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Why?

Why would anyone want to read, edit, or create these sorts of documents on an iPhone? It just doesn't seem like the right device for it. Why not just wait until you get to your desktop or your laptop? Do you really get attached .doc and .xls files that are that important? I don't.

on the go, you may download that kind of files from email message or from internet webpage.

I can keep linting all the possible reasons people may want to open up the .doc or .xls to check something.
Yes, they probably don't want to edit, but they should be able to open it up and read.



WHAT???????????WIFI CANNOT DO VOIP????
wow. nice progress
 
...Even with its clearly compromised potential, this is an amazing device that no other phone can equal for all it does-- and it isn't only a phone!!!! Wait for the months to unfold and see where this puppy, based on the best OS out there, OS X, goes.

I hope Apple listens to all these comments. Frankly I am not so impressed with that phone. Functionality and flexibility has to improve. WHAT? I won't be able to read documents that people send me by e-mail? Steve, you beter fix this. Also, this obsession not to use a stylus, it appears as Steve doesn't want anything that could remind people of a PDA since he dumped the Newton. Some people would love to use one. Perhaps to take a quick note. Or to draw a quick sketch. Or simply because they don't want to touch the screen too much with their sweaty, greasy fingers. Actually I have a Palm TX and a bluetooth phone. I would love to have a little gadget based on OS X with more functionality. Right now, the only real advantage the iPhone appears to have over my Palm TX - Bluetooth phone combo is the better browser, it is true, the Palm browser sucks (but it appears that the iPhone version of Safari will have some serious limitations too). Otherwise, I can listen to music, watch movies (4 GB SD cards have become really cheap), use e-pocrates for drug reference, take notes, .... Other than that, I have a mobile phone plan that is extremely competitive and flexible (800 minutes/month for 40 bucks, no contract. I had to pay somewhat more for the phone but it was worth it). Unlikely that the iPhone as it is now will make me to move to Cingular for a 2-year contract.
 
Keep in mind, Cingular is a company that recently acquired AT&T and Voicestream, thus making it the largest mobile carrier in the U.S.

FWIW Voicestream is T-Mobile USA, having been bought by DT a few years ago. It was never purchased by Cingular. But it certainly is the largest carrier in the US.
 
WHAT???????????WIFI CANNOT DO VOIP????
wow. nice progress

I think this would not be in the best interest of Cingular... Perhaps VOIP will be actively prevented, Apple wants to have full control on what is being installed...
 
One thing about VOIP. I don't remember if it was mentioned here. But it may be avoided for the time being because of the iPhone name debacle. Cisco's iPhone is a VOIP phone. Adding that functionality may cause more problems.
 
I am ready to replace my SE P900 whenever Apple's ready, if I ever get the chance (if it ever reaches Belgium, which I'm still not sure of because of the laws that forbid locked phones here).

But I do really really need one thing and that's Outlook integration. And so does every windows user (I'm a double platform user FYI). No way I can buy this without it. I don't really care about word or excel, I never use these on my P900 either (however I could if I wanted to). But Outlook integration is a no brainer.

I'm very anxious to see where this is going...
 
on the go, you may download that kind of files from email message or from internet webpage.

I can keep linting all the possible reasons people may want to open up the .doc or .xls to check something.
Yes, they probably don't want to edit, but they should be able to open it up and read.



WHAT???????????WIFI CANNOT DO VOIP????
wow. nice progress

I really don't understand when people want to open excel spreadsheet in pda and mobile phone. As a businessman I usualy work on spreadsheets with hundreds of lines and lots of columns with complex formulas and lots of graphs. Serious people wont ever consider to open these kind of docs on their mobiles. They will just use their powereful notebook or desktop computer with a glorious 19inch screen to view and edit. So this is funny argument for me. No I dont want to open or check anything on my mobile. I will just wait to go to my office and do that.
 
