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what's so ironic is that the biggest sites to cover apple news all have mac in their name! this site, 9to5 and macworld. Yet, it's the iPhone that gets all the attention year after year!.. I couldn't give a rats ass about some me-moji AR rubbish that only works with a $1000 phone. Get back to the core of Apple, the whole reason the company was founded in the first place and make some god damn modern computers already!

I can't believe that apple are on the verge of becoming the most valuable company in the world, the first trillion dollar company, and even with all that wealth they still have the nerve to release an AIO desktop with 1 inch thick bezels in 2018. Where is the R&D money going!?!?! The iMac shares the same design going way back to 2012, a desktop with the same chassis for SIX YEARS!! But that's not all, the most valuable computer company in the world have the nerve to put a 5.4k spinning disk in the 4K iMac priced at $1299. Great value! I could go on the same war path but it's all been said before.

Apple, don't humor us with gimmicky ads. Just make some computers that are worth the THOUSANDS of dollars you charge for them. It's that simple.

Except a 5.4K RPM drive today runs faster than previous 7200 RPM drives and use less power. My 8TB WD Red, that is 5400 RPM, has read and write speeds around 180MBps. The 7200 RPM drive that came with my late 2012 is significantly slower.
 
So, 'Apple Computer' was never a computer company? Go on, tell us another one.

That’s correct. Apple has always been a design company from day one. That’s why Steve Jobs removed the “computer” from Apple when he returned. So people would not forget what Apple’s real business model was.
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Not to sell computers, but to create differentiated experiences which users are willing to pay for.
 
To put this first world "problem" back into its proper perspective, take a few minutes time out to consider that THIS is the country where most of these complainers hail from - the LOUD, BRASH, "entitled" portion of the population of Ameria... and these videos just about sum that up:


Find another way to do your work, because complaining not only doesn't earn you money, it COSTS YOU TIME.
 
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That’s correct. Apple has always been a design company from day one. That’s why Steve Jobs removed the “computer” from Apple when he returned. So people would not forget what Apple’s real business model was.
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Not to sell computers, but to create differentiated experiences which users are willing to pay for.
Apple didn’t drop computer from their name until 2007.
 
Yeah, that’s a very good point. Apple has a seven-year obsolescence cycle on their Mac hardware, I believe, so if you were to buy a 2014 Mac mini brand-new out of the box in the year 2018, Apple would only support any hardware issues like board replacement, parts and so on for three more years.

I believe the 7 year hardware thing is from the date that the Mac is discontinued, not introduced - luckily!

But they also have a max of 7/8 years of software support, and that seems to start from the time the Mac is introduced :O
 
Except a 5.4K RPM drive today runs faster than previous 7200 RPM drives and use less power. My 8TB WD Red, that is 5400 RPM, has read and write speeds around 180MBps. The 7200 RPM drive that came with my late 2012 is significantly slower.

5400 RPM is still 5400 RPM. Rotational latency doesn't disappear just because the drive's density is faster. You'll get faster contiguous performance, but random access performance (which determines how well the drive works for things like launching apps, booting, and just about everything else other than audio/video playback/editing) is still considerably worse, because you can't change the laws of physics.

You pretty much have to pair it with flash storage to make a 5400 RPM drive even marginally usable these days.
 
Although I feel thoroughly dissatisfied with my 2016 15" MBP (as I've made clear enough above), I will say that Apple probably realizes that just releasing a "bump", at this point, won't particularly help the situation. So, in consideration of that fact, I do think it's reasonable to expect that it will take a little longer to address the problems. Two significant pain points are 1) soldered in RAM, and 2) soldered in SSD, neither of which can easily be addressed at the current form factor (maybe a new logic board design?). A third problem is the too-narrow tolerance between keyboard and screen, which again is difficult to address at the current form factor. Keyboard problems can be addressed, of course, and have already (apparently) been reduced in the 2017 version (though I have no direct knowledge of any improvements).

