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Your exactly right. Apple will lose customers if the iPhone isn't LTE. Maybe not to the extent that u sarcastically eluded to, but they will sell less phones because of it. LTE is not a deal breaker for me, but people who like and understand 4G and are in areas with widespread 4g coverage, a 3G iphone 5 will be a harder sell. Especially since those people have some beautiful 4G phones to now choose from.
All I'm saying is that Apple wants to set sales records with this next gen iPhone. And I just don't think a refreshed iPhone 4 is going to do it for them. In fact, I think it will be the worst selling iPhone ever if a 4S model is what rolls out. U don't argee with that? you honestly think a 4S device will have record sales on launch day? Because whatever it is that Apple will be releasing, I can guarantee they are expecting it to break records. And believe me, they already have a pretty good idea of how many phones will sell on launch day. And the number they figured out in their heads isn't less then what it was with the iPhone 4. You can bet ur life on it. And I'm pretty certain a refreshed iPhone 4S isn't going to come remotely close to iPhone 4 #'s. Its all about the money. That's it. Apple is going to launch a new iPhone 5 that it feels EVERYONE wants. Not a phone that half the people MIGHT get.
I really hope at this point Apple releases the tiniest upgrade ever just so you can see how wrong you are and we can watch it beat all previous records.
Do u even realize how ridiculous ur above statements sound?
Those same people in those huge departments who get paid millions of dollars who are devoted to doing exactly these kind of studies to know what will sell also gave us the iPhone 3GS, a phone with a slightly faster processor and a minor camera speck bump. Yup, they know very well what they are doing.
At that time they were right. It's a different era now. Now if ur not getting what u expect or want from the next iPhone, you have many other, equally, if not more advanced devices to choose from. Apple doesn't want to be just another smart phone company mixed in with everyone else. And a 4S flagship iPhone device for 2012 will put them on the LOWER end of the current smart phone spectrum. Exactly where Apple never wants to be.
Look, I'm done with all this. I'm just gonna sit back and wait. Once the world sees what the next iPhone will bring, then we can all reconvene to bash one another on who was right and who was wrong. It should be real fun..I can't wait!
The A5 has been out in the wild for ages now (in technology years). The iPad 2 has sported the A5 since it went into production last February. Here we are in Sept of the same year, and Apple is going to WOW us with an A5 and camera upgrade? If so, why not stay on the summer release cycle? The technology was there at that time...why change to a fall release cycle for this?
The only reason I can figure if they don't release a significant upgrade is: (a) Apple is trying to make a universal carrier phone (CDMA/GSM) and had design issues with the chips or something similar; (b) Apple believes the iPhone 4's popularity warrants a downturn in massive hardware improvements (doubtful), (c) Apple wants desperately to marry iOS 5 with a new device regardless of whether it is a significant upgrade or not.
I tend to agree with the OP (while it wouldn't be the first time I've been wrong). But I expect the new iPhone to have something 'different' than this. I don't know what it is...as none of us do...but I suspect the WOW factor will somehow apply.
Short term, Apple's senior management team was embarrassed at the loss of the iPhone 4 before they released it last year. We are so close to all the rumored release dates that it's amazing to me we haven't seen any definitive leaks of said device. If it's just a spec bump with no discernible difference in design...why not have more leaks? Who could tell it it were the iPhone 4 or the 4S/5? From design to production lines, Apple has this thing locked down tighter than a drum...why if it doesn't carry some important/significant improvements?
Thinking long term, Apple most likely will not introduce an iPhone 6 during the Summer of 2012 due to the tremendous undertaking to re-tool and ramp up production for it...not to mention the anger some would have with buying a Fall iPhone only to have a Summer (completely re-designed) version come out a few months later. Therefore, I believe whatever they release (if they release) this fall will be the mainstay iPhone for at least another year (fall 2012). An A5 w/8MP camera upgrade won't settle well for the techno critics writing tech articles praising everything iPhone. Again, the A5 has been out for awhile now...are they really gonna refrain from offering the world a revolutionary iPhone from June 2010 (iPhone 4) to October 2012 (iPhone 6)?
I know it's not about specs, but rather they user experience. My iPhone 4 is still a wonderful device. However, better battery life, a larger screen...something...anything...a bone here/there...is better than a refurbished iPhone 4 with an A5 and 8MP camera...ecspecially if we have to wait till Fall 2012 for the iPhone 6.
Because of this, I have to believe Apple has something in the pressure cooker.
