing of this. add in a labour component and a sales and distribution fee. then comapre this to the market and you will see that what is being sold is old technology. sandy bridge is the latest thing and the current price. there just is no logical business case for buying old, outdated stock at todays price.

thats if you understand the business sense behind it obviously

Stop chasing specs and start paying attention to what you enjoy using the most and what works over and over with no hiccups. You also might want to add R&D, engineering, advertising and management costs to your figures, unless you think these people work for free.

Pc is like buying a car based only on the engine under the hood - the engine is a loud v8 but the car is a POS. Mac is like buying a nice car bumper to bumper with a strong enough engine. Bumper to bumper is much, much better.

 

[Looon]

CPU performance isn't the only thing that affects the quality and value of the product...

Nobody said it was, stop putting words in my mouth.

There are "PC" laptops that are great too. Stop comparing the $300 compaq the a $1000 macbook, it's not a fair comparison.

 

[Xil3]

Stop chasing specs and start paying attention to what you enjoy using the most and what works over and over with no hiccups. You also might want to add R&D, engineering, advertising and management costs to your figures, unless you think these people work for free.

Pc is like buying a car based only on the engine under the hood - the engine is a loud v8 but the car is a POS. Mac is like buying a nice car bumper to bumper with a strong enough engine. Bumper to bumper is much, much better.

I must admit, that was well said...

I love my MBA, but I like to keep my options open as well.

 

[langis.elbasunu]

Nobody said it was, stop putting words in my mouth.

There are "PC" laptops that are great too. Stop comparing the $300 compaq the a $1000 macbook, it's not a fair comparison.

u mad bro?

 

[hfletcher]

Didn't we have this argument last year in the "Waiting for Arrandale" thread?

 

[Xil3]

Didn't we have this argument last year in the "Waiting for Arrandale" thread?

And a few years before that in the 'Waiting for Santa Rosa' thread?

 

[Vod Kanockers]

I am always confused why someone who starts a "let me enlighten you" thread doesn't just go buy the products they find to be superior

It is called choice, and we all have one

For the same reason all my friends feel the need to complain about how cheap their pc notebooks are relative to my MBP...they want to feel good about the "choice" they just made and that's hard to do with a rock solid 2 year old MBP that's still outperforming ther new pc in the room.

Just my .02

 

[Blu101]

There are "PC" laptops that are great too. Stop comparing the $300 compaq the a $1000 macbook, it's not a fair comparison.

This one goes both ways - no reference to you or anyone else in particular (just borrowing your quote ) - but I see people reference thinkpads, quad core this and that and what not - the MBP is not a desktop class laptop, or a business class laptop, so stop comparing it to that - it's a premium "pro" consumer multimedia laptop, and one of the best out there at that. What this means is the right combination of cpu, gpu, ram, battery life, OS, etc. and apple hits the sweet spot very nicely - plenty of pep with plenty of life and reliability. And it's not ugly.

 

[Alvi]

Well spoken. All that Apple seems to care about is the ultraportable iOS devices - along with the MBA.

They work really well, and have you played with that MacBook at all? It works really well, I think iOS devices and the MacBooks proove that you don't need a nuclear reactor for the daily use computers, and that apps could be lighter than they are now, if you want some gaming wait for Sandy Bridge, it's coming soon, apple just waits a bit and doesn't jump on stuff as soon as it comes up.

As a previous poster mentioned, Asus, HP, Samsung and Toshiba all have sandy bridge notebooks out however it would seem that our premium priced favourites could not keep up with the competition. there has STILL not been a new mbp relearse in line with current technology nor has there been much media attention on mbp in relation to ipad and iphone.

... and ofcourse close down this forum as we are unlikely to see anything great from the mbp line as they are clearly light years behind the competition

Oh come on, you just sound like a person that got sick of waiting a year for computers, Macs work better and they don't need so much power to work well, as I said before, Sandy Bridge is coming, Apple NEVER jumped on new technologies 5 seconds after they came out, and that's not because of their mobile Devices.
Apple's huge revenues come from the developers that use Macs, and Apple won't dump Macs for a while

 

[henrikrox]

I hate kids, that say windows is unreliable, when the last version of windows they tried probably was xp.

I love osx, but windows 7 is great OS as well.

 

[kamil.amersi]

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you not getting the point. i think its the marketing - if you look at the specs, the stuff thats actually in the laptop. and you do a pricing of this. add in a labour component and a sales and distribution fee. then comapre this to the market and you will see that what is being sold is old technology. sandy bridge is the latest thing and the current price. there just is no logical business case for buying old, outdated stock at todays price.

thats if you understand the business sense behind it obviously

Others have tried to tell you this, I'll be more blunt:

The only people that care about specs AT ALL are geeks.

That's it.

If you know how fast your machine's processor is, you're a geek.

If you're on this site, you're a geek.

The VAST majority of the world are not geeks. They don't care about specs. It is, as someone else mentioned, a binary condition:
"Does" or "Does not".

Mac hardware hits the "Does" category more often than not.

It's actually not about being a geek or not. It's about value. If I you buy a stock you want the price to equal the earnings potential. If you buy a bag of chips, you wnt the price to equal the amount of chips in it. If you buy a notebook, you want the amount of notebook to equal the price. In this case, the amount of notebook is measured by specs in it.

So if I could explain, the components like processors, ram, hard disk space are what we would call specs. So what you looking for is for these things to be equal to the price you pay.

 

[Blu101]

...It's about value. If I you buy a stock you want the price to equal the earnings potential. If you buy a bag of chips, you wnt the price to equal the amount of chips in it. If you buy a notebook, you want the amount of notebook to equal the price. In this case, the amount of notebook is measured by specs in it.

So if I could explain, the components like processors, ram, hard disk space are what we would call specs. So what you looking for is for these things to be equal to the price you pay.

You need to start adding the OS in that "specs" group there bud. Do that and watch the scale tip back over

 

[Blu101]

I hate kids, that say windows is unreliable, when the last version of windows they tried probably was xp.

I love osx, but windows 7 is great OS as well.

Next to Vista, any OS is "great" lol

Win7 is better (than previous win versions), but it still has the same ol windows feel, nothing new. Sick of it, same as always. And OS X is way >>>>>> Win7.

 

[Hellhammer]

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It's actually not about being a geek or not. It's about value. If I you buy a stock you want the price to equal the earnings potential. If you buy a bag of chips, you wnt the price to equal the amount of chips in it. If you buy a notebook, you want the amount of notebook to equal the price. In this case, the amount of notebook is measured by specs in it.

So if I could explain, the components like processors, ram, hard disk space are what we would call specs. So what you looking for is for these things to be equal to the price you pay.

You are forgetting software. Some people are ready to justify spending a bit more on the hardware in order to get software that is in their opinion better than the software available for cheaper hardware (i.e. PCs.).

Using your chips logic, some people rather buy less chips for more $ if they taste better in their opinion. Quantity isn't the only thing that matters

 

[Vod Kanockers]

You need to start adding the OS in that "specs" group there bud. Do that and watch the scale tip back over

This. Times a thousand, then add in the ease of dealing with any problems/Apple's reputation for standing behind their product, as opposed to HP, Dell or Asus (The three I've personally had to deal with...root canals were more pleasant...and the reason I made the switch to Mac...) multiply by Microsoft's reputation for crappy support and you have yet another reason that an Apple is worth the investment.