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Pod2g wants your vote on the next jailbreak

I'm guessing:

---People on 5.0.1 are voting to WAIT.

---People with a New iPad are voting NOW.

---People on 5.1 are voting NOW.

I had 5.0.1 JB, but upgraded to 5.1 due to the horrible battery drain in standby mode.

Now, I would like a 5.1 JB. But if they want to wait for 6.0, that's fine. But I think the 5.1 exploits will be broken in 6.0 and it'll just be prolonging the JB process.
 
It seems as though, the iphone 4 5.1 and 4s 5.0.1 already JB'ed users are saying "meh, let's wait til 6.0" because they already have a JB'ed device.

Those of us 4s users on 5.1 now (not by choice, apple gave me mine that way :(), want the 5.1 JB now.

Just saying, the poll will most certainly be skewed, depending on the audience voting...

I voted for now... And I agree that any exploits, loopholes, etc. will be patched in 6.0 regardless of public acknowledgement (I'm sure apple has it figured out long before the JB scene does).

Edit: I really was typing this as Netherscourge replied, not that I copied his reponse :D
 
I think waiting for iOS6....is not worth it....what if Apple patches the exploits? comes around time for iOS6 and they are gone? then what will you do? wait for 3+months for a jailbreak to jailbreak your iOS6 or even iOS5.1? or be on the last version before iOS6 with jailbreak? because if apple releases anything in between 5.1 and iOS6 it will be only to block the exploits nothing more. BUTT if the doubt becomes true and the exploits are patched in iOS6...then everyones going to be out of luck because even tho news travels on the internet almost at the speed of light its still going to leave tons of people hanging who will upgrade in excitement of iOS6 or that are on iOS 5.1 already.....thinking that the jailbreak is already "Ready" and will be out anyday.....as we all know logically it has become tougher for the jailbreak community to package and release the jailbreaks with apple adding newer forms of security in each major update. The JB community has some truly genius people in it but even then it takes them serious amount of time and effort to get the jailbreaks out to us....therefore I would rather have the jailbreak out now....and use it plus support the developers by purchasing their cydia apps rather than hold off as that is the only way most of them get paid......I bet there will be many FIRST TIME Jailbreakers who purchased iPhone 4S with 5.1 on it.....so thats more people joining the community with potential for more sales of cydia tweaks and add-ons.

PS im jailbroken on iOS 5.0.1 but wouldn't mind upgrading to iOS 5.1 as I only have a iPhone 4S no other iOS device...I say Release NOW! Also I think many others have pointed out excellent reasons as to why they should release now then later.
 
glis said:
Obviously wait for the iOS 6 beta which will be released at WWDC in 6 weeks. This is not rocket science.
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^^
This

If any of the 3 exploits are closed in iOS6 beta, release the jailbreak for 5.1 using the closed exploit. If all 3 are still open, burn one.
 
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Is the basis of this poll that if he releases it Apple would fix the exploits, where if he holds it off, they wouldn't know what to fix, so iOS6 would be near instantly jailbreakable?
 
cclloyd9785 said:
Is the basis of this poll that if he releases it Apple would fix the exploits, where if he holds it off, they wouldn't know what to fix, so iOS6 would be near instantly jailbreakable?
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I wouldnt say instantly jailbreakable.
With a major update from 5.1 to 6.0 there is so many changes that go into the OS that even if the exploits are still there there's going to be lots of work to rework the JB and make it possible on the new firmware.
But its doable and only a matter of time. If the exploits are not there and patched then we're back to square one and starting from scratch.
 
cclloyd9785 said:
Is the basis of this poll that if he releases it Apple would fix the exploits, where if he holds it off, they wouldn't know what to fix, so iOS6 would be near instantly jailbreakable?
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That's the general gist.

But this is making a HUGE assumption that their 5.1 exploits would actually work with 6.0.