The only reason I can figure if they don't release a significant upgrade is: (a) Apple is trying to make a universal carrier phone (CDMA/GSM) and had design issues with the chips or something similar; (b) Apple believes the iPhone 4's popularity warrants a downturn in massive hardware improvements (doubtful), (c) Apple wants desperately to marry iOS 5 with a new device regardless of whether it is a significant upgrade or not.
I tend to agree with the OP (while it wouldn't be the first time I've been wrong). But I expect the new iPhone to have something 'different' than this. I don't know what it is...as none of us do...but I suspect the WOW factor will somehow apply.
Short term, Apple's senior management team was embarrassed at the loss of the iPhone 4 before they released it last year. We are so close to all the rumored release dates that it's amazing to me we haven't seen any definitive leaks of said device. If it's just a spec bump with no discernible difference in design...why not have more leaks? Who could tell it it were the iPhone 4 or the 4S/5? From design to production lines, Apple has this thing locked down tighter than a drum...why if it doesn't carry some important/significant improvements?
Thinking long term, Apple most likely will not introduce an iPhone 6 during the Summer of 2012 due to the tremendous undertaking to re-tool and ramp up production for it...not to mention the anger some would have with buying a Fall iPhone only to have a Summer (completely re-designed) version come out a few months later. Therefore, I believe whatever they release (if they release) this fall will be the mainstay iPhone for at least another year (fall 2012). An A5 w/8MP camera upgrade won't settle well for the techno critics writing tech articles praising everything iPhone. Again, the A5 has been out for awhile now...are they really gonna refrain from offering the world a revolutionary iPhone from June 2010 (iPhone 4) to October 2012 (iPhone 6)?
I know it's not about specs, but rather they user experience. My iPhone 4 is still a wonderful device. However, better battery life, a larger screen...something...anything...a bone here/there...is better than a refurbished iPhone 4 with an A5 and 8MP camera...ecspecially if we have to wait till Fall 2012 for the iPhone 6.
Because of this, I have to believe Apple has something in the pressure cooker.
People that understand 4G would also know the difference between LTE, and true 4G, LTE-Advanced
. As others have said, this forum is not a great representation of the general public. While we do have many active users on MacRumors, very few have even seen, or voted on your poll. 143 votes, out of over 600,000 members is not a great sample size.
Do you really think the tiniest of spec bumps would produce record setting sales? And is really going to be that fun to see just "how wrong" I was?..Geeze, I didn't know I was that important to warrant mass enjoyment over the fact that what I said was incorrect.
Do I want a new, totally designed iPhone 5?..Yes, and I am pretty sure most others do as well.
Could I be totally wrong?..Absolutely. I know nothing. I am just merely giving my opinion...Which again, means nothing. But I still don't think a merely spec bumped iPhone 4 will "beat all previous iPhone sales records". No way, no how. I honestly just can't see people lining up around the block for a device that looks exactly like the iphone 4. And again, just one mans opinion.
If I'm totally wrong, the only thing in my life it will affect is my decision on whether or not I keep my iP4 or try something totally different (Because I won't be upgrading to anything but a totally redesigned model). But that's just me..And quite frankly, "me" is all im really worried about.
So keep "REALLY HOPING" that I am wrong so you can let me know just how wrong I really was. If I don't respond right away, it's because I'll be living my life.
People did for the iPhone 3GS, why wouldn't they do it again with the next iPhone?
iPhone 3G and the iPhone 3GS.
Don't get so worked up over this. It's just a phone in the end. Everyone in the world hopes for a super enhanced iPhone 5, so you are not the only one. But you really have to understand the entire market in order to justify whatever Apple does. If it's the 4S, Apple will spin it in a way that makes you want to buy one.
2x faster processor
9x better graphics, on a retina display!
Photos, the best you've ever seen and taken!
See grandma more clearly on Facetime
Facetime now runs on 3G
Improved battery life due to A5 efficiencies
New COLORS!!!
iOS 5
iCloud
New smartcover for iPhone!
2x faster processor
9x better graphics, on a retina display!
Photos, the best you've ever seen and taken!
See grandma more clearly on Facetime
Facetime now runs on 3G
Improved battery life due to A5 efficiencies
New COLORS!!!
iOS 5
iCloud
New smartcover for iPhone!
The 3G was a rock-solid industrial design. You could buy a 3GS with confidence that the build quality was acceptable and that there were no hardware issues with the design of the phone.
The iPhone 4 is made of fragile glass with known antenna reception issues.
