@pod2g & @i0n1c catfight!

[nfl46]

I'll be willing to pay $10 or so for a jailbreak if that option came about from one of them. I'd rather pay and get quick updates than wait months and months for free updates. The process of them releasing a jailbreak is getting slower and slower.

 

[TC25]

I have said it a million times...If jailbreaks were PAID, we would have jailbreaks the very first day a new os/phone is released...

And you've been wrong a million times.

 

[Ramonn]

Apple is ultimately the creators of any iOS exploits because they are the ones who built it in the first place.

What is your definition of an 'exploit' ? Building an exploit waiting to be payloaded... lol

Take a trip to your nearest Apple Store and see what it's like. Don't worry, their stores are lit.

 

[dhlizard]

I have said it a million times...

If jailbreaks were PAID, we would have jailbreaks the very first day a new os/phone is released... We would have a company dedicated to do so and the only one that would benefit is US!.

Make it paid for $10-$20-$30. I donated $30 last time.

Once you have the glory... what is the incentive of more glory? In turn.. everyone likes mo'money!

Its still work... since they can do it they have their motivation to do it to their device. Being able to complete a jailbreak for mass release is a lot more work and the best motivator is good compensation!

Not at all ...

A hacker can use any method or tools (including Apple Developer items) to modify his/her own phone.
Very much different when you are talking about a jailbreak tool for public release.
Very few of us out here are developers, so any tools which depend on that access are useless for distribution as a public release jailbreak tool.
Any tool to be released cannot contain any copyrighted code or firmware (Apple code or firmware as an example).
So jailbreaking a personal device where there are no concerns with public release is entirely different and very much quicker than building a legal tool which can be distributed without violations. A legal method must be found to implement the jailbreaking exploits.

That is what takes all the time, having an exploit that you can apply to your own iDevice by any means is the easiest part of the process. Packaging a working tool for general release so that Apple or another copyright holder cannot come after you is the challenge.

 

[HeyGreggie]

My thing is...why be mad people are going for the version that's available?

If there were options it would be different. There aren't. So as a result he's not eating financially off it. Be mad.

 

[terraphantm]

That's like saying the statue is there, inside the marble waiting to be found by the artist.

Maybe so. But i0n1c's stance is somewhat akin to not releasing an antibiotic because people who didn't do the research can make a lot more money off it, people who don't know the first thing about biochemistry and medicine will benefit from it, and because bacteria will eventually "close the hole" (form a resistance).

I get that he wants to be paid - fine, he should release something for payment then. But he should be willing to accept the consequences of that decision. If he releases something for money, then buyers will actually have the right to bitch about any bugs and slow releases. Remember how the one JB i0n1c released had that mute switch bug? That would have no business being in a paid JB. I would expect a very quick patch or a refund.

Then it's also worth mentioning that the JBing exception to the DMCA doesn't even apply to his country. Authorities in most countries will take notice if someone decides to profit off of something that directly conflicts with the WIPO treaty. And I'm sure apple would find some excuse to sue him either way if he's making massive profit off the act of JBing (I'm sure there's something in the EULA that explicitly prohibits the research of holes)

If he doesn't want to deal with all that crap... Then he shouldn't jerk people around by showing off a JB and refusing to release, and he shouldn't throw a hissyfit when more generous hackers want to release their own JB.

 

[5aga]

Maybe so. But i0n1c's stance is somewhat akin to not releasing an antibiotic because people who didn't do the research can make a lot more money off it, people who don't know the first thing about biochemistry and medicine will benefit from it, and because bacteria will eventually "close the hole" (form a resistance).

I get that he wants to be paid - fine, he should release something for payment then. But he should be willing to accept the consequences of that decision. If he releases something for money, then buyers will actually have the right to bitch about any bugs and slow releases. Remember how the one JB i0n1c released had that mute switch bug? That would have no business being in a paid JB. I would expect a very quick patch or a refund.

Then it's also worth mentioning that the JBing exception to the DMCA doesn't even apply to his country. Authorities in most countries will take notice if someone decides to profit off of something that directly conflicts with the WIPO treaty. And I'm sure apple would find some excuse to sue him either way if he's making massive profit off the act of JBing (I'm sure there's something in the EULA that explicitly prohibits the research of holes)

If he doesn't want to deal with all that crap... Then he shouldn't jerk people around by showing off a JB and refusing to release, and he shouldn't throw a hissyfit when more generous hackers want to release their own JB.

well said. I think ultimately he is just trying to land a job at Apple.

 

[labman]

i have said it a million times...

If jailbreaks were paid, we would have jailbreaks the very first day a new os/phone is released... We would have a company dedicated to do so and the only one that would benefit is us!.

Make it paid for $10-$20-$30. I donated $30 last time.

Once you have the glory... What is the incentive of more glory? In turn.. Everyone likes mo'money!

Its still work... Since they can do it they have their motivation to do it to their device. Being able to complete a jailbreak for mass release is a lot more work and the best motivator is good compensation!

1,000,001

 

[Cod3rror]

I have said it a million times...