The only "quick fix" would be to take the 2015 chassis, add TB3/USB-c and upgrade all the internals. While that's a possibility, it does seem somewhat unlikely.

Mind you, that is essentially what they've done with the iMac Pro, so maybe it's a real possibility... Honestly, I would quite happily upgrade to a machine like that, as long is RAM/SSD were user-upgradable and the price point wasn't obscene. (I have no idea why they abandoned the old 3-tier pricing model. It worked really well, in my experience.)
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FWIW, I have written an email to Tim Cook (as I did once to Steve Jobs).
Yeah, I emailed Tim Cook a while ago, as well...
 
They are good for what they are. They make good performing chips for a good price. But NVIDIA and Intel still beat them in all out performance. And AMD's solution to CPU performance is throwing cores at the problem like Intel was throwing clockspeed at the problem back in the Pentium 4 days. Intel's architecture is superior and AMD can't touch Intel's single threaded performance.
Jesus Christ you really have no idea what you’re talking about. Please stop.
 
Although I feel thoroughly dissatisfied with my 2016 15" MBP (as I've made clear enough above), I will say that Apple probably realizes that just releasing a "bump", at this point, won't particularly help the situation. So, in consideration of that fact, I do think it's reasonable to expect that it will take a little longer to address the problems. Two significant pain points are 1) soldered in RAM, and 2) soldered in SSD, neither of which can easily be addressed at the current form factor (maybe a new logic board design?). A third problem is the too-narrow tolerance between keyboard and screen, which again is difficult to address at the current form factor. Keyboard problems can be addressed, of course, and have already (apparently) been reduced in the 2017 version (though I have no direct knowledge of any improvements).

The only "quick fix" would be to take the 2015 chassis, add TB3/USB-c and upgrade all the internals. While that's a possibility, it does seem somewhat unlikely.

Mind you, that is essentially what they've done with the iMac Pro, so maybe it's a real possibility... Honestly, I would quite happily upgrade to a machine like that, as long is RAM/SSD were user-upgradable and the price point wasn't obscene. (I have no idea why they abandoned the old 3-tier pricing model. It worked really well, in my experience.)
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Yeah, I emailed Tim Cook a while ago, as well...
if can upgrade , imac wouldn't sell and so as dying mac mini. When to buy apple product before, only see imac and macbook, the price not much diff but with 1 usb c ?What ? How do i want to do presentation with hdmi port ? How do i connect with mouse ? Since they don't provide magic mouse . In the end,have to choose imac. I'm have long time buying laptop for work(Windows NT OS i usually install) , suddenly moved to desktop because of "APPLE knew better then customer ".For a consumer from windows/ linux flavour(fedora,ubuntu,red hat) .. I'm really shock how long osx and hardware need to upgrade to match other vendor.

** i still do presentation with my old 2013 acer 8 GB ram 256 SSD.. I still alive and kickin.
 
AI. Machine learning. Big data. Large databases. Several VMs... I can think of so many use cases...
Well I've been doing all of that stuff, and I've decided that you can and should run it on servers instead, for a variety of reasons.
- Way cheaper and more upgradeable hardware, or "elastic" virtual hardware if you're using cloud
- Not tied to macOS (most of that stuff is best on Linux)
- Keeps data safe
- No worrying about battery running out, computer sleeping, closing lid, etc
- Can access from multiple devices from anywhere (with Internet)
- Enforces good habits, esp if you can do this with cloud tools and temporary compute instances

Though for ML, I don't think 32GiB of RAM is necessary. You'd be way more worried about GPU speed and VRAM, and you'd need an external GPU if you're doing anything demanding.
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Except a 5.4K RPM drive today runs faster than previous 7200 RPM drives and use less power. My 8TB WD Red, that is 5400 RPM, has read and write speeds around 180MBps. The 7200 RPM drive that came with my late 2012 is significantly slower.
You oughtta compare IOps and not bandwidth if you're looking at everyday usage. That matters more. HDDs are bad for random seeks in general, but I'd expect 5200RPM to be worse, and the iMac shows it.
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Gamers need heavy lifting.
Most gamers do not. The most popular games run fine on current Macs (and iPhones). The niche serious gamers should use Windows anyway, no matter what hardware Apple releases, cause of compatibility issues and Apple's war against OpenGL.
 