Even if Apple doesn't know about the exploits, they might alter iOS 5.1's sandbox structure and security parameters enough in iOS 6.0 that those exploits would be unusable anyway.
 
Netherscourge said:
That's the general gist.

But this is making a HUGE assumption that their 5.1 exploits would actually work with 6.0.

Even if Apple doesn't know about the exploits, they might alter iOS 5.1's sandbox structure and security parameters enough in iOS 6.0 that those exploits would be unusable anyway.
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That's a good point too.
Its all unknown for now.
 
Netherscourge said:
That's the general gist.

But this is making a HUGE assumption that their 5.1 exploits would actually work with 6.0.

Even if Apple doesn't know about the exploits, they might alter iOS 5.1's sandbox structure and security parameters enough in iOS 6.0 that those exploits would be unusable anyway.
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you are making HUGE assumption as well, (which is pretty much all anyone can do at this point), since you don't know the "nature" of the exploits and what can be affected, Pod2g is well known developer so if he say that there is possibility that those are not patch or even found, he got something to back it up, there is of course always that gamble factor for anything jailbreak, but IMO it worth saving it to benefit everyone instead of just a smaller group.
 
Anyone think that 3GS will get iOS6 or will they stop on iOS5, since it seems 3GS can barley handle iOS5.
 
I think waiting for iOS 6 would be unwise. Just release it ASAP and let it get used while iOS 5.1 is still current and signed.

Not releasing would probably be enough to just get me to throw in the towel on the whole jb thing--and I have had jailbroken iphones since July of 2007.

My iPhone 4 and V1 iPhone were unlocked by AT&T. My 4S can be unlocked without a jb with a $20 gevey. So I don't need a jailbreak for that.

And I am jailbroken now on 5.0.1 with the 4S that I use. But would I buy another Cydia app at this point in time? No way. It's insulting to pay for an app that could disappear should I end up needing to do a simple restore.

Which brings me to the other elephant in the room: the SHSH blobs situation. Without a method to rollback to older, no longer signed, firmware I feel being able to jb is getting moot. I am already on borrowed time with my 4S.

So I say release what you can, as soon as possible.



Michael
 
5.1 and 6.0 will be way diff, I'm sure it's a whole diff animal that hacker have to deal w, and plus it's too long to wait for the gm of 6.0 and remember when the beta of 5.0 came out? Everyone was like woo yea, we have like 5 exploit for it, then the final drop and they all were like ****, they closed all the whole, let's start over. Who said 6.0 won't be the same?
 
Overall it's a moot point. iOS 6 beta is about 6 weeks away. Pod2g's tool is (probably) 3-6 weeks away. If he's smart he will wait to see if his exploits work on the iOS 6 beta and make a decision at that point. No sense in salvaging a few weeks of 5.1 users being able to jailbreak when they could jailbreak the new iPhone and iOS 6 within weeks of release.

Netherscourge said:
ALWAYS release Jailbreaks ASAP.

iOS 6 will mostly likely close whatever exploits they have discovered, whether they reveal them or not.

If they got a 5.1 Jailbreak ready to go, then should should release it ASAP.

Chances are that Apple will alter iOS 6 enough that the 5.1 exploits wouldn't work anyway. And then once they stop signing 5.1, a lot of people who upgrade to iOS 6 would be screwed. And those who are still on the 5.0.1 Jailbreak would be TWO iOS upgrades behind everyone else.

They apparently have 3 different 5.1 JB methods available, from what I've read the past month - use ONE of them for 5.1 and hold the others for iOS 6.

Problem solved.
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Are you working on the unreleased/disclosed iOS 6? How do know the exploits will magically be discovered and closed in a matter of weeks? I have never seen Apple closing holes in newer versions of iOS, unless they were used in a previous iOS version jailbreak or someone leaked them.

Chances are iOS 6 will build on iOS 5, thus unless it's a COMPLETELY new software, it will share the same exploits that already exist.

