Police Told to Avoid Looking at iPhone Screens Locked With Face ID

[burgman]

All it takes is a cop on a fishing expedition. You get pulled over, he doesn't like you and goes to search the phone.
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What an absolutely absurd thing to say. Why do you even have a passcode on your phone so? You might not give a **** about privacy, but most of us do.

You mean the illusion of privacy in today’s online world. Until bad actors are eliminated, which will never happen, then law enforcement is necessary, and the tools they need to catch the bad guys. The alternative is much worse, you need to think this through, not just thinking it’s only about you. Great you stop TSA from seeing your pictures, then the next guy inline can stop them from seeing the route he will drive dropping ricin off in malls.

 

[GenesisST]

Whenever I get a contract to steal rare jewelry from museums, I carry a burner cell anyways.

I also disable FaceID and turn off my main phone, just in case.

Never needed the extra security yet!
Knock on wood!

 

[burgman]

“...I have nothing to hide.”

You THINK you have nothing to hide. Do you sleep with all doors unlocked in your home?

An equivalency that can only exist on a forum

 

[nsayer]

Documents like this illustrate with perfect clarity that the thin blue line is better characterized as the line that separates society from law enforcement.

 

[SPUY767]

Would be nice to have an anti-law enforcement feature that makes it as easy as possible to completely lock out any law enforcement official.

It’s called closing your eyes.

 

[Apple_Robert]

It’s also true of a passcode. There is a thin veneer of difference in the US ... You probably aren’t supposed to be compelled to provide a password, but if there is probable cause that you own the phone and it contains evidence of a crime, you can be forced to.

The police or court (in the U.S.) cannot demand that a suspect enter his or her passcode into the mobile phone.

 

[coolfactor]

The police or court cannot demand that a suspect enter his or her passcode into the mobile phone.

That's a very general statement. Some jurisdictions are working to get that changed, and some already have.

 

[Apple_Robert]

That's a very general statement. Some jurisdictions are working to get that changed, and some already have.

I was speaking about the U.S.

 

[nsayer]

It’s also true of a passcode. There is a thin veneer of difference in the US ... You probably aren’t supposed to be compelled to provide a password, but if there is probable cause that you own the phone and it contains evidence of a crime, you can be forced to.

No. They can't do anything of the sort outside of Guantanamo. There is no way to disprove the phrase "I forgot it."

 

[cppguy]

Assuming you have time to do that. Try reaching your hand into your pocket when a cop says “stop” or “freeze”

If you can't reach into your pocket, you can use Siri to disable FaceID.

Just say "Hey Siri, say my name" or "Whose phone is this?". If the phone isn't already unlocked, and you had set up a "My Card" under Contacts earlier, Siri will completely lock the phone, and a password will be required to access it. Potentially you could be charged with tampering with evidence, I don't know. If you have HomePod, you're screwed, because it will take your question instead of your phone.

 

[cmaier]

The police or court (in the U.S.) cannot demand that a suspect enter his or her passcode into the mobile phone.

Yes they can. I posted an example of a federal circuit court holding a guy in prison, to this day, for contempt for failing to do so.

Here it is some more.

https://www.tomsguide.com/us/phone-password-jail-florida,news-25212.html
https://9to5mac.com/2017/06/01/fifth-amendement-passcodes-passwords-law/
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...-not-giving-iphone-passcode-article-1.3209681
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No. They can't do anything of the sort outside of Guantanamo. There is no way to disprove the phrase "I forgot it."

Wrong.

See above, including a case where a guy is in prison for contempt and his defense is “I forgot.”

 

[jimbobb24]

The lesson is - if you are into child pornography get help AND use a passcode if you don’t want police using your phone.

 

[haddy]

My private data is not worse than average and I have nothing to hide.

I guess you don't wear clothes then.

 

[MacsRgr8]

“...I have nothing to hide.”

You THINK you have nothing to hide. Do you sleep with all doors unlocked in your home?

You know, in a lovely world this should be the case.
And, I do know that some people who live very remotely actually do this. And, sure, these people don't enforce security on their iPhone either. And rightly so.

The question is: From who do you have nothing to hide? The government (who you should be able to trust) or the baddies...?
In the western highly populated world we tend to protect everything from everybody. We probably aren't naive, but we trust no-one either... and that sucks.