I really don't understand when people want to open excel spreadsheet in pda and mobile phone. As a businessman I usualy work on spreadsheets with hundreds of lines and lots of columns with complex formulas and lots of graphs. Serious people wont ever consider to open these kind of docs on their mobiles. They will just use their powereful notebook or desktop computer with a glorious 19inch screen to view and edit. So this is funny argument for me. No I dont want to open or check anything on my mobile. I will just wait to go to my office and do that.

Exactly. Not only that, but the mobile versions of Word and Excel are not feature-complete, nor are they capable of rendering the full standard formatting. The documents I work with have specific formatting set by conventions and statutes, and Word mobile can't display them properly (or even meaningfully--the line numbers get scattered into the text). If I make any changes from my smartphone, I can forget about being able to print them--any of it would be rejected by the court.

Mobile document access is a complete gimmick that only matters for geeks who want to find missing "features" or for people who don't actually use any of the advanced features of the Office programs and therefore might as well just save everything as a text document or an HTML table, for all it matters.

The contract limitation is a pretty big deal IMO. It's really a HUGE cap on the phone's versatility, and while I might spend $600 or even more for an unlocked phone (if it was a good one) I would not spend $600 for a locked phone, even the iPhone. Too expensive for what it is.

So unlock it. It's not against the law--there is a specific exemption for it, in fact. Carriers are not permitted to prosecute or punish in any way customers who unlock their phones.
 
3g

One more thing to add to the ongoing 3G debate:

When the phone finally debuts in Europe, it seems probable that then, or shortly afterwards, it will support UMTS. This is because a non-3G "smartphone" (or "internet communicator" if you prefer that) is dead in the water in Europe. I would imagine they'll have difficulty finding any operators who'd want to subsidize something that only works on GSM networks, and only efficiently works on EDGE networks, and even if they do, people are going to make serious comparisons between the 3G smartphones already on sale in Europe and Apple's crippled effort.

This is being extrapolated to mean "Don't worry folks, an unlocked, 3G phone will be out by the end of the year, we'll just have to import them from Europe."

Unfortunately, that's not the case. Europe has standardized on 1900MHz/2100 as the frequency pair used for 3G over there. In the US, Cingular's current network uses 1900 for both the uplink and downlink, 850MHz for both too, and both Cingular and T-Mobile will be rolling out UMTS over 1700MHz/2100MHz in the near future.

This confusion is why 3G phones aren't being imported in quite the same way as 2G phones are.

So if you're looking at this as "It doesn't matter, 3G will come soon because it has to for Europe", then you're probably going to be disappointed. Unless you live in Europe. You're unlikely to be able to use a European, unlocked, 3G Apple Telephonic Device on T-Mobile USA except in EDGE mode.
 
Yes, that is understandable, two telephony devices that can do VOIP may upset Cisco.

All the more reason why Apple should drop the iPhone crap it created for itself and rename it something else.

One thing about VOIP. I don't remember if it was mentioned here. But it may be avoided for the time being because of the iPhone name debacle. Cisco's iPhone is a VOIP phone. Adding that functionality may cause more problems.
 
i can understand the disappointment that some of these features might not be in the first iphone but some of the knee-jerk reactions in this thread are almost embarassing to read. this phone is SIX MONTHS away from being released. that is, wait for it, about 20% of its total development time. given the number of features that have been incorporated in the first two years, and that includes the time taken to physically design the thing, i wouldn't be surprised if apple addresses at least 60-70% of the major gripes, yet some of you are talking like it has already been released!

seriously, calm down... if apple don't get it quite right in june i am certain that by 2009 the iphone will be unquestionably the best mobile phone in the world. it will have ipod's status in the mobile phone world, but without ipod's marketshare.

so to all of the doubters... i was only 12 at the time but it seems to me that the tam was massively overpriced right from the beginning. the g4 cube was not aimed at a large market and was overpriced given that it was just a computer. the iphone is aiming at the largest electronic market in the world and is competitively priced (this thing looks eons ahead of anything i've ever seen), and yet some of you are talking like it has already failed.
 