I personally know 5 people who have shattered the backs of their iP4s, and another 2 who have shattered the front. The antenna issue is documented by Consumer Reports -- it isn't just some anti-Apple issue being spread by blogs and YouTube videos.
There are real issues with the design of the iP4 -- it's pretty, but it's garbage as far as durability and usability go (don't believe me? google image "iPhone shatter" and see how many pictures are up there).
I refuse to buy a phone that is so fragile. Therefore, the form factor must change if Apple is to retain me as a customer.
I had my iphone 4 in a HD pixelskin HD case and dropped it many times and never broke anything so it's an easy fix but I do understand that it's a more fragile design than the 3gs. Also, the new 4s/5 has a redesigned antenna so that won't be a problem anymore.
Even if they have a working 3GS, people may be inclined to get a low cost revamp 4 then premium 5
Game has changed quite a bit since then, lot of other quality options out there.
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Of course it's saying the same thing...Which ironically, makes total sense.
And if ur trying to twist it some weird way and u think I meant "consumers" as in people buying the 4S first, and then realizing they are disappointed...Well then, shame on u.
Honestly, ur post is the post that makes no sense. I've read it 10 times and still can't figure out what u mean.
The point is, you said "I BEG TO DIFFER" about what you've read. But then you say the same thing as what you've read. That's why I say your post doesn't make sense. Shame on you
I agree, i think it would be a major mistake for apple to release a 4S because it WILL sell less than a 5 would. I know the 3GS sold like crazy, but i think that had more to do with a growing iPhone market, i think its getting to the point now where those who wanted an iPhone have one already (obviously thats not a concrete fact as much as a general statement, i know people are still switching everyday).
So while sales for the 3GS were boosted by people entering the iPhone market, not by those who already had a 3G, i dont think apple can count on new users for a 4S they way they have before.
I hate cases. I'm hoping for a more durable iphone where I can use it w/out a case. The iphone 4 is a great looking phone and it sucks you pretty much have to hide it in a bulky, ugly case.
yeah, those "bumpers" that apple makes in assorted colors are pretty sexy though. i just hate the cases that totally cover the back of your phone
I rang o2 today, my iPhone 4 is due for an upgrade according to them. SO when the iPhone 5/4s is available i have it preordered the moment it is confirmed!, HOPEFULLY they will allow me to get a white one first time round this time!
I've been on an old razor since 2004, so I plan to an iPhone soon. I am waiting till the iphone event, but I will most likely get whatever the newest iPhone is be that 4, 4S, or 5.
Hmm
I've just upgraded to the iPhone 4, so no. I would have considered waiting for the upgrade if I knew what was going to be on offer, but sadly nobody does at the moment and relying on rumours isn't my idea of fun.
iPhone "4S' or iPhone "5" are a figment of our imagination's until Apple tell us about the next release, and the delirious expectations of some on these forums are starting to get on my nerves, but Apple will deliver something many will love and many others will loath.
I've just upgraded to the iPhone 4, so no. I would have considered waiting for the upgrade if I knew what was going to be on offer, but sadly nobody does at the moment and relying on rumours isn't my idea of fun.
iPhone "4S' or iPhone "5" are a figment of our imagination's until Apple tell us about the next release, and the delirious expectations of some on these forums are starting to get on my nerves, but Apple will deliver something many will love and many others will loath.
Yes. I will..
Currently, I have iPhone 3G, which is just SO DAMN SLOW. Regretting not upgrading to iPhone4 last year. Will definitely get whatever Apple comes up with.
Currently, I have iPhone 3G, which is just SO DAMN SLOW. Regretting not upgrading to iPhone4 last year. Will definitely get whatever Apple comes up with.
What? Why does that matter? (bolded section)
Your comments on the back glass make sense, but AFIK all iPhones have a front glass display, so they would have broken an older iPhone as well.
Without changing the form factor, Apple could easily resolve your two biggest issues by including a coating over the antenna joint locations, and replace the back panel with either metal or plastic. Something any current iPhone 4 owner can do themselves for less than $20.
Since you made friends valid examples, I will site my experience. Judging by how many of my friends (sadly including myself now
) have broken Android phones, I don't think you would be escaping the fragile phone space by going to most popular android phones. The most problematic seem to be the large screen phones, or any that have moving parts to access something like a keyboard.If durability is a concern, I would recommend a Motorola Defy, it looks somewhat like a 3GS with a built in case so you would feel right at home.
