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Police Seize Gizmodo Editor's Computers and Other Property Related to Lost Next-Generation iPhone

chen probably starts to realize only now what he has done: trafficking of stolen goods, industrial espionage, destruction of property (prototypes can have a very high value).

even if he doesn't have to reveal his source he may end up with a felony and bankrupt.
 
Reve101 said:
was it stolen? I wasn't aware that it was proven. If it's not proven do you think it's right to break the law to prove that somebody else has broken the law? ...
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Proven? So you're saying...

  1. Go to trial,
  2. Render a verdict,
  3. THEN collect evidence

Not sure that's a good approach.
 
BertyBoy said:
too many internet / google prosecution lawyers quoting pure rubbish here.

Again, I cringe every time I read "buying stolen goods", it needs "allegedly" in there, every time. And nobody is "guilty" of anything until it's proven in a court of law.
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Bash the forum for google/internet prosecution and then launch into your own google/internet interpretation of the law. Brilliant argument.

BertyBoy said:
And all Gizmodo have to say is that they paid nothing for the phone. The $5,000 was for the unverified story - a fair sum that jounalists pay all the time for a leading story.
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Except for the fact that Gizmodo admiited paying $5000 for the phone in the article they posted on their site.
"Weeks later, Gizmodo got it for $5,000 in cash. At the time, we didn't know if it was the real thing or not." http://gizmodo.com/5520438/how-apple-lost-the-next-iphone
 
ouimetnick said:
I think a person who loses a million dollar prototype because he/she was drunk deserves to be humiliated. They lost Apple millions of bucks.
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That's your opinion, and I don't think he does deserve to be humiliated. Can you say for a fact that Gray "left" the phone? Can you confirm that it wasn't stolen from his pocket by someone nearby? Is that a justifyable cause for humiliation in which every single little detail, including his education, habits etc be posted?
 
I guess with the seized computers we will find out if Gizmodo really got the phone the way it was told. I personally do not feel bad for Gizmodo over this entire thing. They got the phone that they knew belonged to Apple, there is no way around that, they are a tech site and are beyond any excuse of "we didn't know it was Apple's." They wanted to throw it out there in attempt to show everyone up at what they had in their possession, then they deserve to be prosecuted. This whole journalism immunity thing is complete BS, being a journalist doesn't give someone the right to blatantly break the law in order to get a story. Yes they get some exceptions that others are not granted, but this case stretches beyond those limits. They wanted to play a game with Apple and now it appears they aren't too happy when Apple wants to take their turn.
 
macquariumguy said:
It doesn't matter what Apple wants, this is a criminal case. The DA might ask Apple to cooperate in the prosecution, and the DA could decide not to prosecute if Apple didn't cooperate, but it's the DAs call, not Apple.

Now after the criminal case is done, that's when Apple can and sue Giz out existence.
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What are the charges?
 
yg17 said:
**** you Apple.
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I second that. Apple made it into an issue. They have egg on their face for hiring a douchebag who thought he was cool and got drunk and now has no job because he was an idiot. Apple had to take a position. Do you think if HP's dev team lost a device while on a drinking binge HP would go after the guy who ended up buying it on the street? No they'd go after the employee and the guy selling it on the street. Apple lost some respect on this one.
 
bella92108 said:
I second that. Apple made it into an issue. They have egg on their face for hiring a douchebag who thought he was cool and got drunk and now has no job because he was an idiot. Apple had to take a position. Do you think if HP's dev team lost a device while on a drinking binge HP would go after the guy who ended up buying it on the street? No they'd go after the employee and the guy selling it on the street. Apple lost some respect on this one.
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You are swayed into your own life.

He was an engineer, probably more important to the iPhone that you'll ever be. How dare you.

Apple don't control the decision of the DA.
 
andiwm2003 said:
chen probably starts to realize only now what he has done: trafficking of stolen goods, industrial espionage, destruction of property (prototypes can have a very high value).

even if he doesn't have to reveal his source he may end up with a felony and bankrupt.
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What if they find something else incriminating in his personal laptop ( tax evasion for example?) will he get charged for additional crimes?
 
WEll Gizmodo and the seller are alot closer to guilty than aw, shucks innocent that's for sure.
 
farmboy said:
I'll ignore the non-sequitur.

Sure. So I steal the car, ride all over the country, and then when I see flashing lights in the rear view mirror, I pull over and stop and hand them the keys. No problem, right?
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Don't forget the 8.600.000 views.. :rolleyes:

So it's like.. I steal the car, ride all over the country, MAKE SOME MONEY, and then pull over
 
ouimetnick said:
I think a person who loses a million dollar prototype because he/she was drunk deserves to be humiliated. They lost Apple millions of bucks.
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Generally free publicity for an upcoming device is a GAIN of a million bucks, not a loss of millions you idiot. There's a buzz like no other pre-launch ever before... do you really think it's LOST them money? Jeez
 
realeric said:
That's a good news. I don't think either Gizmodo or it's employees are journalist. They are just criminals. :cool:
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definition journalist: A journalist collects and disseminates information about current events, people, trends, and issues. His or her work is acknowledged as journalism.

so yes they are journalists
 
ouimetnick said:
Sexual assault is different that a humble mistake from drinking.
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But, same point being made here.

You claim Gray is responsible for Gizmodo buying stolen property because he was drunk and lost the phone.

At the same time you can say the girl is responsible for being raped because she wore very tight clothing which exposed a lot of her breasts/cleavage and a very short skirt barely covering her butt.

Both being drunk and dressing like that is not the best thing to do, but it doesn't mean what Gizmodo and the rapist did is any less illegal.
 
bella92108 said:
I second that. Apple made it into an issue. They have egg on their face for hiring a douchebag who thought he was cool and got drunk and now has no job because he was an idiot. Apple had to take a position. Do you think if HP's dev team lost a device while on a drinking binge HP would go after the guy who ended up buying it on the street? No they'd go after the employee and the guy selling it on the street. Apple lost some respect on this one.
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Yes, HP would have. The difference is that no one gives a **** what HP does.
 
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