All indications so far are that the CPU is user replaceable. I imagine they'll depreciate like all Intel chips do.
The 8 core will thoroughly outperform your current 12 core in any task imaginable. I get it though, I like cars with a V12.
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MP 7,1 POLL: The NEW Cheese Grater Mac Pro (nCMP). Hot or Not?
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The 8 core will thoroughly outperform your current 12 core in any task imaginable. I get it though, I like cars with a V12.
Oh, it supports PCI 5. Just print out the PCI 5 spec and put it on top of the MacPro box. That would be state-of-the-art support for PCI 5 at this point.
Re Video:
One question for Jony:
If the "Space Frame" is so strong, why the F does it need such a rigid enclosure? Idiotic over priced "stylish" redundancy just to increase costs and stroke Jony's ego?
No. It is extremely likely the same NAND only daughter cards that the iMac Pro uses. Those are not SSDs. They are just cards with Flash NAND chips on them. There are two cards becaues that is the only reasonable what (especially with Apple's mark ups on SSDs) to get to 4TB ( need 8 NAND chips. And Apple doesn't want to go to double sided card M.2 which tends to drive up heat issues. )
The upside is that the NAND chips aren't soldered to the motherboard. If they fail or wear-out or need to securely destroyed, they are removable. (and don't need a new motherboard).
Pragmatically you can't hook 'random' NAND chips to a SSD controller. The T2 has the controller (brains) of the SSD subsystem inside of it. So 3rd parties selling NAND chips to a SSD controller they don't own/develop/manage is unlikely.
P.S. There are no "two" SSDs there. There is only one. It has three parts. T2 , daughter card 1 and daughter card 2 .
I propose a new poll.
Question: Are you already sick of hearing the words "cheese grater"?
1. Yes - it's puerile, obvious, unimaginative and hasn't been remotely amusing since 2003. Thing with holes in it ≠ cheese grater.
2. No - it's always hilarious and makes me snort lite beer out of my nose whenever I see it. And I'm a better hardware designer than anyone at Apple and truly know what the pro users on my trailer park want.
BTW - Cheese Grater Officianados might want to see what a modern cheese grater actually looks like:
http://www.nogarlicnoonions.com/forma-a-designer-cheese-grater-by-zaha-hadid/
https://www.nova68.com/Alessi-Todo-Grater.html
https://www.proidee.co.uk/cuisine/by-categories/tableware/blomus-designer-cheese-grater
https://www.crookedbrains.net/2013/05/modern-graters-cheese-grater-designs.html
Question: Are you already sick of hearing the words "cheese grater"?
1. Yes - it's puerile, obvious, unimaginative and hasn't been remotely amusing since 2003. Thing with holes in it ≠ cheese grater.
2. No - it's always hilarious and makes me snort lite beer out of my nose whenever I see it. And I'm a better hardware designer than anyone at Apple and truly know what the pro users on my trailer park want.
BTW - Cheese Grater Officianados might want to see what a modern cheese grater actually looks like:
http://www.nogarlicnoonions.com/forma-a-designer-cheese-grater-by-zaha-hadid/
https://www.nova68.com/Alessi-Todo-Grater.html
https://www.proidee.co.uk/cuisine/by-categories/tableware/blomus-designer-cheese-grater
https://www.crookedbrains.net/2013/05/modern-graters-cheese-grater-designs.html
Yes, they certainly look modern and stylish. I'm sure Jony Ive owns one. But compared to this:
They still suck.
And yet, thing with holes ≠ cheese grater. BTW, have you ever grated cheese with one of those things and kept all the skin on your fingers? Try something else - there may be a better way.
I am shocked at how ugly it is. It looks like it was designed by a pimp! I fail to see what it can do better for still photographic images than the 2019 maxed out iMac. If one is not doing video multi-core at present is of very little value and comes at a very high price. I already have 8 cores in my 2019 iMac and Photoshop and Lightroom which are about the only programs a person waits on anymore will not run as fast on this machine because my single core performance is faster. I guess if you are a video person and it can make you money it is worth it. But six grand for a monitor is a flat joke plain and simple! I came to the realization today that even with my 5k iMac most people who see my photo portfolios cannot see what I see anyway and my images look rather bland or non special as far as detail on a less than a 5k display. So a 6k display is fine for me but nobody who does not plunk down six grand can see my work in its splendor anyway. There will be 6k montitors within a year for less than half Apples price. Who ever heard of a grand for a stand for an already five thousand dollar monitor. Big miss Apple. Now the software and iPad IOS I am excited about!