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You know nothing about AMD if you’re calling them crap.
Their CPUs tend to lose in benchmarks to similarly priced Intel products. I've only ever seen temporary success from them. With GPUs, I'm not sure, but there's probably a reason all gamers use Nvidia despite AMD having full compatibility, and I know ML researchers use Nvidia for CUDA.
 
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Apple should just start licensing/selling Mac OS on standard PC hardware and stop fooling themselves and everyone else with hardware. No reasonable person would buy a brand new Mac mini today and think to themselves that they made a smart purchase.

I would buy the OS in a Heartbeat if they did this, but now hearing they are thinking of making their own CPU's we may see a change in direction away from x86
 
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That part about Apple being the most profitable company in the world. I'd like to see the chart once they start investing in iOS based developer tools.

They would have to sell jailbroken tablets. Without command-line tools and file system access, I can't imagine someone developing software on a tablet. It's everything too claustrophobic to any developer from our era.
 
You said it yourself, the iPhone, etc. are the profit drivers. I’m seeing a time when there are no desktops or laptops. Apple and the rest aren’t doing a good job of setting the stage for this, but it’s coming. Think about how powerful your phone is. It’s only going to get more and more powerful. Do you need all of that processing power in your hand? No, but you do need it when you sit down to work. Take a look at the Samsung Dex. That’s the future. You’re going to be carrying around all your computing in your pocket. No more laptops. You’ll sit down, dock your phone and it will connect to your corporate network, keyboard, peripherals, and your three monitors. Mac will go the way of the iPod.

I think this is the future indeed, but unless the ipad starts supporting mouse, I highly doubt it will ever be used as a main computer. It’s a major restriction!
 
Apple has already lost me and they'll keep losing more and more customers as their Mac hardware gets worse and worse. The choice of hardware is already too bad for me to keep using Macs, as much as I love macOS as an operating system (but even that is getting worse).

I say to everyone I meet that's thinking about jumping ship to go for it at this point. I did and haven't looked back.
 
Considering the margins involved, introducing new hardware with radical approaches might cost a bomb (like Mac Pro) and probably attract limited number of consumer professionals. Or, Apple is going along the ARM or its own processors(already Apple has mastered graphics in mobility space with super powerful processors). I also suspect that there will be growing convergence between OSX and iOS wrt MBP and iPad. No point in updating Mac line when big changes are in the pipeline. Mere hardware upgrades at regular intervels might suit OEM licensing models but as a owner of complete ecosystem, it would not be possible to keep pushing both hardware and software, especially when portfolio getting bigger.

I own late 2013 15 inch MBP 16GB RAM,512 GB HDD and I don't see any immediate need to replace it. It just works fine. 10 years is the minimum life time of Mac Books, if you use it properly.

My experience with MBA’s, both I have owned, is 2-3 years before something breaks and then it costs a small fortune to replace, ie the trackpad. I live in Greece, so things are not as rosy here as they are with Apple support in the USA or other major countries...
 
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i think even those word kinda not technologies geek . But seem it as the truth, i see much no diff between ddr3, ddr3l,ddr4. The main important is the storage not the speed, low storage 4GB ddr3l kinda useless, better DDR3 8 GB instead .

for simple example mac mini 4gb solder worthless compare 2 mac mini 2011 user upgrable
 
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My experience with MBA’s, both I have owned, is 2-3 years before something breaks and then it costs a small fortune to replace, ie the trackpad. I live in Greece, so things are not as rosy here as they are with Apple support in the USA or other major countries...

My experience is very different, still using my 2011 MBA that runs like new, never had even a single issue with it.
 
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