 

[Rajani Isa]

Yes they can. I posted an example of a federal circuit court holding a guy in prison, to this day, for contempt for failing to do so.

Here it is some more.

https://www.tomsguide.com/us/phone-password-jail-florida,news-25212.html
https://9to5mac.com/2017/06/01/fifth-amendement-passcodes-passwords-law/
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...-not-giving-iphone-passcode-article-1.3209681
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Wrong.

See above, including a case where a guy is in prison for contempt and his defense is “I forgot.”

Read what you posted. They already - via a witness and through a partial unencrypted area of the drive - knew what was on the device. At that point they trigger a fairly narrow exception to the 5th.

 

[cmaier]

Read what you posted. They already - via a witness and through a partial unencrypted area of the drive - knew what was on the device. At that point they trigger a fairly narrow exception to the 5th.

I agree. I didn’t say otherwise. I just said there are people in jail right now who are there because they refused to pony up their passcodes. This was in response to people saying “in America you can’t be forced to give your passcode.” My point is “yes, in some circumstances you certainly can.”

 

[gwaizai]

So, if a scammer finds you phone, he can easily misuse your phone in his scamming attempts. Much easier to social engineer someone at at your bank etc when they can call from your number. Plus full access to emails+++

That you don’t have anything to hide might be the least important factor when you consider wether to secure your phone or not.

Enjoy the milliseconds you save compared to faceID; you will need them all (and more) when you’re cleaning up after a scammer that got to your phone.

So true. I know people who have had their ID's stolen by scammers, and it's a real mess because you're on the hook for everything
they do in your name and takes years to resolve.

It's worth the extra second or two to unlock your phone.

 

[chr1s60]

“...I have nothing to hide.”

You THINK you have nothing to hide. Do you sleep with all doors unlocked in your home?

This is such a ridiculous comparison I can’t stop laughing. However, it should be pointed out that the majority of people could sleep with their door unlocked and absolutely nothing would happen. Paranoia and fear of the “what if” have far too much control over the way many people think these days.

 

[ThatGuyInLa]

Just say "Hey Siri, who's phone is this?"

Not if you disable Hey Siri when locked, I do. Also have trained Siri for your voice only, I have.

My justified paranoia comes not from law enforcement, but too many crazy ex-girlfriends.

 

[Scooz]

The pictures I now’ve got on my mind of officers implementing this advisory is beyond funny

 

[Jimmy Bubbles]

Just say "Hey Siri, who's phone is this?"

Except that wouldn't work since iPhone keeps a sample of your voice print to match up against. I also disabled Siri access from Lock Screen when holding down sleep/wake key.

 

[miniyou64]

For a random pullover this wouldn’t be the case.

The fun issue is the trend towards saying that biometrics are not protected under the 5th.
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I know how it works. I just forgot to add the caveat that this only helps once you have a lawyer. Which unless you are one (or have one on retainer and can call them right then and there) generally doesn’t help on the spot.

No it really doesn’t. The police operate in the shadows with absolutely zero transparency. A lawyer obviously helps but the police have way way more power in this system than people think.

 

[michaelant]

I believe that just starts the SOS call countdown, then if you cancel the SOS call, FaceID will be locked.

Indeed it does. (pressing power button five time really fast)

How do I know that? Well, let's just say I didn't know that until a moment ago.

 

[alexmarchuk]

Power + Volume up button press and hold for 5 secs. Did you not see the first reply in this thread?
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That's very unwise.

Just pressing the power button 5 times brings up medical ID and SOS then prompts for your passcode. Jeez it’s like you guys don’t own these phones or something.

Also it’s around 3 seconds with the power and volume up combination.

 

[Packers1958]

If you can't reach into your pocket, you can use Siri to disable FaceID.

Just say "Hey Siri, say my name" or "Whose phone is this?". If the phone isn't already unlocked, and you had set up a "My Card" under Contacts earlier, Siri will completely lock the phone, and a password will be required to access it. Potentially you could be charged with tampering with evidence, I don't know. If you have HomePod, you're screwed, because it will take your question instead of your phone.

That doesn't work at all. I just tried it. It doesn't lock the phone.