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It wasn't stolen. A drunk guy lost it.

I'm assuming you must have irrefutable evidence of this fact since you are stating it as such. You should just give it to the police and we can close the case and move on.

Indeed. But NONE of this would have happened IF Apple didn't give an immature 27 year old drinker their magical and revolutionary iPhone prototype.

Again, you're assuming the story Gizmodo presented us is the complete truth. We have no idea what facts the police have.
 
Do you really think the police would react this much or even get involved at all if one of us lost a phone that was then sold for $5,000 then returned to us? They might do something, but they wouldn't be raiding houses taking away computers and hard drives. It would be a very low priority case.
Kind of a weak argument. I'll concede that if one of us lost a phone it would not be getting the level of attention the missing iPhone is getting, but then again if it one of us lost a phone would Gizmodo have paid $5000 for it? The issue is not a missing phone, the issue is the theft of intellectual property.
 
America's Dumbest Criminals

This childish and irresponsible actions of Gizmodo are becoming weirder than OJ in Vegas. There is a difference between criminal and civil charges (as OJ learned). Civil charges are likely to follow criminal prosecution. Police aren't like FedEx drivers. They don't just leave a note if no one is home. Armed with a search warrant, they announce their presence before gaining access to carry out the warrant. It is much like what OJ attempted, only he didn't have a search warrant and he wasn't the police.

The folks at Gizmodo must be trying to get honorable mention in the next edition of America's Dumbest Criminals.*

I have heard of masked robbers later returning to the scene of the crime unmasked with the same clothes or dropping driver's licenses. Gizmodo goes a step further. They publicly confessed to conspiring to commit a felony, posted photos and blogged the whole event in a weird docudrama. 'We paid this much... We know it's real because... The fit and finish are unmistakably Apple. The owner is an Apple employee... This is the employee's name...' Then they taunted the owner by requesting a formal letter that Gizmodo also posted on the Web.

It is not "just a phone" that's already been returned. It represents millions in R&D. The leaked info has the potential to hinder months of international sales. It also gives competitor's a two-month jump to craft advertising or products in response for the anticipated Apple product.

* Page 17: "The World's Shortest Trial"
At his criminal arraignment, the defendant stood before the judge.
"You are charged with the theft of an automobile," the judge said. "How do you plead?"
He expected to hear a simple "guilty" or "not guilty." Instead, the defendant tried to explain his whole defense as succinctly as possible.
"Before we go any further, judge," the accused man blurted out, "let me explain why I stole the car."
The judge's decision was made in record time!​
 
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Just saw this:

http://gizmodo.com/5524843/police-seize-jason-chens-computers

I can believe it, but it shouldn't have happened this way. Apple undoubtedly holds a great deal of sway in these matters. Apple lost a phone. It is despicable that a company as large as Apple then relies on and pressures public resources, such as our police, to harass and steal from someone who embarrassed Apple over having lost said phone. Can you possibly imagine losing all your data in one day? All your computers, iPhones, iPads, and your backups of all your data too? It's unfathomable.

Firstly, the iPhone belonged to Apple/Apple Employee. The phone was found and should have either been left at the bar or given to the police or returned directly to the owner. The finder did not make a serious attempt to do this. The device is now stolen.

Now the finder decides to profit from the misfortune of Apple/Apple Employee as did Gizmodo by purchasing a device which they subsequently tore down. The latter now equates to Criminal Damage.

The finder profited from a sum provided by Gizmodo, and Gizmodo profited from the exposure from exposure of the lost device. This absurdity of all this is that neither legally owned the device.

As much as I appreciate that having your door knocked down and your computers removed is difficult to deal with however, you can't complain foul when you embark along a path to disadvantage another.

All who failed to return the device forthwith, and may I add a serious attempt made and not the lame reasoning of finders keepers (questionable morals) is ultimately responsible for the process they're subjected to.

Journalists are not exempt from the law being applied anymore than a nations Ambassador should be.

Damn planet is going to hell thanks to peoples loose morals. :mad:
 
it's funny how when the article came out these forums were alive with excitement. you ate the article up for breakfast and **** out rainbows while you dreamed of owning the device. now just as always, these forums blindly hold apples hand into the abyss of immorality. thank you google for advertising the nexus one at the bottom of the page, i juts purchased one and my iphone is now on ebay.

Okay and i hope something is stolen from you or you lose something and let's see how you feel. And honey , No one cares that you sold your iphone because if you really had you wouldn't be boasting about it.

We all know you will be there for the launch of the new iphone at AT&T waiting in line with rest of us.
 
Um... no. He returned the phone to Apple.

This really seems like overkill and smacks of trying to harm him and Gizmodo by taking the data and equipment. Even if it's returned someday, there will be lost productivity and time and money to put temporary systems back in order. Since they'd generally grab backups as well, some things won't be recoverable until the originals are returned.