If jailbreaks were PAID, we would have jailbreaks the very first day a new os/phone is released... We would have a company dedicated to do so and the only one that would benefit is US!.

Make it paid for €7.35 ($10)-€15 ($20)-€22 ($30). I donated €22 ($30) last time.

Once you have the glory... what is the incentive of more glory? In turn.. everyone likes mo'money!

Its still work... since they can do it they have their motivation to do it to their device. Being able to complete a jailbreak for mass release is a lot more work and the best motivator is good compensation!

LOL, $30 each time a new iOS version and the jailbreak for it releases? GTFO!

Apple charges $30 for a whole OS update.

Do you donate $30 each time you jailbreak?

$5, no more.

 

[hackthatphone]

"Apple charges $30 for a whole OS update."

I've owned every iphone since they started making them, used every firmware update on every one of those phones and I have never once paid for an OS update.

 

[Candurin]

I think the $30 upgrade refers to Mac osx upgrades (i.e. Lion costs $29).

 

[3bs]

LOL, $30 each time a new iOS version and the jailbreak for it releases? GTFO!

Apple charges $30 for a whole OS update.

Do you donate $30 each time you jailbreak?

$5, no more.

I'd be willing to pay $30 if it meant getting it soon after the release of an iOS version. Maybe it could be $30 for iOS 5 and you get all subsequent jailbreaks for iOS 5 for free. Then another $30 for iOS 6 etc.

 

[Cod3rror]

I'd be willing to pay €22 ($30) if it meant getting it soon after the release of an iOS version. Maybe it could be €22 ($30) for iOS 5 and you get all subsequent jailbreaks for iOS 5 for free. Then another €22 ($30) for iOS 6 etc.

$30 for a jailbreak + who knows how much for tweaks, apps, etc... and soon jailbreaking will turn into quite an expensive hobby.

Also ask the devs of those tweaks if they want jailbreaks to cost money and thus get in the way of them and customers.

Consider how many jailbroken devices are there, $30 is insanely expensive. There are people who develop and work on iOS and they won't be getting paid as much as a jailbreaker.

$5 is already a lot, should be $2 or a $1 even.

 

[3bs]

$30 for a jailbreak + who knows how much for tweaks, apps, etc... and soon jailbreaking will turn into quite an expensive hobby.

Also ask the devs of those tweaks if they want jailbreaks to cost money and thus get in the way of them and customers.

Consider how many jailbroken devices are there, $30 is insanely expensive. There are people who develop and work on iOS and they won't be getting paid as much as a jailbreaker.

$5 is already a lot, should be $2 or a $1 even.

So the developers of tweaks should make money but the people making it possible to even install their tweaks shouldn't? I'm not sure what the best price is but I pay $30 or even more for an iPhone case so I'd definitely be willing to pay that much for a jailbreaking tool.

 

[Cod3rror]

So the developers of tweaks should make money but the people making it possible to even install their tweaks shouldn't? I'm not sure what the best price is but I pay €22 ($30) or even more for an iPhone case so I'd definitely be willing to pay that much for a jailbreaking tool.

They are getting paid, consider how many people donate.

The difference is that there are thousands of tweaks out there that cost a dollar or two, and not every single user that jailbreaks their phone buys those tweaks, however every single user would be paying a jailbreaker for the jailbreak, $30 is absolutely crazy!

The jailbreak for iPhone 4S and iPad 2 got downloaded a million times on the very first day, if it cost $30, that means the jailbreaker would be earning $30 million in one day. Are you serious?

Besides that, consider how many serious companies would get involved into this when they could be making so much money, soon all of this would get out of hand, Apple would get involved and it would either be banned or they'd really close all the loop holes... don't you think Apple knows what they are doing? Jailbreaking and freedom to modify your device and yes piracy, sells hardware.

If you want to pay them so much, go ahead and donate.

 

[3bs]

They are getting paid, consider how many people donate.

The difference is that there are thousands of tweaks out there that cost a dollar or two, and not every single user that jailbreaks their phone buys those tweaks, however every single user would be paying a jailbreaker for the jailbreak, $30 is absolutely crazy!

The jailbreak for iPhone 4S and iPad 2 got downloaded a million times on the very first day, if it cost $30, that means the jailbreaker would be earning $30 million in one day. Are you serious?

Besides that, consider how many serious companies would get involved into this when they could be making so much money, soon all of this would get out of hand, Apple would get involved and it would either be banned or they'd really close all the loop holes... don't you think Apple knows what they are doing? Jailbreaking and freedom to modify your device and yes piracy, sells hardware.

If you want to pay them so much, go ahead and donate.

I guess I see your point. I'm just worried that it's gonna be harder and take longer for them to release jailbreaks in the future and maybe the guarantee of them getting paid would act as an incentive to make them work harder. Like I said, I don't know what the best price is I just know I'm willing to pay that much.

 

[Cod3rror]

I guess I see your point. I'm just worried that it's gonna be harder and take longer for them to release jailbreaks in the future and maybe the guarantee of them getting paid would act as an incentive to make them work harder. Like I said, I don't know what the best price is I just know I'm willing to pay that much.

