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Police Seize Gizmodo Editor's Computers and Other Property Related to Lost Next-Generation iPhone

ct2k7 said:
TrueCrypt do have decryption tools available to law enforcement labs.
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Source for this claim? Truecrypt is pretty freakin' secure. All I have ever seen is conjecture regarding possible "back doors" and decryption tools. TrueCrypt even states that there are no back doors. It's open source and back doors can be easily discovered by the community.
 
In the pursuit to be first, they stepped on many toes, and personally called out an unfortunate individual.

Perhaps he who lost his phone is also motivated to press charges. I don't like what Mr Chen did overall, but the charges should really go against the individual who accepted the money for the phone, as opposed to making an actual attempt to return it. That person deserves whatever charges they receive.
 
redrabbit said:
Really? That's interesting.

Do you have links to more info on this? Are these tools open source? Do they sell the software to law enforcement?
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Thats why I stopped using Win 7.. there was a blog post somewhere which got removed, which said something about how law enforcement have even more access to your personal data than any previous win versions.

Edit : Even MS have more access to ur privacy
 
redrabbit said:
Really? That's interesting.

Do you have links to more info on this? Are these tools open source? Do they sell the software to law enforcement?
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Cause the majority of people

1) suck
2) are stupid

I always follow the 80% rule.

80% of people suck at driving, 80% of people are ignorant, etc.
 
ct2k7 said:
TrueCrypt do have decryption tools available to law enforcement labs.
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This is 100% false. TrueCrypt uses known encryption algorithms to encrypt your data. Anyone trying to decrypt it will either have to guess or brute force your encryption password. The latter could take tens of thousands of years or more depending on the encryption type the user chose.

Please do not spread such blatant misinformation.
 
redrabbit said:
Really? That's interesting.

Do you have links to more info on this? Are these tools open source? Do they sell the software to law enforcement?
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Let me find the link on the TrueCrypt website regarding legal stuff. If I remember correctly, it has to be legally available to the government. I don't think the tools were open source. Let's see.

EDIT: Passware does decryption iirc.
 
bsamcash said:
What the hell? I live in the same city as Apple, and I am supported by the same police department. When I got my phone stolen, and I reported it to the same police, I never heard from them again.
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Totally different departments. You have the police for little people and REACT for Silicon Valley corps.

Remember, in the USA, we put corporations above government and the people. If we were in the EU, it would be the reverse.
 
mtvfyrfytr said:
YES, of course it's lost Apple money for present iPhone sales. Why buy a iPhone now, when you now know what's coming out in a few months?
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You do realize that this has happened every year for the last few years? It is known that they release one every June. Why would this affect their sales any different now, other than it will create even more chaos on launch day? People see it, like the design, and wait. They sell more 4G iPhones than maybe they would have had the photos not been released. I am sure Apple wanted to keep the suspense longer, but..
 
Anuba said:
Well, the responses will be all over the map because this situation creates sort of a catch-22 for fanboys. On one hand they hate Gizmodo for pulling down Apple's pants.
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What do you mean by pants? I guess everyone was happy to get a look at the next iPhone. But when the iPhone turned out to be stolen with Gizmodo knowingly paying for it and then humiliating the Apple engineer for no fkin reason, people had a very damn good reason to feel happy with what's happening now!
 
FunkyMonkCP said:
Source for this claim? Truecrypt is pretty freakin' secure. All I have ever seen is conjecture regarding possible "back doors" and decryption tools. TrueCrypt even states that there are no back doors. It's open source and back doors can be easily discovered by the community.
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Say there is a backdoor. That is why I encrypt the already encrypted.
 
koach said:
This is 100% false. TrueCrypt uses known encryption algorithms to encrypt your data. Anyone trying to decrypt it will either have to guess or brute force your encryption password. The latter could take tens of thousands of years or more depending on the encryption type the user chose.

Please do not spread such blatant misinformation.
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Quoted for truth. TrueCrypt is extremely secure, as long as you choose a strong password.
 
I'll bite...

zub3qin said:
Maybe Gray Powell should be the one being investigated by police.
He is the one that removed the phone not belonging to him from Apple headquarters.
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Neither you nor I know whether he was supposed to have it outside so the last thing we need is more speculation.

Remember, the iPad wasn't allowed outside of a windowless room and was required to be chained down AFTER apple showed it publicly at a Keynote address.
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And *as far as we know* it never left that room. But who's to say it didn't go out in a disguise of some sorts?

