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Well said, well said
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PLEASE NOTE: Current MBP is lightyears behind!
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Macs just work, you are too complicated for that, If Apple would release Macs every 3 months like Acer or something you would be setting your computer on fire because you got outdated so fast. Also, Sandy Bridge sounds best with the low end line because it wouldn't need a dedicated graphics card, and If apple would do that you would make another whinethread about Apple "Reducing Costs" by not adding a graphics card, and still asking 1119$+ for them
You don't like it because it's not OSX, but that doesn't mean it's bad, Vista wasn't that bad, It had it's issues but it worked. 7 Works great too, I use both OS's and I really don't miss 7 when I'm on OSX or Vice-versa
LOL
Thanks for "schooling" us on the spec and price gap
Some of us may have forgotten from the last "let me educate you" food fight thread
OSX > XP, Vista, Win7
Design > HP, Dell, Acer, etc.
No virus > Virus
Quality > HP, Dell, Acer, etc.
Seamless integration > hodge podge
Resale value > HP, Dell, Acer, etc.
Specs < latest PC
Gaming < latest PC
I use the latest Dell PC running Win 7 at work every day
I will be damned if I will use it when I am on my own time
I don't care if the next MBP has Sandy Bridge or Muddy Bridge
I don't use all the processing power of my Core 2 Duo
Well I have to agree to the fact that people should impatiently wait for the next revision (more like february / mars when college semesters begins) because a lot of future technologies are missing from apple offering right now.
USB 3 (if only to support legacy usb products, but still be able to enjoy the new speed)
Light peak would be nice as a peripheral port.
SSD in the form factor of the MacBook Air
Sandy Bridge processors, hopping they uphold Apple standards concerning OpenCL accessibility
But all these techs should also make it fast on desktop iMacs too.
About the SSD what would be great, in Macbook Pro and iMac, is user-servicable SSD sticks with a user-servicable emplacement for a classic hard disk.
People buying MBP don't usually have a desktop computer also, and the size available with SSD would be quickly crowded with music, movies and iOS and Mac store apps.
USB 3 (if only to support legacy usb products, but still be able to enjoy the new speed)
Light peak would be nice as a peripheral port.
SSD in the form factor of the MacBook Air
Sandy Bridge processors, hopping they uphold Apple standards concerning OpenCL accessibility
But all these techs should also make it fast on desktop iMacs too.
About the SSD what would be great, in Macbook Pro and iMac, is user-servicable SSD sticks with a user-servicable emplacement for a classic hard disk.
People buying MBP don't usually have a desktop computer also, and the size available with SSD would be quickly crowded with music, movies and iOS and Mac store apps.
LOL, your post is the funniest I've read in a long time, lol.
Yep, go buy your HP, ASUS low quality plastic, hot, poor keyboard, pathetic screens, horrible trackpads with your Sandy Bridge futuristic POWER ...
And, while you're enjoying this raw power on your Windows Machine, realize this > A Mac Pro runs better, far better with it's current spec's than these machines do with Win7, and most important of all every second you're using the Mac, enjoying it's screen, keyboard, trackpad, simple, easy to use and fun OSX and you could of had all this had you not been so ignorant thinking "it's all about spec's" ... It's not.
Do your research, try numerous laptops for considerable periods of time. I have, we own and have owned all kinds of laptop brands, nothing works better than the Mac, nothing pleases the end user more than a Mac.
I'm CEO of my company, I allow an operating budget of $50,000 - $100,000 a year for laptop purchases, accessories and upgrades. 'We' literally have tried them all.
It's irritating to read such 'misinformation' so often online and almost always from people who've got no experience using a full range of notebooks ... they're just sitting on their ass reading spec sheets, falling prey to marketing garble, and writing as if they're some kind of expert ... there's a hell of a lot more to it than that!