Also, one exploit is by icon1c and the other uses Apple's own programs which would violate the user license for developers and be illegal. Pod2G is the only person with a jailbreak exploit on the horizon, unless he has more than one set of exploits or there is someone else not speaking up.

And would you rather have 5.1 or 6 jailbroken? That's common sense. iOS 5.1 really offers no additional functionality other than stupid features to bait users to upgrade to 5.1.

jpcarro said:
^^
This

If any of the 3 exploits are closed in iOS6 beta, release the jailbreak for 5.1 using the closed exploit. If all 3 are still open, burn one.
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Exactly. The iOS 6 beta will probably be released around the time the 5.1 tool would be prepared anyways. Might as well hold out and go from there. No one forced you to buy an iPad 3 now, or wait to buy an iPhone now. There has been a 6 month window.
 
Chpwn to pod2g on twitter

"@pod2g Holding off has never once worked before, so I'll go with "no". Luckily, that's also what most people will choose. :)"

Hopefully Pod2g takes down that poll now and gets to finishing the jailbreak for immediate release.
 
When you read the following statement keep in mind I'm on 5.0.1 with a fully working untethered jailbreak.

Why would you wait for iOS 6? The public upgrade is still months away which means that any users outside of the early adopter 4S devices and The New iPad will be out of luck.
 
The percentage of voters who want to wait is slowly increasing. Earlier today when I voted, they were 37%. Now it's 41%. With 6 days left who knows which side will win.
 
Wirelessly posted

Release it. There's no guarantee this jailbreak will work on ios6 and there's no guarantee there will ever be a jailbreak for ios6. But by all accounts there is a guarantee that there's a jailbreak for 5.1. Based on what we know as fact and what we know as assumption, pod2g and the dev team should release the 5.1 jailbreak as soon as its ready.

When the ios6 betas come out then they can take a look at what it'll take to jailbreak. Then move forward strategically from there.
 
I think he should release it not only because it might not work on iOS6, but also because of the changes in 5.1.

5.1 was released with a new device. For some new apps or updates to apps to take advantage of that, they need 5.1, which means anyone that wants to use these news apps require 5.1. It leaves a lot of apps that are in the making and/or awesome updates that couldn't come before possible.

Idk if I got the wording of that correct...
 
Another issue.....Apple seem's to be fixing the "SAM" unlock method.....so the sooner the jailbreak is out...the sooner ALOT of people can backup their SAM Activation TICKETS! THIS IS CRUCIAL for UNLOCKING!
 
Netherscourge said:
I'm guessing:

---People on 5.0.1 are voting to WAIT.

---People with a New iPad are voting NOW.

---People on 5.1 are voting NOW.

I had 5.0.1 JB, but upgraded to 5.1 due to the horrible battery drain in standby mode.

Now, I would like a 5.1 JB. But if they want to wait for 6.0, that's fine. But I think the 5.1 exploits will be broken in 6.0 and it'll just be prolonging the JB process.
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I'm on 5.1 on all my devices (iPhone and iPad, plus the latest on my ATV 3 whatever its most recent version is) and my iPad is the new one. I've voted to wait until at least the first developer preview.
 
3bs said:
Do the people voting to wait already have a jailbroken device? Is that why you're voting to wait? My 4S is jailbroken too but I would like to do a fresh restore. That's not the reason I voted to release it though. It would just suck if we waited and find out that the Apple patched the exploits. And like someone mentioned, we don't all want a jb beta.
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My apple tv 3 needs a jailbreak


Also my iPad 2
 
Che Castro said:
My apple tv 3 needs a jailbreak


Also my iPad 2
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No guarantee the JB will apply to the AppleTV 3, since the Apple TVs generally don't have as many applications (if the vulnerability is in safari for example, then the JB wouldnt apply to the ATV3)

I personally want the jailbreak now since October is quite far. Last time they tried holding exploits they were all fixed by the time of release. Might as well JB 5.1 now and work towards a future exploit.
 
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