pod2g update via his blog

[Ksizzle9]

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We will live of course, because at the end of the day, it's still just a phone. It's also a phone that some of us paid close to $1,000 for and wanna do with it as we please. I agree with above poster that I don't want jailbreak to take forever and ever, I don't wanna have to leave the iPhone. All in all, it's the best overall phone out there. PERIOD. Nothing else can match it in overall experience. Some phones may have bigger screen, or something else better- but this is the TOTAL package for me. Even if at some point the iPhone becomes un-hackable, unjailbreakable, I will have to buy an android or something. However the iPhone will still be my daily driver in most cases. The one thing I'm still looking for(even tho- I have navigon and TomTom) is a better maps solution. It was the best ever seen in iPhone OS 1, it's lagging behind in this on every other major OS(not even sure u consider BB nemore). Either way, I'll likely have an iPhone as long as they are relevant.

 

[KentuckyHouse]

This experience waiting for a jailbreak might be what makes me switch to Android.

I really appreciate the work pod2g is doing but this is taking so long. 3 months with no jailbreak . If I stay on my cycle of always getting the new iPhone, I could potentially only have a jailbreak for at the most 9 months, then have to wait another 3-6 months. I imagine the new iPhone will be even harder to crack.

This is versus Android where I can do what I want, from the start.

Upsetting, because I like the iPhone a lot, but Apple is pissing me off.

I can't say I disagree with you. Unfortunately, people are going to misread what you said and think you're slamming the devs for taking so long, when in reality, it's Apple that's the problem here.

Fortunately for me, I've got the GSII to fall back on when I want to go the customization route. But there's nothing better than a jailbroken iPhone. Add to that the $$$ we have invested in Cydia apps and tweaks, and it would be nice to be able to use them.

Again, this isn't a shot at the devs. I know they're working hard on the jailbreak. It's more a shot at Apple for being so damn stubborn. It used to be fun, waiting for a jailbreak, playing cat-and-mouse with them. Now, they've decided to make it so difficult. It's like they're trying to frustrate users and the devs into just stopping trying to find an exploit.

Ah well...I'll just enjoy doing what I want on my GSII. My 4S will be ready and waiting when the jailbreak shows up.

 

[Dwalls90]

Nothing they've said points to that really. It's only the injection vector that is different. They have a nice wide open hole via limera1n run these exploits on A4. It sounds like they have some kind of hole they can only exploit with the SDK (which can be patched) that can be used to inject the exploit. This is why we've seen musclenerd weeks ago working on unlocks on a jailbroken a5.

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If it's bootrom they don't need to wait till 5.1, apple won't be able to close those without manufacturing changes. And would give them the injection vector they need and apple wont be able to do a thing about it. It would also let you downgrade to 5.0.1 with just the SHSH/APTicket and we wouldn't have then posting on twitter to get to 5.0.1 while you can.

Apple can always close the untethered portion though. So why burn an untethered component for all devices, when they already have the A4 bootrom and (maybe?) have the A5 bootroom too.

Bootrom exploit or not, they aren't going to drop an untethered jailbreak at a risky time, AKA when 5.1 is around the corner, unless they have a fix up their sleeve.

This experience waiting for a jailbreak might be what makes me switch to Android.

I really appreciate the work pod2g is doing but this is taking so long. 3 months with no jailbreak . If I stay on my cycle of always getting the new iPhone, I could potentially only have a jailbreak for at the most 9 months, then have to wait another 3-6 months. I imagine the new iPhone will be even harder to crack.

This is versus Android where I can do what I want, from the start.

Upsetting, because I like the iPhone a lot, but Apple is pissing me off.

Couldn't have said it better myself. From now on, I'm making a point of not buying an iOS device until there is a stable jailbreak. If the wait becomes too long, I'll simply upgrade to an Android device. I LOVE Apple iOS products, but I hate the closed ecosystem and will not run iOS stock forever.

 

[bansheebeat]

I don't really understand the correlation between a jailbreak release and Apple's 5.1 or 5.02 release. Anyone care to explain why this matters?