That's one of the interesting tidbits about this phone, it really doesn't look like it's been aimed at business users. Apparently Apple decided to carve out a different territory that most phone makers have largely ignored.


Then why did he make such a pooint to compare it to RIM, Treos, and other business phones? The whole point of those phones is business connectivity. Even in the after-keynote interviews, the comparisons were made. If all he is doing is comparing them because of their looks (but not feature set) then he's completely misrepresenting the product. A more apt comparison would have been a SE w810i or Nokia N73 etc.

As the iPhone stands NOW, no its not a smartphone. But maybe by the time it appears in June will have Exchange support, document retrieval and editing. I could see third party programs being sold through iTunes. It would make complete sense and the structure is already in place. I'm waiting for the 2nd or 3rd generation before saving cash for this.
 
iPhone and Comparison/Critiques

I've read with great interest what most of you have blogged on this forum and the one thing that keeps coming up is this. Why have the leading competitors in this market never really innovated in the same way Apple has? Not one of these companies has really come close in my opinion in developing a Smart Phone with the UI and ease of use nor the flawless design as the iPhone.

Okay the iPhone currently is based on GSM/GPRS which is old hat now, but hey even with that old tech look what the iPhone can do, rich text email, great web browsing, google maps (zoom in and out without pissing about), iPod, blah blah blah. ITS NOT EVEN GOT FCC APPROVAL YET IT STILL OUT DOES THE LEADING CROWD (shares dipping in the major mobile phone manufacturers after the iPhone intro is evidence to that).

Now keep at the forefront of your mind how much time each of the market leaders has had in developing something to at least counter Apples efforts into the mobile/cell phone market (including the 2 plus years in develpoing the iPhone). Samsung rolled out phones looking like an iPod while Nokia the leader in the industry released its NSeries that either look like thicker versions of Tungsten Palm's or mini DV camera with mini keyboards. All I believe are 3G. What a waste of R&D funds at these companies hey, however there is something much more important. THE MARKET LEADERS NEVER REALLY FULLY UTILISED THE GSM NETWORKS IN THE WAY APPLE HAS DEMONSTRATED.

So you'll still cite issues, but hey again I say to you, its not got FCC approval yet, certainly in that time there will be advancements. Yes I appreciate that there are business users among you who need to open certain documents that are forwarded via email, but hey THIS IS NOT A BUSINESS USER PHONE, ITS A GENERAL CONSUMER PHONE.

Jobs made the comparison against other Smart phones but not for the reasons some of you think.

I hear you say, why would a general consumer want to fork out a huge amount of cash.

I would and I’m a general consumer. I’m more discerning when it comes to purchasing devices I’ve had to endure years of poor user experience with not only Nokia phones but now Sony Ericsson phones (which are better than most until last Tuesday). This is not too different from my experience as a PC user funny enough. Which is why I have never renewed my contract with my service provider.

I would buy this phone as it will allow me to do things easily on a beautiful device. I care little at this stage that it is not 3g device and that it won’t open certain types of documents. In my eyes this device is far superior to the Smart phones currently out there.

What this phone means for me is that I no longer have to put up with overcomplicated products that fail to live up to expectations.
 
I think you're on to something.

I think Apple isn't necessarily going with the hardcore smartphone crowd with this phone; that is, the people who buy Blackberries, Treos, etc. and install lots of third party apps, use their Exchange mail with it, etc.

The smartphone makers have been trying to target consumers with their devices. Look at some of the more consumer-friendly blackberries, or more recently, the Palm Treo 680. The Treo 680 is clearly aimed at consumers, although the way it is is kind of half-assed ("look, it's a Treo you can buy in different colors! Consumers love buying stuff in different colors!").

Palm, RIM, etc. have been really trying to push the idea that consumer users want and should use their smartphones too, because it will of course greatly expand their market.

