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Please talk me out of this!!!
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Well, I use a PC at school and (obviously) a mac at home and I know that most Mac and PC users get on a bit roughly but, the PC I use at school shouldn't be classified as a computer, more over a advanced calculator.
I don't even know what Mhz it's running at.
Go for a Mac then but if you feel a PC suits you better, get a PC.
I don't even know what Mhz it's running at.
Go for a Mac then but if you feel a PC suits you better, get a PC.
Re: Dude, I'm getting a Dell...
Hook, line, and sinker.
You do realise these "special offers" are designed to generate impulse buys such as yours and the one that expired last night was most likely replaced with another one quite similar, no?
I'm confused:
Plus $200 that you hope you get back eventually from the MIR, so make that $1249 for now.
You realise that, shipped and loaded, you paid nearly double what you thought you paid?
Hook, line, and sinker.
You do realise these "special offers" are designed to generate impulse buys such as yours and the one that expired last night was most likely replaced with another one quite similar, no?
I'm confused:
Plus $200 that you hope you get back eventually from the MIR, so make that $1249 for now.
You realise that, shipped and loaded, you paid nearly double what you thought you paid?
$1049 shipped includes extra 120GB hdd (plus standard 30GB hdd) and extra 1GB of RAM (256MB standard), as well as upgrade to Radeon 9000 vid card. All in all, not bad, if you don't do the entire build it from scratch thing.
P4 is hyper thread for more than just the 3.06 GHz now...
http://www.googlegear.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=80652-800
Appears to be summarized by Intel here:
http://www.intel.com/products/deskt.../index.htm?iid=ipp_desk_proc+highlight_p4_ht&
HT seems to start at 2.4 GHz for the 800MHz bus. Wordage of the site is a bit ambiguous....
P4 is hyper thread for more than just the 3.06 GHz now...
http://www.googlegear.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=80652-800
Appears to be summarized by Intel here:
http://www.intel.com/products/deskt.../index.htm?iid=ipp_desk_proc+highlight_p4_ht&
HT seems to start at 2.4 GHz for the 800MHz bus. Wordage of the site is a bit ambiguous....
Re: Re: Dude, I'm getting a Dell...
Kind of amazing how some people can blow $3000 on a top of the line PowerMac with 1998 era technology yet $1000 on a PC with 2003 era technology is too much.
Like I said earlier, if you buy it you pretty much plan on upgrading it first thing. Those of you that bought an iBook with only 128MB of RAM probably popped a bigger stick in right away too. I still think I got a good deal for top of the line technology at an entry-level price...
Kind of amazing how some people can blow $3000 on a top of the line PowerMac with 1998 era technology yet $1000 on a PC with 2003 era technology is too much.
hey illumina8... when you get your new dell and those 2 512mb sticks of ram... take out the 256 chip (or 2x128) whatever it is... the dual channel stuff is really finickey, and has to have all slots populated with the same ram (nforce2 isnt as bad, but the new intel stuff is) or it will run in single channel mode (cutting memory bandwith in half)
I need to use both PC's and Macs. I sure could use a cheap pc box, but I'm still paying off my pbook. I end up having to use Autocad, and VPC doesn't cut it for that for so many reasons. So I still have a reason to need both platforms. However, as a previous poster said, if I had to buy all my software over just to switch, it would run another thousand or so, even with educational discounts. Not terribly appealing. Unless of course, you aren't paying for software...
Some of you... some of you like pcs exculsively, while myself I say there is not, nor ought there be anything so exaulted on the face of God's great earth as that prince of computers, the macintosh.
Some of you... some of you like pcs exculsively, while myself I say there is not, nor ought there be anything so exaulted on the face of God's great earth as that prince of computers, the macintosh.
Cool, thanks for the tip. I guess 1 GB of memory should be enough. I want to make sure I'm running dual channel mode after all or the memory won't be keeping up with the processor.
Most of the programs I spend a lot of time in have both the PC and Mac versions included on the same disk (Reason is a good example). So an added benefit of switching is that I don't have to rebuy all of my software, just MS office, although OpenOffice is pretty good now and will probably do just fine on Mac OS X.
Just so you guys know, I've been really reaching the end of the life-cycle of my current PC (I record music and really need the latest and greatest), and although I would love to switch, it's looking to me now that I would be waiting at least until August or September before even the first release of 970 products are available in stores.
By buying a PC now, then waiting until possibly the second rev. of the 970 machines in December or January before I buy a Mac and make the switch, I should be getting a faster product for less money that won't have any problems that the early adopters are going to have to deal with.
If only Apple would have timed their 970 release around MY PC upgrade schedule, and not silly market realities...
Re: Re: Re: Dude, I'm getting a Dell...
Yeah but then three weeks after you buy it the thing is slow as bricks because you've installed programs, you'll wonder why people buy macs. Both my parent's HP laptops are dog slow, they lag opening IE and just about everything else. Sure XP brings up the desktop a minute before OS X but it takes an extra 5 minutes to load all the background programs that you can't turn off.