 

[nepalisherpa]

I don't really understand the correlation between a jailbreak release and Apple's 5.1 or 5.02 release. Anyone care to explain why this matters?

Which one would you rather have if you've already waited this long: jailbreak with 5.0.1 or jailbreak with 5.1? Devs may wait till 5.1 is released to see if Apple closes the exploit they found. If Apple does not, then they can use it to give us 5.1 jailbreak! This is just for A5!

 

[bansheebeat]

Which one would you rather have if you've already waited this long: jailbreak with 5.0.1 or jailbreak with 5.1? Devs may wait till 5.1 is released to see if Apple closes the exploit they found. If Apple does not, then they can use it to give us 5.1 jailbreak! This is just for A5!

Ah okay that makes perfect sense. I have a 4S and like everyone I have been waiting anxiously to see what happens. I didn't even think about the fact that if they didn't patch the exploit on 5.1 then we could have the latest and greatest OS jailbroken soon after it's released! But honestly if they have an exploit and working jailbreak couldn't they just release it and then when 5.1 comes out see if Apple patches it? Or once the jailbreak is released would Apple then be able to figure out exactly what they needed to patch before releasing 5.1?

 

[Dwalls90]

Ah okay that makes perfect sense. I have a 4S and like everyone I have been waiting anxiously to see what happens. I didn't even think about the fact that if they didn't patch the exploit on 5.1 then we could have the latest and greatest OS jailbroken soon after it's released! But honestly if they have an exploit and working jailbreak couldn't they just release it and then when 5.1 comes out see if Apple patches it? Or once the jailbreak is released would Apple then be able to figure out exactly what they needed to patch before releasing 5.1?

It depends. For A4 devices (iPhone 4, iPad, iPod Touch 4 and older devices), there is a bootrom level exploit. This means that these devices will FOREVER be jailbreak able, but the untethered ability depends on a userland (software level) exploit. At present, there is an untethered jailbreak for these devices.

For A5 devices, a bootrom level exploit hasn't been discovered yet (to our knowledge ), so we are presuming that the devs are relying on a userland jailbreak, which could be patched by a software update by Apple. Thus, if the jailbreak devs reveal their jailbreak right before a new version of iOS is released, than Apple can easily patch it and their hard work goes to waste.

What users are speculating, is that with 5.1 right around the corner, the devs are putting the final touches on the A5 jailbreak, but are waiting for Apple to show their cards and release 5.1 first before they release their jailbreak.

 

[maturola]

But honestly if they have an exploit and working jailbreak couldn't they just release it and then when 5.1 comes out see if Apple patches it? Or once the jailbreak is released would Apple then be able to figure out exactly what they needed to patch before releasing 5.1?

If they released it before 5.1 goes gold, apple WILL patch it that is a fact that is no a "wait and see" situación, so the smart thing do to is wait, that would support everyone instead or just a few.

 

[bradl]

Couldn't have said it better myself. From now on, I'm making a point of not buying an iOS device until there is a stable jailbreak. If the wait becomes too long, I'll simply upgrade to an Android device. I LOVE Apple iOS products, but I hate the closed ecosystem and will not run iOS stock forever.

Now you know why my 4s is still sitting in it's box waiting to be activated, a full download of the 9a405 build of 5.0.1 sitting on my mac, and I'm still on my jailbroken and unlocked iPhone 3G. There is no way anyone should have expected a jailbreak to be ready for any version of iOS for this new hardware, and that is the real source of the issue: people's unrealistic expectations. When you have patience and WAIT, your experience will be much better and your frustrations much less.

BL.

 

[Wowzera]

Now you know why my 4s is still sitting in it's box waiting to be activated, a full download of the 9a405 build of 5.0.1 sitting on my mac, and I'm still on my jailbroken and unlocked iPhone 3G. There is no way anyone should have expected a jailbreak to be ready for any version of iOS for this new hardware, and that is the real source of the issue: people's unrealistic expectations. When you have patience and WAIT, your experience will be much better and your frustrations much less.

