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Hmmm...I'll wait on an independent study before believing that. And let's not even begin to debate that depression is a mental DISORDER and NOT an illness. Again, the person has a choice and often times chooses a solution that benefits only themselves and does not take into account anyone around them. Therefore, it is extremely selfish.
Everyone has a breaking point including you.
 
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Had a co-worker die in the office men's room a couple years ago. It was a heart attack, nothing that seems as 'disturbing' as this might be. But we were all impacted significantly, both because it was a co-worker we all knew and because it happened in such close proximity.

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Folks, leave your narcissism at the door.

Not a single one of you know the circumstances surrounding this tragic turn of events.

Grow up and show an ounce of decency. The lot of you would be showing up to therapy had this happened to your coworker while you were down the hall.
 
I'm a former Apple Employee. I used to work in IL1. There were times when my job made me contemplate suicide. It was an awful time. I'm hoping this isn't a suicide. Thoughts and prayers to the family of this individual.

I'd be sincerely interested to hear you elaborate on that. Not trying to rip open a healed wound, etc. but as someone who runs his own business and has never attempted to climb the corporate ladder, I'd be really interested to gain the insight you obviously have into it. Did you just push on everyone so hard to be the best that it gets to you mentally and plays games with your mind?
 
maybe I'm in the minority here but, I have very little sadness for those that decide to kill themselves. Unless there was some mental illness, suicide is one of the most selfish things you can do.

No, you're not in the minority. Most people share that ironically selfish misconception, and think it's somehow ethical to argue that everyone on earth, whether they value their life as much as you do or not, should be obliged to go on living lives of chaos and misery for as long as physiologically possible, to maximize suffering, all so that you won't have to have your rosy worldview disturbed by the idea that everything is not as okay for everyone else as it is for you, and that for many, death is preferable in every way to another day in this world.
 
Have you never worked a job that consumed your life? Where your success or failure was just about all there was to life anymore? Ever moved away to work somewhere and all of your new friends are at work then lost that job and your friends with it? It's not just Apple, all of the tech companies force this type of lifestyle. It's tough. Add to it that some people are naturally depressed and suicidal...especially smart people.

Obviously the person isn't smart enough. There are other ways to live your life. Think about your own priorities first. I can't tell you what to buy or what to save. Just stop chasing the material world. I can understand suicide because of terminal illness or perhaps your soul mate left you before too soon. But for a job? Get the hell outta here. I don't need no stinking job to oppress me so I come home feeling all like crap and pass that down to my friends and family. Stress is always self induced. You control the perspective of things and if you let that job get you down then that's your own fault.

I can't speak for 3rd world countries but I will say that over-population and too many filled positions can cause one in a place called China to be unemployed. Then without proper income comes all sorts of hurt. But ending your own life because of a tech job is beyond stupid. Turn off the gadgets, turn off the computers. Go outside and breathe the fresh freedom air in the good'ol US of A. You will see that life is worth living for so quit that stupid job already if it's getting you down to the point you are contemplating killing yourself!
 
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Quit making **** up in your own narrow head and spewing it out folks.

Nobody knows the situation. For all you know the person could've lost their job while still grieving a loss of a family member and were in a dark place as it is.

I'm sure the day after decling profits for the first time in 13 years at the world's most valuable company isn't exactly the happiest place to be.

Apple only hires HIGHLY competitive overachieving type of people as it is.
 
No, you're not in the minority. Most people share that ironically selfish misconception, and think it's somehow ethical to argue that everyone on earth, whether they value their life as much as you do or not, should be obliged to go on living lives of chaos and misery for as long as physiologically possible, to maximize suffering, all so that you won't have to have your rosy worldview disturbed by the idea that everything is not as okay for everyone else as it is for you, and that for many, death is preferable in every way to another day in this world.

I have to admit I find it quite amusing when people say "suicide is selfish". So wanting a miserable person to stick around so you won't be sad isn't?

Once you start labeling things selfish, you're going to find that an awful lot of stuff could be. Just about almost anything we do, really.
 
I have to admit I find it quite amusing when people say "suicide is selfish". So wanting a miserable person to stick around so you won't be sad isn't?

Once you start labeling things selfish, you're going to find that an awful lot of stuff could be. Just about almost anything we do, really.

With help, time, and TLC, a miserable person can change. Death, unfortunately, is forever. If one person can be saved from suicide, I would call that time and effort bloody well spent. At that point, the affected person would at least know that there are those who love and care about them, where otherwise they would continue to believe that until they commit suicide.

BL.
 
That wasn't meant to be an argument against trying to prevent suicide. It was more a comment on those who say after the fact that suicide is "selfish". By all means, if someone I knew was suicidal I would want to do everything possible to prevent it.
 
Update: A recording of the initial dispatch call is said to point at a possible suicide in a conference room, TMZ notes:

According to the sheriff's dispatch call there was a female employee involved in an argument on the campus — and she was being escorted out by security when she sustained a head wound ... possibly from a gunshot.

As deputies were responded, they were unclear if there were multiple people involved. One portion of the dispatch exchange describes a body being found in a conference room, and that person had a gun.

Update 2: The sheriff's office has indicated that a man who worked at Apple was found dead. There are not believed to be any other casualties.

The incident was first reported by NBC Bay Area. The investigation is being run by the Santa Clara County Sheriff's Office.

A crew from the Santa Clara County Fire Department — which includes emergency medical services — was reportedly dispatched to the campus, but were "waved off." It's not clear who made that call.
 
. Thoughts and prayers out to FF very sad it had it had to happen in an office.
 
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Folks, leave your narcissism at the door.

Not a single one of you know the circumstances surrounding this tragic turn of events.

Grow up and show an ounce of decency. The lot of you would be showing up to therapy had this happened to your coworker while you were down the hall.

Thank you. Incredible how little compassion/empathy there is in the world. None of us on here knows much of anything about the details, yet we're jumping to conclusions about what happened. My favorite are the ones who claim suicide is selfish. Shows a profound lack of awareness of how fine the line is between a normal and diseased mind. When one is stuck within the grasp of deep depression with a lack of a support system on the outside, it is incredibly difficult to make rational decisions. I don't suffer from mental illness, yet my own personal experience (which is on many levels surely similar to most others) with the invariable ups and downs of life show a glimpse of how difficult life must be for those who truly suffer from some mental debilitation. It's not a joke and not something to just dismiss as "selfish." To do so is, ironically, to be selfish as well.
 
Couldn't agree more. My last girlfriend was a nueroscientist who researched antisocial behavior like suicide and psychopathy. She tried telling me antisocial behavior like suicide isn't about selfishness but profound depression and specific brain patterns. I told her she was wrong. It IS selfish. End of story.
So good you could set that straight for us. And for her (I have a guess as to why she's no longer seeing you). Where do you practice medicine and what medical licenses do you hold? I'd like to make a point of avoiding your practice.
 
It's horrible that someone died in such a high pressure environment. When I read the MR post there was no mention of cause of death so I assumed heart attack, but the possibility to shoot yourself over a job / an argument with a coworker / whatever. No employment stress is worth that kind of tragedy.
 
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