Can someone explain what all these terms mean.
Does that mean both of those exploits give the same end result or do they need both for one jailbreak?
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Can someone explain what all these terms mean.
Does that mean both of those exploits give the same end result or do they need both for one jailbreak?
I think he's saying he found a low level (BootROM or iBoot) exploit (24kpwn, Limera1n, steaks4uce) and a Kernel exploit like i0n1c's 4.3.X exploit. If he found a BootROM hole it's freaking huge and needs to be heavily guarded until after the iPhone 5 release. BootROM. Exploits such as limera1n mean a device is jailbroken tethered for life and they make injection of the untether much much easier!
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Or could be untethered for life depending on the bootrom exploit for all we know.
One can always hope
Or could be untethered for life depending on the bootrom exploit for all we know.
One can always hope
Or that as well! I'm typing thus from a 24kpwn'd 3GS and I must say that it's nice to always just upgrade to the newest firmware whenever it's released and still be untethered!
I hear you, gotta love the early bootrom 3GS models.
He didnt say if he found the root exploit on an i4 of 4S huh?
I doubt anybody is looking on the A4 devices anymore since they already have 2 BootROM exploits for those devices. I'd imagine they're strictly working on the A5X now
I don't think root exploit is the same thing as iboot or bootrom. If I had to guess, root would be lower level than userland, but higher than kernel land.
You very well could be correct. I was simply assuming by Root level that he was implying a very low level exploit. I hope I'm right and you're wrong
The KERNEL is the bridge between software data on the SSD and the CPU itself.
If he's found a way to intercept software data on the way to the CPU, he can alter memory addresses in the RAM. That lets him "open up more doors" so to speak to manipulate signed software as it's running.
Now, if by ROOT exploit he means device firmware, then he could have an iOS sandbox bypass. Which means he's found a trick around the stingy iOS security setup that blocks unofficial or unsigned software from running or even being installed. But a firmware exploit is device-specific. So what would work on a iPhone 4S, for example, might not work the same on a New iPad. But thanks to Apple's Eco-System, all their iOS devices are VERY similar to begin with. So I would think minor adjustments could be made.
Again - it's hard to tell exactly what he's found or has access to - I'm sure he won't reveal it publicly so Apple doesn't go ahead and close these holes.
But those are two very big steps toward a new Jailbreak.
I don't think he's got a bootROM exploit though. So he'll have to try another creative Absinthe-style injection.
Who knows. Still, it's promising news.
If he's found a way to intercept software data on the way to the CPU, he can alter memory addresses in the RAM. That lets him "open up more doors" so to speak to manipulate signed software as it's running.
Now, if by ROOT exploit he means device firmware, then he could have an iOS sandbox bypass. Which means he's found a trick around the stingy iOS security setup that blocks unofficial or unsigned software from running or even being installed. But a firmware exploit is device-specific. So what would work on a iPhone 4S, for example, might not work the same on a New iPad. But thanks to Apple's Eco-System, all their iOS devices are VERY similar to begin with. So I would think minor adjustments could be made.
Again - it's hard to tell exactly what he's found or has access to - I'm sure he won't reveal it publicly so Apple doesn't go ahead and close these holes.
But those are two very big steps toward a new Jailbreak.
I don't think he's got a bootROM exploit though. So he'll have to try another creative Absinthe-style injection.
Who knows. Still, it's promising news.
Exactly.
These new exploits should be saved for IOS 6 but the previous exploits we voted on in the poll should be used for immediate release.
Sure he could probably do that. No doubt he has a developers license and can resign apps, but that would only work on his unique device. He'd have to get a certificate for every device he'd want to jailbreak. Then on top of that he wouldn't have root access to install any future apps/make changes to the file system as he saw fit.
Installing an app is not the hard part, its gaining root access at a lower level. Once you have that, many higher level things just fall in place
Sure he could probably do that. No doubt he has a developers license and can resign apps, but that would only work on his unique device. He'd have to get a certificate for every device he'd want to jailbreak. Then on top of that he wouldn't have root access to install any future apps/make changes to the file system as he saw fit.
Installing an app is not the hard part, its gaining root access at a lower level. Once you have that, many higher level things just fall in place
That makes sence xD Thanks for explaining!
You mean "[ note that I'm against piracy: no sim unlock, installous, xsellize, etc. ]"?
He's saying he's against them not endorsing them..
One day to go in the poll and it is
92978 (62%) Don't Wait
51695 (34%) Wait
So it's close to 2:1 in favor of releasing now. Perhaps the latest news is really adding to the don't wait votes.
Or perhaps pod2g really did count chpwn's yes vote as 10,000 votes.
Michael
92978 (62%) Don't Wait
51695 (34%) Wait
So it's close to 2:1 in favor of releasing now. Perhaps the latest news is really adding to the don't wait votes.
Or perhaps pod2g really did count chpwn's yes vote as 10,000 votes
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One day to go in the poll and it is
92978 (62%) Don't Wait
51695 (34%) Wait
So it's close to 2:1 in favor of releasing now. Perhaps the latest news is really adding to the don't wait votes.