But the problem is, these devices aren't necessarily well suited for the average consumer.

Personally I like my Treo 650 ok, but I can't imagine giving it to a non-techie friend or family members, and explaining to them how to install third party apps, how to browse the web with Blazer, how to set up their e-mail accounts, etc.

But the appeal is still there; my mom for example was telling me she wanted a Treo like mine because she thought it was cool she could send and read e-mail on it, browse the web, etc. But I can't imagine her using the junky mail client my Treo comes with (and the third party stuff like Chatteremail is very good, but I think over her head).

But I think for this "consumer smartphone" market, that might what the iPhone is really aimed at, at least for now. People who like the idea of some smartphone capabilities, but wouldn't be well suited to actually carry a Treo or Blackberry around.

So I think that's why the iPhone's focus is on much smoother contact management, a nicer web browsing and e-mail experience, and photo, movie and music management that is really far ahead of what you can do on a Treo or Windows Mobile-device.
 
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And I've got it from the start as well. I'm just not happy with it. :rolleyes: If only it would 'be all that it could be'.

Understandable. And I think I really would look at it as a first generation device.

Think about all the things missing from the original iPod, for example (or the original Mac, or the Newton or any number of things). Heck, look at all the things that were missing from Handspring's original Treo even.

I think that the product will evolve as more features and capabilities are added.

I'm more excited about seeing how Apple rolls this technology in the iPhone out to other devices, like a new iPod, or a sort of true "tablet"-style Mac.
 
Why Cingular? I live near a city and everyone uses Verizon because the phones work better. Plus I can call everyone I know for free. If I switched to the Iphone then I would have to pay for every call and in the town where I live The coverage is crap for Nextel, Cingular and sprint. Sorry no deal.
 
Why Cingular? I live near a city and everyone uses Verizon because the phones work better. Plus I can call everyone I know for free. If I switched to the Iphone then I would have to pay for every call and in the town where I live The coverage is crap for Nextel, Cingular and sprint. Sorry no deal.

Because a) Verizon is CDMA, and Apple is launching this phone as a GSM device, which is a more popular standard around the world. b) Verizon is a control-freak company that probably doesn't even want the iPhone on its network. Granted, Verizon does sell the Q and the Treo, but they probably wouldn't have seen the iPhone that way, and would have wanted to dictate the features and UI more closely. c) Verizon may be good in your area, but it isn't everywhere. No matter which company Apple went with initially, there would be places where the coverage was good, and places where it was bad. Cingular was probably a safe bet to start out with. d) Cingular seems to be pretty willing to work closely with Apple (to the point they even made changes to their voicemail system to enable the "visual voicemail" functionality of the iPhone. It is questionable whether Verizon would do the same.
 
Maybe I missed it but....

Isn't another HUGE unknown the $$$ Cingular is going to charge us on a monthly basis? I forecast 2 years of a VERY high monthly rate.

I want to justify this phone but it's just too hard.

For me, it's a free highend BB from work and all the phone time and msgs I care to use vs this thing. I'm supposed to trade that for a $600 phone and I'm guessing at least $100 a month bill for use. Plus I get that added pleasure of no Outlook sync which is what I live on at work.

I wished they had made the thing a 100 gig video iPod with a few new features. I'm sick of the small video iPod screen during air travel.
 
Spinoff of iPhone...without the phone...

Note...hopeful speculation below! :)

In everyone's opinion, what are the odds of Apple developing a product containing 2 of the 3 features of the iPhone: a new widescreen iPod with Wifi browsing capabilities, with of course the new multi-touch screen?

Since Cingular does not provide great coverage in my location, I would love to buy a product with the '2 of 3' features stated above!

I want to buy an iPod, but am holding off until I possibly hear of either the potential product above is developed, or at the very least a new widescreen iPod alone is created with the new multi-touch screen capabilities.

What does everyone think? Should I hold my breath waiting for either of these 2 scenarios to unfold?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts!

Tom
 
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