It was overkill when Gizmodo posted that guy's name! So he get's what he deserves...:rolleyes:

Hopefully they accidentally erase all his hdd's haha
 
Taking apart and posting pics isn't the problem for Gizmodo here. The problem lies in the fact that they purchased the device itself when it was almost certain they knew it was stolen property. The whole point of this investigation is to determine if they knew it was stolen property when they bought it.

Taking it apart could also land Giz in trouble as they did expose trade secrets. Now those trade secrets aren't that ground breaking( front facing camera, case design, bigger battery, etc), but they are trade secrets none the less.
 
too many internet / google prosecution lawyers quoting pure rubbish here.

Again, I cringe every time I read "buying stolen goods", it needs "allegedly" in there, every time. And nobody is "guilty" of anything until it's proven in a court of law.

Anything Gizmodo posted on their website about the phone is not an admission, anyone and everyone has to be cautioned before you can use it as an admission, otherwise it's just "hear-say" - which is where that term comes from.

And all Gizmodo have to say is that they paid nothing for the phone. The $5,000 was for the unverified story - a fair sum that jounalists pay all the time for a leading story.

Let's drop all talk of Apple suing for millions just now, this is a criminal investigation. Once it's complete, whatever the outcome, Apple may pursue some civil action. And although the burden of proof required is completely different - another fact missed by all the internet prosecution lawyers here - they will have to show a financial loss due to the Gizmodo posts if they go for damages. And they will have to be able to show every cent as a loss, not just pick some obscene number of millions of dollars.

What is more likely, is that Apple wants to ensure that none of the technical details or data of the phone has been leaked to rivals. What Gizmodo (and this site) posted on the iPhone was pretty bland, it's not going to give any competitors an edge before this model is released. In fact compared to the iPhone 3GS, the most exciting thing was the new shape (flat rear).
 
It wasn't stolen. A drunk guy lost it.

Anyone think Steve Jobs should have a warrant on him for buying a stolen liver?

Did anyone ever say he was drunk? (NO) We don't know if it was stolen or lost we are waiting to see. And the stolen liver comment is completely ridiculous. You are an idiot to make a comment like that about an organ transplant. Especially since the mans health has nothing to do with this entire blog. Be respectful and keep health conditions out of this. Thank you
 
You guys are unbelievable.

I can NOT believe that you would support an unelegant site like gizmodo over Apple :apple:.


Everything Apple does is for the benefit of us, the consumer. There is a reason Steve Jobs was named CEO of the year. I mean, why follow a site like macrumors if you are not going to give apple your support. I would have certainly turned in the phone to apple as soon as i realized that it was a prototype. Don't know about others, Seeing things prematurely ruins the magic for me. I think that Steve Jobs would have actually rewarded gizmodo for turning in the iphone prototype, but now they are in a heap of trouble.
 
It wasn't stolen. A drunk guy lost it.

Anyone think Steve Jobs should have a warrant on him for buying a stolen liver?

It became stolen at the point he decided not to return it to the owner, given he had his full information.
 
It wasn't stolen. A drunk guy lost it.

Anyone think Steve Jobs should have a warrant on him for buying a stolen liver?

The drunk guy lost it, the finder stole it by not making a satisfactory effort to return it. Just because you lose something doesn't mean it can't then be considered stolen. You are confusing 'lost' with 'abandoned'. Not the same thing.
 
You can't just assume that. I'm a huge tech nerd yet i've lost my phone multiple times throughout my life.

**** happens.

I understand that **** happens, but when you're using your phone at the bar during drinking, why wouldn't use use it after drinking?

If he posted about drinking from the bar, someone saw him using his phone.

With other phones, it might not be as probable to be constantly aware of it, but it is with the iPhone. Between Text messages, facebook, and twitter, you get a lot of notifications to check.

When you're hanging out on your BIRTHDAY, do you call people up when you go from place to place or do you usually have a solitary day with your phone on the back burner so as to not receive any congratulations on the anniversary of your birth?
 
But, why not take it to the police station? Why not use the facebook info you found on it before it got bricked? Why not email Jobs? Saying the only thing you did was leave your number is not enough, IMHO as the steps I listed are not that inconvenient to do.....

OMFG...

FIRST OF ALL...I am talking about a regular iPhone here (in response to the quoted post I was replying to). SO no. I am not going to email Steve Jobs because I found a lost iPhone 3Gs. :rolleyes:

I would not drive straight to the police station as I would give the owner a chance to contact me via the bar -or- use info on the phone to contact the owner myself (which I have done in the past when I found a lost Razr).

If no one claimed it, then yes - I would contact the police. But I am not going to go thru that hassle until I try to reunite the owner with the device myself first.
 
Okay and i hope something is stolen from you or you lose something and let's see how you feel. And honey , No one cares that you sold your iphone because if you really had you wouldn't be boasting about it.

We all know you will be there for the launch of the new iphone at AT&T waiting in line with rest of us.

sorry i'm on tmobile, and have no interest in owning another iphone, i was just kidding about ebay, i did that 2 months ago, when apple decided they were going to be crazy with their app store policies, i've not looked back since.
 