I don't even want to hear hardware spec comparisons to this new POS you bought and a new mac. I know my ibook 500 is smoking every PC in my house. Shoot, my dad's Fujitsu 233 P2 isn't much slower than his new Athalon 1800+ mobile.
All those specs are a marketing ploy to attract people who immediately assume that bigger is better. And you bought it. Paid twice what they said you'd pay too.
Bottom line is, though the hardware numbers are pretty sweet, they aren't implimented in an efficient way. Because Windows has to support a billion different chipsets, it's not optimized well to any hardware and is sluggish whether you have a 800 celeron or a 2.4 P4.
You can throw out hardware specs and benchmarks out the window. What it comes down to is sitting right in front of each machine and see which one cooperates. Sure you can get a dell for $700. But compare the percent of people who HATE computers and use pc's to the percent of people who love macs and own macs.
So enjoy your loud dead weight and we'll see you back in the mac camp in a few years... I'm sure of it.
Yeah but then three weeks after you buy it the thing is slow as bricks because you've installed programs, you'll wonder why people buy macs. Both my parent's HP laptops are dog slow, they lag opening IE and just about everything else. Sure XP brings up the desktop a minute before OS X but it takes an extra 5 minutes to load all the background programs that you can't turn off.
I don't even want to hear hardware spec comparisons to this new POS you bought and a new mac. I know my ibook 500 is smoking every PC in my house. Shoot, my dad's Fujitsu 233 P2 isn't much slower than his new Athalon 1800+ mobile.
All those specs are a marketing ploy to attract people who immediately assume that bigger is better. And you bought it. Paid twice what they said you'd pay too.
Bottom line is, though the hardware numbers are pretty sweet, they aren't implimented in an efficient way. Because Windows has to support a billion different chipsets, it's not optimized well to any hardware and is sluggish whether you have a 800 celeron or a 2.4 P4.
You can throw out hardware specs and benchmarks out the window. What it comes down to is sitting right in front of each machine and see which one cooperates. Sure you can get a dell for $700. But compare the percent of people who HATE computers and use pc's to the percent of people who love macs and own macs.
So enjoy your loud dead weight and we'll see you back in the mac camp in a few years... I'm sure of it.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Dude, I'm getting a Dell...
That's about what I was going to say. I bought my iBook for $1500. I spent another $40 on RAM. Total cost of hardware for two years of ownership: $1540, $40 more than what the unit itself cost.
It runs OSX faster than it did when new, and when I upgrade to a PowerMac (for ~ $1600 for the midline model, not $3000), I will keep it because it will remain a fully capable, albeit slower, companion to the PowerMac.
At three years old a PC can't run the latest basic software. At three years, a Mac is just getting broken in.
That's about what I was going to say. I bought my iBook for $1500. I spent another $40 on RAM. Total cost of hardware for two years of ownership: $1540, $40 more than what the unit itself cost.
It runs OSX faster than it did when new, and when I upgrade to a PowerMac (for ~ $1600 for the midline model, not $3000), I will keep it because it will remain a fully capable, albeit slower, companion to the PowerMac.
At three years old a PC can't run the latest basic software. At three years, a Mac is just getting broken in.
Re: PriceMart shoppers...
Buy the inexpensive PC,
Buy the inexpensive PC,
Buy the inexpensive PC,
Be happy with your next several PC purchases,
Bill Gates NEEDs your money, his gold plated jewel encrusted bidet needs an upgrade.
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Like the Saturn dealer always says, nobody ever buys the entry level car.
We got one, it's in the back covered in a layer of dust, but you really don't want to drive it -- but with a few more options like this baby here ...
Buy the inexpensive PC,
Buy the inexpensive PC,
Buy the inexpensive PC,
Be happy with your next several PC purchases,
Bill Gates NEEDs your money, his gold plated jewel encrusted bidet needs an upgrade.
---
Like the Saturn dealer always says, nobody ever buys the entry level car.
We got one, it's in the back covered in a layer of dust, but you really don't want to drive it -- but with a few more options like this baby here ...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Dude, I'm getting a Dell...
And for the record, my office is full of 3-5 year old computers (some P2 333MHz boxes) that run Office 2000 perfectly well, as well as the lastest Norton and other various office necessities.
Obviously any 3 yr old computer would be useless for gaming or hard core rendering type work...
Funny how the specs for OS X state that you need 16MB vram to run Quartz Extreme. I can think of no Apple product from 3 years ago, except for a PowerMac, that can meet that requirement.
And for the record, my office is full of 3-5 year old computers (some P2 333MHz boxes) that run Office 2000 perfectly well, as well as the lastest Norton and other various office necessities.
Obviously any 3 yr old computer would be useless for gaming or hard core rendering type work...