Or perhaps pod2g really did count chpwn's yes vote as 10,000 votes
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Lol no I don't think he actually added his 10k votes to the poll but he might after
The question now is if pod2g is actually going to release it like the majority want or if he's just seeing what people think but the final decision is his.
So the uninformed don't use them? I would assume he's listing them so people know they're bad. I've seen quite a few videos of people telling you on YouTube videos to add them as a source in Cydia to install an app.
What's the harm of naming them? It's not like those sites are so underground that most people wouldn't know of them without pod2g's blog. I think he's just explicitly stating that he doesn't support them in a (probably futile) effort to stop people from bugging him about how to use installous.
What I don't understand though is how SIM unlocking is considered piracy.
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I too would also like to know. Recently ion1c tweeted some remarks about unlocking and he insinuated that he's against it. MuscleNerd promptly tweeted a response saying that a lot of countries don't consider it illegal, including USA.
I'm curious as to the global reaction to unlocking.
I'm personally against it unless you purchased a factory unlock, or the original carrier unlocked it. It seems wrong to me that someone purchases a subsidized 4S from AT&T with their upgrade for only $200 when the retail price is about $650. AT&T offers this deal with the intention of earning that customers business. But they proceed to unlock and use a prepaid or whatever.
I guess if the purchaser goes this avenue, then they would pay the early termination fee otherwise they're paying two separate phone companies monthly.
I've never unlocked as I've never had a reason. I can see why some are against. Any insight from unlockers or people with knowledge on this topic?
Sorry I totally hijacked this thread. I'm sorry. I'm just looking for some basic info. I should probably start a new thread. Or search.
Back on topic...I vote to release the JB now!
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I too would also like to know. Recently ion1c tweeted some remarks about unlocking and he insinuated that he's against it. MuscleNerd promptly tweeted a response saying that a lot of countries don't consider it illegal, including USA.
I'm curious as to the global reaction to unlocking.
I'm personally against it unless you purchased a factory unlock, or the original carrier unlocked it. It seems wrong to me that someone purchases a subsidized 4S from AT&T with their upgrade for only $200 when the retail price is about $650. AT&T offers this deal with the intention of earning that customers business. But they proceed to unlock and use a prepaid or whatever.
I guess if the purchaser goes this avenue, then they would pay the early termination fee otherwise they're paying two separate phone companies monthly.
I've never unlocked as I've never had a reason. I can see why some are against. Any insight from unlockers or people with knowledge on this topic?
Sorry I totally hijacked this thread. I'm sorry. I'm just looking for some basic info. I should probably start a new thread. Or search.
Back on topic...I vote to release the JB now!
Don't forget that, to buy an iPhone for 200$ you must sign a 2-year contract... So, even if you unlock and change your carrier, you're still attached to the contract
I would perhaps agree to your argument if AT&T wasn't guaranteed its money either way by way of the contract. If I buy a subszidized phone, I make a commitment to hold onto service for 2 years or agree to pay an early termination fee in exchange for a shorter term. Even if I were to unlock the phone, I'm still stuck with that commitment. As per that agreement, I own the phone as soon as I sign the dotted line. If I manage to unlock the phone - AT&T doesn't lose out on my money (except perhaps on revenue from international usage, but most international travelers would just end up buying a cheaper dumb phone for calls and use the iPhone as an iPod in that situation)
It doesn't matter. 1/3 of the community saying to wait is already uncharacteristic from the typical "RELEASE IT NOW" attitude. And just because over 65% of the voters ask for it now, doesn't mean that's what he'll do. Surely he's just trying to gauge the community.
IMO:
Jailbreaking iPad 3 and iPhone 5 on iOS 6 >>> Jailbreaking iPad 3 and iPhone 4S on iOS 5 (You already can jailbreak your 4S unless you messed it up).
Exploit finders and jailbreak devs REALLY need to start conserving and being more intelligent about burning exploits. iOS is becoming more secure and the mobile chips are as well. They can't just continue releasing a jailbreak within weeks for each new iDevice or iOS. If people want to jailbreak, they have to start being safer and more conservative - paying closer to attention to iOS updates, knowing that if they buy a new iDevice they may have to wait a few months for a jailbreak.
That's just how the cookie crumbles. The SAME people that are whining for the iPad 3/5.1 jailbreak right now will be CRYING a year from now when there are no exploits for iOS 7 or the iPad 4/new iPhone.
IMO:
Jailbreaking iPad 3 and iPhone 5 on iOS 6 >>> Jailbreaking iPad 3 and iPhone 4S on iOS 5 (You already can jailbreak your 4S unless you messed it up).
Exploit finders and jailbreak devs REALLY need to start conserving and being more intelligent about burning exploits. iOS is becoming more secure and the mobile chips are as well. They can't just continue releasing a jailbreak within weeks for each new iDevice or iOS. If people want to jailbreak, they have to start being safer and more conservative - paying closer to attention to iOS updates, knowing that if they buy a new iDevice they may have to wait a few months for a jailbreak.
That's just how the cookie crumbles. The SAME people that are whining for the iPad 3/5.1 jailbreak right now will be CRYING a year from now when there are no exploits for iOS 7 or the iPad 4/new iPhone.