Don't worry, jailbreaking is not going anywhere.

It's going well as it is now, it's "unofficial", Apple knows about it but does not really do much to prevent it, the jailbreakers get donations for their work.

There must be some time of an unwritten agreement that jailbreaks get delayed for a while.

If this all turns into an all out, open business, that's when you'll have to start worrying.

 

[EngageWithRage]

"Apple charges $30 for a whole OS update."

I've owned every iphone since they started making them, used every firmware update on every one of those phones and I have never once paid for an OS update.

I remember one time they actually charged for an iOS update, I just found it for free on line somewhere lol, cuz im a Pirate! Arrrrrr

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I guess I see your point. I'm just worried that it's gonna be harder and take longer for them to release jailbreaks in the future and maybe the guarantee of them getting paid would act as an incentive to make them work harder. Like I said, I don't know what the best price is I just know I'm willing to pay that much.

30 bucks is a little steep, but yes I would def be willing to pay for a jailbreak if it meant that it would be released as soon as it is ready for public use. 5 bucks sounds reasonable, and anyone who wants to give more can donate.

 

[Carlanga]

You guys/gals are going about it the wrong way. i0nic job is under security so he knows what he is talking about. Many hackers work under different companies that sell their hacks of various OS to the highest bidder. It could be home land security like it could be a private PI or police dept. in the worst cases they can sell to not so good people. Most hacks tend to sell in the six figure range and the hacks goes undisclosed to the public. The harder to hack an the more money they get. i0nic is basically seeing thousands of potential dollars go to waste while the iOS hacker can't even buy a new phone or have a good job

 

[3bs]

You guys/gals are going about it the wrong way. i0nic job is under security so he knows what he is talking about. Many hackers work under different companies that sell their hacks of various OS to the highest bidder. It could be home land security like it could be a private PI or police dept. in the worst cases they can sell to not so good people. Most hacks tend to sell in the six figure range and the hacks goes undisclosed to the public. The harder to hack an the more money they get. i0nic is basically seeing thousands of potential dollars go to waste while the iOS hacker can't even buy a new phone or have a good job

What you're saying reminded me of this http://www.cultofmac.com/155871/hackers-can-make-250000-selling-ios-exploits-to-the-government/

 

[google]

I think JB'rs should get a cut from slimeball Suarik who is minting $$$ on their work. If it was not for jailbreak, there would not be a Cydia!

 

[Netherscourge]

I think JB'rs should get a cut from slimeball Suarik who is minting $$$ on their work. If it was not for jailbreak, there would not be a Cydia!

It was Saurik who advised pod2g about a way to get through the iOS sandbox for the 5.0.1 Jailbreak.

Without that step, the iPad2/4S would not be Jailbroken yet.

So, what were you screaming at Saurik about again? Hmmm?

 

[The Highlander]

And you've been wrong a million times.

Prove it.... As far as I am concerned there is no way to prove what I've said because it hasn't happened yet.

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Not at all ...

A hacker can use any method or tools (including Apple Developer items) to modify his/her own phone.
Very much different when you are talking about a jailbreak tool for public release.
Very few of us out here are developers, so any tools which depend on that access are useless for distribution as a public release jailbreak tool.
Any tool to be released cannot contain any copyrighted code or firmware (Apple code or firmware as an example).
So jailbreaking a personal device where there are no concerns with public release is entirely different and very much quicker than building a legal tool which can be distributed without violations. A legal method must be found to implement the jailbreaking exploits.

That is what takes all the time, having an exploit that you can apply to your own iDevice by any means is the easiest part of the process. Packaging a working tool for general release so that Apple or another copyright holder cannot come after you is the challenge.

Which is precisely my point.

They can do it for themselves quite easily sometimes, but making a package for public release takes a WHOLE LOT of their time. Why spend that time when they already have it for themselves and it's not going to net them anything?

 

[TC25]

Prove it.... As far as I am concerned there is no way to prove what I've said because it hasn't happened yet.

Easy - Your contention is that what slows done the release of a public jb is money, i.e.;

• If the hackers were paid, they'd work more hours.
• If hackers were paid, there'd be more hackers working on it, working more hours.

Anyone who has ever been on an application development project knows some tasks simply take time and throwing (more) money or (more) people at the project doesn't help and in many cases hurts.

If 1 person is working on a project, adding a second person doesn't mean it will finish in half the time.

 

[thelatinist]

I think JB'rs should get a cut from slimeball Suarik who is minting $$$ on their work. If it was not for jailbreak, there would not be a Cydia!

Saurik is not minting money. He's comfortable, I'm sure, but he's not getting rich. Most Cydia revenues (which are a small percentage of only the paid apps...he doesn't even put ads in Cydia) go right into the company.

Also, Saurik is intimately involved in every jailbreak released. It is he who provides the Cydia bootstrap that's essential to making your jailbreak actually do something. And without his constant work on MobileSubstrate NONE of the most useful Cydia tweaks would be possible.