For a PC to even be reliable you have to do some sort of upgrades (ram, video, sound...) at least every six months. I've even had PC techs tell me that you have to reformat your hard drive every three months!!! I've run norton to defrag my hard drive and it actually runs SLOWER right after the defrag on my mac.
By the way, my dad can't even get the wireless card built in (or an add-on) to work with my Netgear router. No problem with my ibook.
Trust me dude, if you don't feel like a chump already, you will. Michael Dell, Bill Gates and Steve Balmer will ride ya'll all the way to the bank.
I'll tell you this... you get what you pay for. You're comparing the 2.0 Liter 4 cylinder engine in a Poniac Sunfire to the 1.6 Liter supercharged 4 cylinder engine in the Cooper Mini S. Sure the sunfire has a bigger engine, bigger fuel tank, bigger trunk... but it doesn't mean a damn thing! The Mini will drive circles around it and last twice as long (and will sell for 5 times what the Sunfire will used).
Wait till you get it before you start bragging about the deal you just got. I wonder how long that fantasy will last?
By the way, my dad can't even get the wireless card built in (or an add-on) to work with my Netgear router. No problem with my ibook.
Trust me dude, if you don't feel like a chump already, you will. Michael Dell, Bill Gates and Steve Balmer will ride ya'll all the way to the bank.
I'll tell you this... you get what you pay for. You're comparing the 2.0 Liter 4 cylinder engine in a Poniac Sunfire to the 1.6 Liter supercharged 4 cylinder engine in the Cooper Mini S. Sure the sunfire has a bigger engine, bigger fuel tank, bigger trunk... but it doesn't mean a damn thing! The Mini will drive circles around it and last twice as long (and will sell for 5 times what the Sunfire will used).
Wait till you get it before you start bragging about the deal you just got. I wonder how long that fantasy will last?
Hmm... one more reason to stay away from Pee Cees.
Sure, macs cost "too" much and have "1998" era technology, but don't come crying to me when your P4 is running Windoze as slow as s--- cause all the drivers are out of date, the memory isn't running dual channel, and your hard drive is all fragmented. Meanwhile, i will be sitting working on my $1300 700 MHz iBook with 384 megs of ram, smoking every windoze machine in the area.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Dude, I'm getting a Dell...
If i rercollect the Pwer macs were at 350 to 500Mhz in 1999 and the cube was in 2000 which is three years ago and they all had a 16mb video card in them. I'm using a dual 450 from 2000 and it still runs wonderfully including most games (i upgraded the video card and the ram) and rus os X (10.2.6) without any slow downs.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Dude, I'm getting a Dell...
Think of something other than Quartz. I said basic software. My two year-old, 8MB VRAM iBook can run FCE and PS 7 and it doesn't have Quartz.
For the record, Office 2000 is a three year-old piece of software, so I'd expect it to run perfectly well on your 3-5 year old computers.
Now that would depend on the base architecture and the graphics card, wouldn't it?
Think of something other than Quartz. I said basic software. My two year-old, 8MB VRAM iBook can run FCE and PS 7 and it doesn't have Quartz.
For the record, Office 2000 is a three year-old piece of software, so I'd expect it to run perfectly well on your 3-5 year old computers.
Now that would depend on the base architecture and the graphics card, wouldn't it?
Video card only can do so much on a slow ass bus system. Compare fps of any game on a PC to that of a Mac.
Basic software, how is the OS rendering anything (window icon etc) not basic... open iTunes, Safari, and iChat at the same time, directly after reboot. How long is the wait? Why?
Office 2000 is older... but we are also running all current service packs and security patches, which has significantly degraded performance over the base install.
Dual channel is designed with something in mind, and that is bad? If it was a PowerMac you all would be praising its intelligent forward thinking design!
Hardware wise, Macs are in the stone age. If we are lucky, IBM will be nice enough to let Apple use the 970... but there are no certainties until they actually ship.
Basic software, how is the OS rendering anything (window icon etc) not basic... open iTunes, Safari, and iChat at the same time, directly after reboot. How long is the wait? Why?
Office 2000 is older... but we are also running all current service packs and security patches, which has significantly degraded performance over the base install.
Dual channel is designed with something in mind, and that is bad? If it was a PowerMac you all would be praising its intelligent forward thinking design!
Hardware wise, Macs are in the stone age. If we are lucky, IBM will be nice enough to let Apple use the 970... but there are no certainties until they actually ship.
I agree with you that the hardware for the power mac is behind the times and lets face it windows is getting better at alot of things and if apple gets it together we could be looking at another revolution. If I was ever to buy a wintel box it would not be from a manufacturer. It is easy enough to buy your own components and throw them together. You dont get customer support on the whole box, but lets face it there ain't much support out there normallyOriginally posted by yzedf
Dual channel is designed with something in mind, and that is bad? If it was a PowerMac you all would be praising its intelligent forward thinking design!
Hardware wise, Macs are in the stone age. If we are lucky, IBM will be nice enough to let Apple use the 970... but there are no certainties until they actually ship.