Are you really complaining about one of the most iconic, universally recognizable phrases ever coined to describe a line of personal computers? One that describes probably the last both affordable and expandable computer in the history of Apple
I rather like the 3D spherical grating. It looks great on the monitor backing especially. Very clean and yet brutalist. I wish I could buy just the case and build my own PC. Maybe I can convince a local shop to sell me the part 
Sadly I don’t imagine I’ll own these like I did the previous iteration. The price hike is just too astronomical for anyone not making money off these =/
Sadly I don’t imagine I’ll own these like I did the previous iteration. The price hike is just too astronomical for anyone not making money off these =/
The processor in post #143 is not the equivalent of the 8-core Mac Pro processor. It has a base clock of 2.1GHz, Turbo Boost up to 3.0GHz, and an 11MB cache. The Mac Pro 8-core processor has a base clock of 3.5GHz, Turbo Boost up to 4.0GHz, and a 24.5MB cache.
Regarding the design, here is what Apple's has to say about it:
Perhaps we can refer to it as the lMP (for lattice Mac Pro)?
Yes, and I specifically asked to not to bring those specs up as a justification for $3k price difference because the actual retail price difference between those CPU's is $250, which probably translates to close to or below $150 for OEM. They're both bottom feeder 8 cores from their specific series.
For a nickname to stick it has to be instinctively associated by most people with the given object. For me lattice pattern are crossed lines and for my imagination it would be a stretch to visualize them on the new MP. Definitely not something that comes to mind when you first see it.
Does anyone do a local backup any more? RAIDED hard drives are the way to go because they are less expensive.
Regardless of retail price differences such an ask is unreasonable because you're not comparing like to like. The base clock of the 8-core CPU in the base Mac Pro is ~66% faster than the 8-core CPU you spec'd in your comparison. Though that difference drops significantly, to ~14%, when you compare turbo boost clock speed. Then there's more than twice as much cache in the Mac Pro CPU.
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RAID is not a backup solution. It aids in availability, not disaster recovery.
It is as reasonable as it gets, considering you can't buy the W-3223 yet. But to give an idea of what it will cost it is better to use a CPU that's within $250 instead of the one that has price difference of $3000, and that the new one will occupy the exactly the same market segment. And the cache size - that's Apple marketing, the new MP CPU has 8MB of L2 + 16.5MB of L3 = 24.5MB. The 4110 has 8+11 so it would be 19 MB in Apple's units.
So far, new Apple products have almost always made the old ones look obsolete design-wise. This one is a bit of a different story. I think the old cheese-grater looked more Apple-like than this new one. While I don't think it's horrible, there are several elements that make me feel uneasy. To me, the weird lattice holes, the awkward looking flat feet with the disks at the bottom just aren't as simple and seamless as the curved flat aluminum that blended in with the side, and the simple round holes of the original cheese grater.
Of course the fact that you can take the whole cover off and access everything on every side is a big deal, and the comfort of the new handles is probably better than the sharp, flat metal. Also, the lack of any ports or buttons on the front, not to mention the missing CD drive slots are nice. But it's just a bit more "designed" than what Apple usually does. I just think it could have been even cleaner and more minimalistic.
Of course the fact that you can take the whole cover off and access everything on every side is a big deal, and the comfort of the new handles is probably better than the sharp, flat metal. Also, the lack of any ports or buttons on the front, not to mention the missing CD drive slots are nice. But it's just a bit more "designed" than what Apple usually does. I just think it could have been even cleaner and more minimalistic.
I like the hell out of it. But only Pixar and millionaire hobbyists can afford them. So it helps my cause zero.
Apple needs to hire somebody to define "Pro". Not long ago, a laptop with wonky keyboard, iffy graphics, all ports removed (Ive's wet dream) and 16GB RAM max was for "Pros". And if you didn't accept that... YOU were the problem.
Last year, an iMac with a permanently attached monitor and a Xeon was for "Pros", although everyone knew that the iMac pro was just a placeholder until they could release the actual MacPro. They have even slapped Pro on an iPad ( puh-lease)
June 2019, a "Pro" is somebody who works at Pixar or Dreamworks and can afford a $10,000+ computer ( the $6000 entry model is unfit for any use) and $5000 monitors.
And stop telling me about inflation. The MacPro 10 years ago with an 8 core Xeon ( actually 2x4 core) and was slightly over $3500. Affordable for many. Now an 8 core Xeon MacPro starts at $6000 with literally NO storage ( 256GB? an insult ) Cars don't cost 100% more 10 years later. Bread doesn't cost 100% more.
Let us not forget there was a time in recent computer history where new technology meant much FASTER computers for LESS money. Ive Cook Apple thinks that faster CPU and faster graphics chips are an opportunity to gouge the customer. Even the MacMini and iMacs are WAY more expensive than they used to be.
Why?.... because Ive and Cook can. They probably consider it a Tax for forcing them to make computers at all. They care 10,000% more about AppleTV and Apple Music.