Vista was bad in my experience and it did not work for me. I rarely experienced over 3 consecutive hours without a freeze or hiccup. Seriously, my old Windows Millenium was better than Vista. In the 3 months I've owned my mbp, I haven't experienced the number of freezes and hiccups that I did in a single day of using Vista. I don't care what cpu is in pcs today - no hardware in the world is worth that type of experience (more like frustration). I used to do what most do, chase the hardware specs and all, but today I realize that the OS is more important - who cares if your friend's laptop can encode a video 20sec faster than your mbp, if it freezes 3 times doing it?
Win7 works much better when compared to Vista, but, in my opinion, OS X is better, more intuitive and more reliable. Win7 isn't "bad", but it's also not better than OS X IMO.
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What you need to understand guys is that the majority of the pc market is made up of corporate buyers. You and me might buy one pc every couple years. At&t, walmart, boa etc buy hundreds at a time every year. The Mac purchase for the largest segment (corporates) is constrained by compatibility. Now Mac will never be able to reach tray market significantly in the next, atleast 5years. As a result the only market apple can target apart from students is people that already have work laptops. If you look at the number of waking hours in a day, most people don't have the time to run 2 machines and are happy to get buy with their one main laptop. So as a result, enter the I toys. So, for the next 5 years until this changes Mac will not be a priority over at infinite loop - expect a half assed effort with second grade innovation and at the same time expect really great iPads and iPhones. Not sure how many of you want to accept premium prices for sub standard effort
What you need to understand guys is that the majority of the pc market is made up of corporate buyers. You and me might buy one pc every couple years. At&t, walmart, boa etc buy hundreds at a time every year. The Mac purchase for the largest segment (corporates) is constrained by compatibility. Now Mac will never be able to reach tray market significantly in the next, atleast 5years. As a result the only market apple can target apart from students is people that already have work laptops. If you look at the number of waking hours in a day, most people don't have the time to run 2 machines and are happy to get buy with their one main laptop. So as a result, enter the I toys. So, for the next 5 years until this changes Mac will not be a priority over at infinite loop - expect a half assed effort with second grade innovation and at the same time expect really great iPads and iPhones. Not sure how many of you want to accept premium prices for sub standard effort
Was at Best Buy a few weeks ago and went by the Apple table--picked up a Macbook Air--that's all it took to know what I want for my next computer--simple as that--no one cares about raw specs--it's the whole package that counts.
Millions and millions of people don't get a laptop from work as not everyone is an office rat.
You don't seem to understand Apple's business model... at all
You are trying to fit their model into your worldview
It doesn't work that way
And with Apple's latest quarterly earnings, I would say they are the ones that get it
I am actually really ok in having my underpowered iToy iPad that weights 700 grams and a separate 20kg Desktop instead of having just one 5kg Laptop that does everything including breaking my back
PLEASE NOTE: Only people who don't know much about computers lust after hardware specs alone. As far as "light years behind", incorrect again. Its the OS that makes a computer, not the hardware. Light years behind is an OS (I wont name names but it starts with a W) without native ISO support, or differential backup. Light years behind is an OS using the registry system instead of preference files, no multiple desktops, etc.
Lust after hardware all you want, its the user experience that is most important for most people.
And shame on me for feeding the troll
Dude, now you're talking out of your a**.
Seriously - Macbook Air is setting new standards for laptops (all solid state standard config) and Apple is releasing Lion this year. Existing lineups have won numerous awards and praises for best in class, light weight, thinness, design, performance, etc. you name it - how can you possibly call that a half assed effort? Seems to me Apple is putting the same level of effort in ALL of their products, not just one or two...
Other than Sandy Bridge and the graphics card, is there something else I'm missing?
Sure I wish the MBP had a better graphics card for its cost, though the OP says lightyears behind? Do other companies have SATA-III, Lightpeak, USB 3.0, etc. standard and Apple doesn't?
I don't believe so though I could be wrong.
I will still probably wait to get my MacBook Pro, but I'll have it eventually.
Sure I wish the MBP had a better graphics card for its cost, though the OP says lightyears behind? Do other companies have SATA-III, Lightpeak, USB 3.0, etc. standard and Apple doesn't?
I don't believe so though I could be wrong.
I will still probably wait to get my MacBook Pro, but I'll have it eventually.
