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Just saw this:

http://gizmodo.com/5524843/police-seize-jason-chens-computers

I can believe it, but it shouldn't have happened this way. Apple undoubtedly holds a great deal of sway in these matters. Apple lost a phone. It is despicable that a company as large as Apple then relies on and pressures public resources, such as our police, to harass and steal from someone who embarrassed Apple over having lost said phone. Can you possibly imagine losing all your data in one day? All your computers, iPhones, iPads, and your backups of all your data too? It's unfathomable.

Apple lost a multi-million dollar R&D prototype. Get that through your head.
 
I think its not just about apple either, any company (be it MS or google) will do the same thing in this situation, report it to the police.

very true ANY company would do this to a Rumor Site.

Apple Has Done ZERO WRONG AND HAS followed protocol and procedure

Oh really? I would have found I would have done the exact same thing. Except, I would have gone back home and posted the entire story from Honduras, far away from Apple's jurisdiction.

why? Imagine if it were your company who lost the phone
 
So Many Wrongs does not Journalism make

At what point does Gizmodo say Journalism begins and therefore they are immune from prosecution? (Immune may be the wrong word)

1) A device is left behind at a bar by the owner.

2) Someone, not the owner, picks it up and takes it home.

3) Someone, not the owner, snoops around the data in the device.

4) Someone makes a half-assed attempt to return the device, before deciding they would rather sell it.

5) Gizmodo buys the device, not from the owner, but from the person who kept it.

6) Gizmodo pokes around the device, takes pictures, shows off "serial numbers" on the device.

7) Gizmodo TAKES THE THING APART! Remember, this is not their device. It AT LEAST belongs to Apple, if not the person who left it at the bar.

8) Gizmodo names the person who lost the device, embarrassing him at least, endangering his employment, etc etc etc.

9) Gizmodo publishes photos and details of a device they do not own = who knows how many corporate secret laws they broke there.

10) Gizmodo grins - We are journalists!

Now, what if that device had been anything but an iPhone? Instead of "device," read this back with anything else in it's place. Medicine? A new weapon? An 8 slice toaster with built-in Wifi. A new design for a frisbee.

Do the rules changes because it's an "i-something?"
 
I find it highly amusing that Gawker is crying foul about the little felon's seized
computers, but could not have cared less about Apple's unlawfully gained prototype.

I want to see Gaby Darbyshire-is that an English name or what?-stripped searched and fondled.
 
They only lost it because they trusted a million dollar prototype with a 27 year old drunk engineer.

You understand part of his job was field testing right?

You understand it was his birthday right? Why would he not be partying on his birthday? He just happened to lose the phone there.
 
They only lost it because they trusted a million dollar prototype with a 27 year old drunk engineer.

Since Gray is the guy who apparently filed the police report, and he likely now has a lawyer, I seriously hope he's preparing a subpoena to find out your identity so he can sue you for your repeated slander.
 
According to california code, the item was only "Stolen" if the finder did not make "Reasonable" attempt to return the item. A phone call is REASONABLE attempt.

He does not have to use facebook, ibook, paypal, anything. If he attempted to call the owner (apple) and was shunned, then I think thats more than enough.

However, I have to wonder, at what point DOES it become stolen? I mean, Apple has the phone back. So was it ever stolen? Just because money traded hands does that mean its "Stolen"? If I find your lost dog, and I ask you to give me 50 bucks for gas to drive it to your house, is it now stolen? Was it stolen when he walked out of the bar?

Or was it never stolen because it was as Follows:

1: Lost
2: Found
3: Passed to 3rd Party (W/ Funds exchanging Hands)
4: Returned to apple

Does exchanging funds on a "Lost" item turn it into a stolen item? In what way?

Was the item ever stolen? And what point did it BECOME stolen. And lets not forget, the legal system is, lets repeat this

INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY

Meaning this guy does NOT have to prove he took proper steps to return it! Its up to the prosecutor to PROVE he DID NOT take proper steps to return it.

NOT the other way around as everyone has been claiming.

Not to mention the fact that it WAS returned when the proper owner was found!

EXACTLY even if apple did not get the phone back if the guy did at least one thing say a phone call or left it at the police station for however long it is there i think its 24hrs then it is legally his. and gizmodo is at no fault the way i see it even if it was stolen there money would of been retuned and the device given back to apple at the polices demand. as under Section 1524(g) of the California Penal Code states that no search warrant can be issued to a publisher, editor or reporter in electronic or print media, in relation to any story they were working on or their sources. so there computers cannot be taken regardless for reporting trade secrets
 
At what point does Gizmodo say Journalism begins and therefore they are immune from prosecution? (Immune may be the wrong word)

1) A device is left behind at a bar by the owner.

2) Someone, not the owner, picks it up and takes it home.

3) Someone, not the owner, snoops around the data in the device.

4) Someone makes a half-assed attempt to return the device, before deciding they would rather sell it.