Apple with Steve Jobs..... insanely great.
Apple without Steve Jobs.... just insane.
Apple needs to hire somebody to define "Pro". Not long ago, a laptop with wonky keyboard, iffy graphics, all ports removed (Ive's wet dream) and 16GB RAM max was for "Pros". And if you didn't accept that... YOU were the problem.
Last year, an iMac with a permanently attached monitor and a Xeon was for "Pros", although everyone knew that the iMac pro was just a placeholder until they could release the actual MacPro. They have even slapped Pro on an iPad ( puh-lease)
June 2019, a "Pro" is somebody who works at Pixar or Dreamworks and can afford a $10,000+ computer ( the $6000 entry model is unfit for any use) and $5000 monitors.
And stop telling me about inflation. The MacPro 10 years ago with an 8 core Xeon ( actually 2x4 core) and was slightly over $3500. Affordable for many. Now an 8 core Xeon MacPro starts at $6000 with literally NO storage ( 256GB? an insult ) Cars don't cost 100% more 10 years later. Bread doesn't cost 100% more.
Let us not forget there was a time in recent computer history where new technology meant much FASTER computers for LESS money. Ive Cook Apple thinks that faster CPU and faster graphics chips are an opportunity to gouge the customer. Even the MacMini and iMacs are WAY more expensive than they used to be.
Why?.... because Ive and Cook can. They probably consider it a Tax for forcing them to make computers at all. They care 10,000% more about AppleTV and Apple Music.
Apple with Steve Jobs..... insanely great.
Apple without Steve Jobs.... just insane.
Indeed. I expect the pricing to be be horrific and a far cry from 6k in any reasonable configuration. It starts at 2xTrashcan after all. What does even a single 32GB GPU from Apple go for this time around?
And I think so far it all sounds like a very similar story to the last release actually - including custom versions of consumer GPUs touted as the best thing money can buy and all. The D700 wants a word!
The Trashcan was left high and dry (was there really no way to at least update the chipset/mainboard for TB3, more recent Xeons, higher throughput and perhaps ditch the barely supported 2nd GPU and make room for SSD bays instead?) and only time will tell if the story is different this time or if the wailing will be audible again around 2023.
But just like the last time around this is the most powerful system to choose if you want to/must run macOS and at least it does seem to come with some upgradeability right form the start which might help to futureproof it all a little. I'll remain sceptical though, after all they do have quite a track record of neglect by now.
This is my alt account I am at a pc with no access to my normal account. I don't care how it looks. It has what I want in a pc. Mac os.
Room inside for 3 ssd's.
I can get it with base cpu
I can get it with base gpu
I can get it with 32b ram.
With the internal ssd's it will be neat and clean look. Apple finally built a pc I can use.
Room inside for 3 ssd's.
I can get it with base cpu
I can get it with base gpu
I can get it with 32b ram.
With the internal ssd's it will be neat and clean look. Apple finally built a pc I can use.
check out the mac web page, they go in as a (most likely expensive Pegasus) 'module' if you still want to use HDD's them you can fit plenty inside, or i guess add via TB..
They could do this by expanding their lineup to include an "Edition" line:
https://www.macobserver.com/columns-opinions/devils-advocate/apple-needs-edition-category/
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/timbaj...is-the-mac-of-steve-jobs-dreams/#2ebab0f43fa3
Im not sure if Steve would or would not have been pleased with the nCMP. But I do not think it targets their “core” customers. People mistake Pros as being their core. ENTHUSIASTS are their core market. Many of which are Pros. But many pros are not enthusiasts. The ENTHUSIASTS saved apple.
And the pricing on this thing, there just is no entry level where Enthusiasts can get on board. The original Mac Pros started at around $2500 and enthusiasts could get on board. If apple priced a cheaper entry point. Something with just a simple video card, 16GB of RAM and an entry level 4 core at say $3499, it could have really brought a lot more people back.
This is just for rich enthusiasts and pros that will have corporations buying for them. It will not be for that core of people that saved apple. It’s just too expensive.
Im not sure if Steve would or would not have been pleased with the nCMP. But I do not think it targets their “core” customers. People mistake Pros as being their core. ENTHUSIASTS are their core market. Many of which are Pros. But many pros are not enthusiasts. The ENTHUSIASTS saved apple.
And the pricing on this thing, there just is no entry level where Enthusiasts can get on board. The original Mac Pros started at around $2500 and enthusiasts could get on board. If apple priced a cheaper entry point. Something with just a simple video card, 16GB of RAM and an entry level 4 core at say $3499, it could have really brought a lot more people back.
This is just for rich enthusiasts and pros that will have corporations buying for them. It will not be for that core of people that saved apple. It’s just too expensive.
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