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katiepea said:
I'm not even going to argue with you because you don't understand the legal system. Your the dumbest person around because if it was up to you people would be allowed to get away with things

it isn't up to me, it's called the constitution. journalists are allowed to report on things. and police aren't allowed to seize their belongings because of it. the end. nothing will come of this other than an apology from the police department to the editor. theres no middle ground here jackass, seriously please commit suicide asap, your social contributions to this world will benefit exactly none of us. you also should learn how to use contractions properly when you're calling other people dumb. "your"? you're*

Ok so I said earlier I don't mind being banned for my comment, but seriously can this **** get kicked off too, telling people to commit suicide? **** that ****.
 
Indeed. But NONE of this would have happened IF Apple didn't give an immature 27 year old drinker their magical and revolutionary iPhone prototype.

Yes, that is true. But what kind of society do you want to live in? This engineer made a mistake. Everyone makes mistakes. This doesn't mean taking advantage of mistakes is alright. Apple and their engineer are the victims here. They might not be sympathetic victims but they are victims. Let's not blame the victim for the crime.
 
Apple: The next Micro$oft

I am all about apple, but they made a big mistake here. They screwed up and are trying to use Gismodo as the scapegoat. Fire the idiot who lost the phone. This is really bad publicity for apple. Their image is shifting. Instead of the image of being about the customer Apple is showing its true color; they are about the product.

Almost correct.... Apple is showing its true colors. They are all about the $$$$.
 
WTF? R U people complaining about

Gizmodo stole this phone **** them, they know how private Apple is. We all know how private Apple is about their products. They are obviously quiet for reasons that are substantial and reasons that we the general public should not know about. Gizmodo took advantage of the situation for the gain of gizmodo. Its not news worthy it can only be used for harm to Apple and no good to anybody. The asian companies are probably cloning that mofo right now and trying to get it to market or hacks or whatever before launch.

Apple has every right to tear these guys a new azzhole. I say GO STEVE Fugg these idiots up. I will cheer from the sidelines:D
 
All that matters is that the finder of the phone did not take reasonable steps to return it to the true owner. From Gizmodo's own reports (and they should be presumed to not present untrue facts which expose themselves to liability) the finder only attempted to contact AppleCare, and did not take any other of the perhaps dozen more effective ways to reunite the phone with its owner. He left the bar without informing the bar's management that he found a lost valuable, nor did he leave his contact information, so that when the owner contacted the bar, repeatedly and frantically, no one could help him. Instead, he simply sold something that he knew certainly didn't belong to him for $5,000. This makes the finder a thief under California law, and since Gizmodo also admits knowing these facts, it makes Gizmodo guilty of receiving stolen goods, another crime.

Gizmodo published the name of the Apple employee who lost the phone, exposing him to public ridicule, but concealed the name of the thief who could give testimony proving Gizmodo's guilt. It is altogether fitting that law enforcement should take those steps to acquire evidence of the identity of the seller of the phone to Gizmodo.

Whether this phone was a 2007 version of the iPhone or a gold-plated diamond encrusted prototype Steve Jobs autographed model next-generation iPhone, the law is the same---the phone is valuable property, not intentionally discarded, and it does not belong to the finder. If he does anything with or to that phone besides trying to find the person who lost it, he is a thief.

There was no need to wait before gathering the evidence required to conduct a full, thorough and fair investigation, and if the evidence supports a conviction against anyone, that person should be prosecuted and punished.

i realize that but they cant go and take all there servers and computers because they reported it. If you were a journalist writing a story, the law would protect you and you would be even less likely to have this happen to you. Section 1524(g) of the California Penal Code states that no search warrant can be issued to a publisher, editor or reporter in electronic or print media, in relation to any story they were working on or their sources. thats why gismodo should be left out in the way that they didn't steal it in any way. the only reproduction at this point is they would have to give it back (only if the seller actually stole it).
 
There is little doubt that Apple pressed for this warrant.

It is enough to make me stop buying their products if this is going to be their tactics. An employee lost a phone, big deal, this is so far over the top it's crazy.

Today we already heard that Apple is telling some other guy he has "exceeded his life time limit on iPads" and now this crap....

**** you Apple... and I'm a FAN ! Just imagine the millage from people that hate your products!!!

Idiots.

:mad:

An Apple employee had a phone worth at the very least $5,000 stolen from him by a thief, who sold it to a receiver of stolen goods who made a multiple of what they paid by illegally taking it apart and posting its secrets on the internet.

And you're mad at Apple? Really?
 
You guys are unbelievable.

I can NOT believe that you would support an unelegant site like gizmodo over Apple :apple:.


Everything Apple does is for the benefit of us, the consumer. There is a reason Steve Jobs was named CEO of the year. I mean, why follow a site like macrumors if you are not going to give apple your support. I would have certainly turned in the phone to apple as soon as i realized that it was a prototype. Don't know about others, Seeing things prematurely ruins the magic for me. I think that Steve Jobs would have actually rewarded gizmodo for turning in the iphone prototype, but now they are in a heap of trouble.

Oh dear.
 
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