Is it so far-fetched to think we don't know the whole story here? Would Apple ALLOW an iPhone prototype outside the walls of HQ? Now yes, Apple needs to test the phone, but does anyone know if the phone can be tested without an FCC license? And why would they be tested 15 minutes from Apple HQ- is that really a representative test of the nation's cell phone towers?
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Again, pure speculation, but I would think that a company as large as Apple has some sort of resources that allow them to legally test devices that are still under development. Besides, what difference does it make if they make a call from the lab or a bar (FCC wise I mean)?

Maybe Gray thought it would be cool to take the new car out for a spin when nobody would know. He or his buddies had made a fugly disguise for the iPhone, or maybe it was a device that Apple made but they didn't plan on the phone going outside the walls just yet.
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If this was the case then I am sure Gray would be in jail already picking Steve Jobs Nike out of his arse, and most certainly at least, would not be still employed by Apple.

If there is an accusation of theft, I think it is only fair that Gray Powell also get a search warrant. Why are we just assuming that the phone was removed from Apple HQ with their permission?
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See my above comments.
 
I wonder what Gawker's lawyer is doing these days, probably busy being their ex-lawyer.
 
I really don't understand what is wrong with so many of the posters here today.

Since when is it alright for somebody to take your things -- whether you left them somewhere or not -- and sell them to others?

Since when is it alright to buy property from an individual when you know they don't own the property in question?

Since when is it okay to be in possession of property that you know somebody else owns, and to dissect it, take pictures of it, profit on it, and only then give it back?

Since when is it terrible for the police to actually try to solve a crime, rather than softly ignore the wrongs that people are committing?
 
HBOC said:
You do realize that this has happened every year for the last few years? It is known that they release one every June. Why would this affect their sales any different now, other than it will create even more chaos on launch day? People see it, like the design, and wait. They sell more 4G iPhones than maybe they would have had the photos not been released. I am sure Apple wanted to keep the suspense longer, but..
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People on this site know this pattern. However I'd be willing to bet that the average iPhone purchaser does not. And it's not like someone at AT&T or Apple is going to tell someone: "you might want to wait a couple of months when the new model comes out." In fact they wouldn't even say anything the day before WWDC (where the 3GS was announced last year).
 
DakotaGuy said:
My question is what would have you done if you had found this prototype iPhone? It sounds like the person who found it knew it was something special before he even left the bar it was found at.
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Why would he believe it was "something special" before he even left the bar? It was disguised as an iPhone 3GS and it was only the next day he discovered there was a whole other phone under the hood. It was a bar, the guy who found it was probably as drunk as Gray Powell was. You seem to be picturing the finder as a sober technology expert in a well lit room with no distractions, going "Aha! My hawk eyes tell me I've struck gold..."
 
min_t said:
Totally different departments. You have the police for little people and REACT for Silicon Valley corps.

Remember, in the USA, we put corporations above government and the people. If we were in the EU, it would be the reverse.
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No, it wouldn't. :D
 
Okay, I just finished talking to my dad about this.

A) The employee being drunk has no effect on the case Apple has against Gizmodo. Zero. Judge will laugh at that defense.

B) The founder did not do enough to locate original owner. Calling Apple's Tech Support in his opinion was a cop out hoping it would cover his ass. What he should have done was the following:

1. Leave his number with the bars owner. He agreed he wouldn't have left it at the bar.

2. use any personal information found in the phone to get in contact with the owner or someone who knew the owner.

3. Called Apple's Corporate Number. Since he knew he worked at Apple, calling their corporate number could have been able to put him on the phone with the owner and get his extension.

4. Go by Apple's Campus himself and talk to security.

5. Email Steve Jobs. I told my dad his email was public and he said that would have been an appropriate action.

6. Turn it into the police.

He failed to do those things which makes him taking the phone stealing. I repeat, the employee being drunk and stupidly losing/leaving the phone at the bar has no effect and doesn't make what the founder did any less illegal.

C) Gizmodo also at least civilly is guilty of misappropriation of trade secrets when they opened up the prototype and published what was inside the case. So Apple can sue Gizmodo for that.

D) Chen is not covered by the section Gawker's lawyer referenced. Any info the police gathers from the seized property can be used against him. The info can not be used against the source( aka the seller), but it doesn't protect the journalist himself( Chen) from doing illegal activity.
 
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