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Yea but statistically most people are
Yea but statistically most people are
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I use a C2D MBP/13" at work, and administer a Windows/Cisco network of 300 users. Never an issue. I rarely tap into the CPU; RAM sure, but not CPU. Currently running uptime is 25 days, no mem leaks, or the like.
Funny though, people say "Oh, a Mac huh? You must not do real, or intensive work?" LOL...Ya...that's it.
Same here. I don't mind Win7, it's pretty good for Windows, but I won't use it or any Windows on my time either.
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Look at the earnings. Read it carefully. They stated that they are experiencing cababism of revenue from iPad. They also stated they have a very small share of the pc market and that this is not expected to grow exponentially. They also provided guidance that they expect growth to come largely from the i toys. It's not counter intuitive to say that a companies focus is on its fastest growing market. Read the 8 and 10ks - I have
Look at the earnings. Read it carefully. They stated that they are experiencing cababism of revenue from iPad. They also stated they have a very small share of the pc market and that this is not expected to grow exponentially. They also provided guidance that they expect growth to come largely from the i toys. It's not counter intuitive to say that a companies focus is on its fastest growing market. Read the 8 and 10ks - I have
After defragmenting this thread ... I have come to the conclusion ... the OP is a video gamer who belongs on the Acer forums spouting how Acer is light years ahead of Apple.
PC based companies have been trying to out-spec Macs for years and convincing video gamers ... this new machine is it!
PC based companies have been trying to out-spec Macs for years and convincing video gamers ... this new machine is it!
Actually, this isn't really nonsense, it's very possible. I don't know because I don't have Apple laptops specs memorized or anything but if you have a 1.6 ghz bus speed that's basically what it runs at. There is drastically more that makes a computer's speed then the processor and how much ram you have.
Also on a sperate note, there has been a lot of talk on this thread about how macs aren't worth it anymore and they aren't the latest thing blah blah blah. That's not why we buy macs, one of the advantages of mac osx is that all the hardware comes from the same place (I know your thinking well the processors are intel the graphics chips are... whatever they are right now but what I mean is, that's all that osx has to support, apple tests there os with what it will run on, Microsoft can not possibly test it's os with EVERY computer that it will be put on. (There are also quite a few technical reasons that OSX is better then Win7. Chrono1081 mentioned them better then I will be able to)
But the biggest advantage for me is that I like them. You can argue forever about build quality, parts, manufacturing costs, apple getting obsessed with iToys but that doesn't matter too much to me. There is a drastically different experience to using a pc, and I don't think that the op actually uses macs (I get the feeling that he went on here because he's a pc fan boy and wanted to argue) so it's difficult to explain to someone who uses pcs. Also before you go off on "Oh well you have never used pcs" I have. I use pcs for development stuff but I really don't like them.
Another thing is that hardware increase is made irrelevant by software slowing. Office 2000 on a standard 2000 machine will probably out preform office 2010 on a standard 2010 machine, (It did in 2007, there was a study). This is just to show that software these days has a massive impact on your speed.
It's one thing to ask when Apple will incorporate a product into their computers, it's another to say that we should all go get pcs because there are a few other companies that have announced that a computer with that product.
Computer specs are over rated. Software bloat needs to be taken more seriously.
Macs have never had a huge market share, yet Apple comes up with very innovative Macs every year. The new MBA is definitely one of the more innovative ones. In 2009, iMacs got a huge update. In fact, there is still no PC that is similar to iMac and its features. In 2008, MBPs got a pretty big update with the new unibody body and trackpads etc. All these smaller updates between these bigger ones have not been bad by any means.
You simply cannot come up with a revolutionary MBP every year.
FSB is so 2009. That is complete nonsense. Macs use exactly the same hardware as PCs do.
I have no problem with them producing your so called iToys
I have an iPhone and an iPad and love them both
And they integrate well with my MBP
Apple has never sought to have the largest market share in computers
They are quite comfortable to be where they are
It isn't their business model
And I certainly don't care what their market share is
As long as they have one for me when I am ready to buy
I don't care one bit about what anyone else uses for their computer, tablet or phone