BL.

So you won't be ready for the jailbreak, assuming your 4s is running 5.0 yet. If you don't upgrade you won't be able anymore (as soon as Apple stop signing). Unless you're waiting for software unlock...

 

[whiskeyvol]

So you won't be ready for the jailbreak, assuming your 4s is running 5.0 yet. If you don't upgrade you won't be able anymore (as soon as Apple stop signing). Unless you're waiting for software unlock...

i guess you missed the part of the discussion about the 'dream team' probably waiting for 5.1 until they release the a5 jailbreak

 

[Nautilus007]

whats the ddifference

the iPad 3 is coming out with an a6 anyway soon whats the point. You may as well wait till then....

 

[Shaddow825]

Apple can always close the untethered portion though. So why burn an untethered component for all devices, when they already have the A4 bootrom and (maybe?) have the A5 bootroom too.

Bootrom exploit or not, they aren't going to drop an untethered jailbreak at a risky time, AKA when 5.1 is around the corner, unless they have a fix up their sleeve.
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My point is, if they have a bootrom exploit right now for A5, it makes no sense to hold it any longer. Apple can't close the bootrom exploit, and they already have an ios5.0.1 untether to go with a bootrom exploit. Use the bootrom exploit alongwith the current untether and hold this new untether you think they are saving (if it exists) until they need it. Then everyone gets an untethered 5.0.1 and a 5.1+

Because they aren't doing it now, that tells me it isn't a bootrom exploit and it's likely the same exploit, they just need a way to inject it, and that way will probably be userland. Hell, they might already know that the current untether was closed in the 5.1 betas for all we know, which is why we are seeing these very uncharacteristically public updates implying a lot of rush.

 

[la79]

If they released it before 5.1 goes gold, apple WILL patch it that is a fact that is no a "wait and see" situación, so the smart thing do to is wait, that would support everyone instead or just a few.

I think Apple will patch the exploit with the release of 5.1 regardless. If I'm not mistaken pod2g already explained how the exploit works for the a4 chip and iOS5 on his blog. Isn't it the same for the A5?

So what difference does it make if he releases now or waits?

 

[Shaddow825]

I think Apple will patch the exploit with the release of 5.1 regardless. If I'm not mistaken pod2g already explained how the exploit works for the a4 chip and iOS5 on his blog. Isn't it the same for the A5?

So what difference does it make if he releases now or waits?

The difference the best I can tell, is the only way he has to use this exploit on an A5 is through something that a developer gets/has, that has an exploit they can use to run it (much like they use limera1n on older phones to run it). One, most people wont be able to use it, and 2, since they dont have a bootrom exploit, they said they do not want to burn this exploit as it's the only way they have into the system to even try and find a5 untethers.

 

[Dwalls90]

Now you know why my 4s is still sitting in it's box waiting to be activated, a full download of the 9a405 build of 5.0.1 sitting on my mac, and I'm still on my jailbroken and unlocked iPhone 3G. There is no way anyone should have expected a jailbreak to be ready for any version of iOS for this new hardware, and that is the real source of the issue: people's unrealistic expectations. When you have patience and WAIT, your experience will be much better and your frustrations much less.

BL.

I would DFU restore it to 5.0.1. You aren't required to activate it if you use this method. At present there's no untethered jailbreak for A4 devices on 5.0, and may not be for 5.1, depending on when the A5 jailbreak is released.

My point is, if they have a bootrom exploit right now for A5, it makes no sense to hold it any longer. Apple can't close the bootrom exploit, and they already have an ios5.0.1 untether to go with a bootrom exploit. Use the bootrom exploit alongwith the current untether and hold this new untether you think they are saving (if it exists) until they need it. Then everyone gets an untethered 5.0.1 and a 5.1+

Who's to say that the untether component for A4 devices will work on the A5's if they have a bootrom exploit for A5 devices? I don't think you exactly understand how it works ... I'm not saying you're necessarily right or wrong, but it's presumptuous to assume it's THAT easy. I would assume that it's more difficult than you're making it out to be, and that the untethered component may require some different exploits, especially for A5. But that's assuming that there is even a bootrom exploit for A5 ... which there's no evidence of yet. If they had one, I'm not sure why they wouldn't reveal it. It's not like Apple can patch it, as you said.