5) Gizmodo buys the device, not from the owner, but from the person who kept it.

6) Gizmodo pokes around the device, takes pictures, shows off "serial numbers" on the device.

7) Gizmodo TAKES THE THING APART! Remember, this is not their device. It AT LEAST belongs to Apple, if not the person who left it at the bar.

8) Gizmodo names the person who lost the device, embarrassing him at least, endangering his employment, etc etc etc.

9) Gizmodo publishes photos and details of a device they do not own = who knows how many corporate secret laws they broke there.

10) Gizmodo grins - We are journalists!

Now, what if that device had been anything but an iPhone? Instead of "device," read this back with anything else in it's place. Medicine? A new weapon? An 8 slice toaster with built-in Wifi. A new design for a frisbee.

Do the rules changes because it's an "i-something?"

Shield laws protect sources, not journalists from doing illegal things to get a story.

And we all know that bloggers are NOT journalists.
 
Last time I checked, Apple has the iPhone. The car is in their possession. It wasn't stolen. If you drove my car and then returned my keys, I don't think the cops would break down my front door and take my computers.

I'll ignore the non-sequitur.

Sure. So I steal the car, ride all over the country, and then when I see flashing lights in the rear view mirror, I pull over and stop and hand them the keys. No problem, right?
 
Indeed. But NONE of this would have happened IF Apple didn't give an immature 27 year old drinker their magical and revolutionary iPhone prototype.

Yeah, and that girl wouldn't have been attacked if she hadn't been wearing such a short skirt, right?

Some of the responses here are ridiculous. If Gizmo committed a crime, they should be punished. Just because we may read their blog, or think the guys are funny, doesn't change any of that.

This crime isn't an internet flame war. It's real life.
 
My profile clearly states i'm 14.:D They both screwed up. Its gizmodo's job to report tech news. They DID cross the line by tearing it open. But a mature 27 year old wouldn't make such an "easy to not make mistake"

Really? :eek:

I didn't check out your profile...oops! Forget my last comment! I was saying worse things at 14 haha :eek:
 
I didn't say that if someone didn't find the owner the property that it was theres. They knew the owner was Apple, and they contacted, as you said, their standard support numbers---unless of course that the person was supposed to look up Steve Jobs' personal phone number and attempt to reach the man. The Law says they must contact the owner. Gray Powell didn't own it unfortunately, so contacting the company that owns the device could be seen as taking sufficient measures to contact the owner.

Not at all. There are millions and millions of iPhones and even more millions of iPods in the USA alone. If we discount those that are in Apple's warehouse and in Apple's stores, the huge huge majority of these phones are not owned by Apple. When I call Apple and tell them that I found an iPhone, the chance that the iPhone that I found is owned by Apple is probably one in thousand. When the finder contacted the standard support numbers, the person he talked to had no reason to suspect that the iPhone found was Apple's property.

By the way, if you go to www.apple.com, and click on "Contact us", you'll find the "Corporate Address" 1 Infinite Loop, Cupertino, CA 95014, and the phone number 408.996.1010. Maybe someone in the USA can try to find out who answers under that phone number. I suspect this would have been a more appropriate number than some support number, which I suspect was called not to find the owner, but to be able to claim that Apple was contacted.
 
Gizmodo has another problem: Gabrielle Darbyshire, "counsel" for Gizmodo, does not appear to be a licensed attorney in the United States.

A search for Gabrielle Darbyshire and Gaby Darbyshire in the attorney directory of New York State shows that she is not admitted to practice. Further, from her Linkedin profile it clearly states that she has "a law degree from City University, and is a member of the Bar of England and Wales." She is not admitted to practice law in the U.S. and cannot hold herself out as legal counsel nor retain such title within the U.S. Her statements to law enforcement officials where she refers to herself as a "legal representative" are untruthful.

Nonsense. "Legal representative" is not the same as "legal counsel." The former is a position or role that she holds at the company and so her statement is factually truthful; she IS legal representative at Gizmodo. And you don't have to be a lawyer to hold such a position. Nowhere does she claim she is admitted to practice in an American state bar nor does she claim she is providing legal advice, which is what is illegal (and which makes no sense anyway. Are you claiming she provided legal advice to the POLICE in her letter?). Speaking as a lawyer, nothing in her letter violates anything (her letter even ends with a note that it is being copied to counsel). At worst, her letter provides what she believes is legal information, which is the same thing 99% of the posts here do and which is perfectly legal. She has not represented she is a lawyer nor claimed she is providing legal advice.

Gizmodo may be in trouble but this isn't it.
 
Yeah, and that girl wouldn't have been attacked if she hadn't been wearing such a short skirt, right?

Some of the responses here are ridiculous. If Gizmo committed a crime, they should be punished. Just because we may read their blog, or think the guys are funny, doesn't change any of that.

This crime isn't an internet flame war. It's real life.

Sexual assault is different that a humble mistake from drinking.
 
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