Because they aren't doing it now, that tells me it isn't a bootrom exploit and it's likely the same exploit, they just need a way to inject it, and that way will probably be userland. Hell, they might already know that the current untether was closed in the 5.1 betas for all we know, which is why we are seeing these very uncharacteristically public updates implying a lot of rush.

Good thinking, but where have we seen that it's a rush? Plus, we were told to stay on 5.0.1 and it's not like 5.1 looks promising for any real updates. I guess we'll have to accept the 4S battery will always pale in comparison to the 4.

I think Apple will patch the exploit with the release of 5.1 regardless. If I'm not mistaken pod2g already explained how the exploit works for the a4 chip and iOS5 on his blog. Isn't it the same for the A5?

So what difference does it make if he releases now or waits?

Apple will patch the untethered component, hands down. However, they can't patch the tethered jailbreak for A4 devices.

I think that they must have another untether exploit up their sleeves, if they were so willingly wishing to release the 5.0.1 one so late in the game, and with the A5 release clearly not being as easy or as soon as we all thought.

 

[whiskeyvol]

I think that they must have another untether exploit up their sleeves, if they were so willingly wishing to release the 5.0.1 one so late in the game, and with the A5 release clearly not being as easy or as soon as we all thought.

only logical explanation imo. i also think that pod2g was probably baiting apple w/ his explanation of how exactly they got the jailbreak to work. the a5 jailbreak is probably done a completely different way.

 

[TriJetHero]

From P0sixninja twitter

@YourAnonNews thanks for the mention. Things are going smoothly so far

In response to AnonNews:

the iPhone 4S isn't able to be jailbroken until @pod2g @MuscleNerd @p0sixninja and crew drop it later this week.

 

[whiskeyvol]

In response to AnonNews:

the iPhone 4S isn't able to be jailbroken until @pod2g @MuscleNerd @p0sixninja and crew drop it later this week.

 

[McBeats]

blabbityblooo

 

[bradl]

So you won't be ready for the jailbreak, assuming your 4s is running 5.0 yet. If you don't upgrade you won't be able anymore (as soon as Apple stop signing). Unless you're waiting for software unlock...

I believe you missed the part about my having the full download of 5.0.1 (9a405) sitting on my Mac.

I am ready for the jailbreak, but may also need the unlock. I never said I wasn't prepared, but just haven't activated my 4S and complained like everyone else has about a jailbreak taking to long, because I know how long it could take to find exploits like this. A lot of people don't appreciate the time it takes to do this, and that reveals a lot about themselves.

BL.

 

[RotaryP7]

What should I do? Should I admit I've made mistakes?

 

[yamatitan]

I believe you missed the part about my having the full download of 5.0.1 (9a405) sitting on my Mac.

I am ready for the jailbreak, but may also need the unlock. I never said I wasn't prepared, but just haven't activated my 4S and complained like everyone else has about a jailbreak taking to long, because I know how long it could take to find exploits like this. A lot of people don't appreciate the time it takes to do this, and that reveals a lot about themselves.

BL.

I dont think it matters if you have the software downloaded if apple wont sign it.

 

[Ksizzle9]

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Idk what u cats are arguing about but from @pod2g's twitter or whoevers, it looked to me like the bomb(c what I did there?) was dropped that the A5 JB will be released this week. So help me god I will not update or I will get a new phone lol

 

[thelatinist]

I believe you missed the part about my having the full download of 5.0.1 (9a405) sitting on my Mac.

It doesn't matter whether you've downloaded the file, if it's not installed on your phone before Apple stops signing install requests you WILL NOT be able to install it on your phone. Any time you install iOS on a phone, it MUST phone home to Apple for permission. If you wait until after 5.1 is released you will ONLY be able to install 5.1.