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The popularity of OLED smartphones with in-display fingerprint sensors will continue to gather pace in 2019, DigiTimes reports this morning, despite Apple's decision to move away from the technology in favor of face recognition.

Citing industry sources, the report says that rising popularity for fingerprint scanners in smartphone screens is being driven by a reduction in sensor prices and the price gap between OLED and LCD panels.

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The market size of OLED panels with in-display fingerprint sensors has expanded significantly as handset vendors including Samsung Electronics, Huawei, Xiaomi, Oppo and Vivo have extended the adoption of in-display fingerprint sensing technology from the premium smartphones to mid-range models, said the sources.

The introduction of optical fingerprint sensing solutions by vendors including Synaptics and Goodix Technology in 2018, which came with more competitive pricing and fitted with the prevailing all-screen display design for smartphones, has helped bring down overall prices of in-display fingerprint sensor chips and therefore further drive up the popularity of such a technology, said the sources.
Apple was widely rumored to be attempting to integrate Touch ID under the display on the iPhone X, but the company's hardware engineering chief Dan Riccio later said it ditched any form of fingerprint scanning after hitting "early line of sight" with Face ID.

Apple has since done away with fingerprint recognition entirely in its flagship smartphone lineup, which includes the iPhone XS, iPhone XS Max, and LCD-based iPhone XR. All have a notch at the top of the screen housing the TrueDepth sensing camera in lieu of a Home button, which contains Touch ID's focused capacitive drive ring in earlier iPhones. Apple's latest iPad Pro models have also inherited Apple's cutting edge face-recognition tech.

Apple's biggest rival, Samsung, includes an ultrasonic fingerprint scanner embedded into the screen of its latest Galaxy S10 smartphone. Samsung's tech uses sound waves to create an intricate 3D map of the user's fingerprint. The Galaxy S10e meanwhile uses an electrostatic fingerprint scanner on the Power button.

Apple has explored various in-display fingerprint scanner solutions in the past, including fingerprint sensing MicroLED displays. So far, Apple has not developed in-screen fingerprint technology for a consumer device, while Touch ID has found a new lease of life on laptop keyboards, specifically in Apple's MacBook Pro with Touch Bar range and the latest MacBook Air.

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Don't get that hype. Face-ID is much more convenient. The Samsung S10 under display fingerprint scanner has some serious issues.

Yes, the first issue is that it isn't nearly as secure as previous fingerprint scanners. If Apple released something like that it would be all over the news for a full year. But of course, Samsung gets credit for "doing it first" despite doing it wrong.
 
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In screen fingerprint scanners are cheap, crap and very Androidy

I sincerely hope Apple never do this as it is rubbish and doesn’t work properly. It’s also pointless. FaceId is flawless and so much better, so why introduce this half baked crap
 
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It’s interesting that, assuming Apple put FaceID into new Macs, TouchID would have only been in 1-generation of Macs, when they could have been integrated since the iPhone 5S. I wonder why they waited so long for it to be integrated in a Mac.

Personally, I’d be happy with TouchID coming back if it meant having a full screen iPhone.

But I’ll settle for waiting it out until they put FaceID into a full screen and have it disappear or fade-in/out as required.
 
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I've always said that Tim Cook was hiding the fact that Apple was selling more iPhone 7 & 8s than the newer X series, but he keeps chanting the mantra that the X series phones are the best selling ever when all data ever released and company decisions seems to tell otherwise.

Face ID works well and all, but there are many impractical uses of Face ID that Touch ID solves so easily.

Example #1 (of many I can think of)... You're driving and someone asks to use your phone in the car. You can grab it and touch it without even taking your eyes off the road and it's instantly unlocked. Face ID is a little unwieldy in that situation. Plus, if a cop sees you hold a phone to your face, you're getting a ticket in most states.
 
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Don't get that hype. Face-ID is much more convenient.

I don’t even think it’s just convenient to use face ID, it’s more or less about the security measures behind face ID encompasses. I mean, I don’t believe any other smart phone has manufactured successfully to reproduce Face ID to Apples level of security.
 
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I don’t even think it’s just convenient to use face ID, it’s more or less about the security measures behind face ID encompasses. I mean, I don’t believe any other smart phone has manufactured successfully to reproduce face ID to Apples level.
Actually there are. Oppo is as much secure with their Face-ID on the find X.
 
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I would like to see a combination of both technologies. Faceid is quite annoying when lying in bed, in bright sun light and many other situations. It just fails too often. Having in-display TouchID would be a great addition.

Alternatively proximity unlock using the Apple Watch could also work pretty well.
 
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You're asking about security. Read some reviews I would say.

Nope, I asked you about your statement regarding ‘Oppo’s version of Face ID.’ You replied telling me that “Oppo is as much secure with their face ID as Apples”, I asked you “Does Oppo use the same code and hardware/technology as Apples?”, you tell me to “read reviews”, diversion noted. You made a claim that I asked specifically if you could explain why, there’s no need to dismiss me to the Internet to search for reviews based off something you said specifically you claimed in your post.
 
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Don't get that hype. Face-ID is much more convenient. The Samsung S10 under display fingerprint scanner has some serious issues.
I’m not a fan of Face ID at all and I’d much rather have an embedded fingerprint scanner.

Face ID on my iPad Pro is an absolute ball-ache to use. The camera is just in the wrong place and is always covered by my hand when I pick the device up.

If your device is flat on a desk you have to lurch over it to login. No thanks.

For my iPad and iPhone embedded Touch ID would get my vote every time.
 
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You replied telling me that “Oppo is as much secure with their face ID as Apples”, I asked you “Does Oppo use the same code and hardware/technology as Apples”, you tell me to “read reviews”, diversion noted. You made a claim that I asked specifically if you could explain why, there’s no need to dismiss me to the Internet to search for reviews based off something you said specifically you claimed in your post.
Your claim that nobody come close to the security of Apple's Face-ID isn't based on facts (no articles which supports it), on the other hand their are companies who are doing exactly the same. Having a 3D face recognition that has the same technology underneath it.
 
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The popularity of OLED smartphones with in-display fingerprint sensors will continue to gather pace in 2019, DigiTimes reports this morning, despite Apple's decision to move away from the technology in favor of face recognition.

Citing industry sources, the report says that rising popularity for fingerprint scanners in smartphone screens is being driven by a reduction in sensor prices and the price gap between OLED and LCD panels.

Not to mention the fact that no other oem has 3d facial recognition software/hardware that can rival Face ID or it’s Secure Enclave implementation.

So yeah what else is every other android oem going to put on their phone, obviously something cheaper and off the shelf.

No idea why some on here are calling for apple to replace Face ID with a “cheaper off-shelf sensor” solution.
 
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I would welcome anything helping to go away with the notch, but Touch ID has its limitations too: both the scanner area (home button) and our fingers need to be clean and dry to work properly, else it fails. Apple pushed themselves in a design corner by deciding to eliminate the bezels as much as possible and thus having a notch to stick out. They could have opted for a slighter larger (3-4 mm) top bezel solution, while keeping the side and bottom bezels as they are now. IMHO, it would still offer a more elegant way.
 
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Relentless Power

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Your claim that nobody come close to the security of Apple's Face-ID isn't based on facts.

Uhh, I never made any claims, as noted again for your reference:

I don’t believe any other smart phone has manufactured successfully to reproduce Face ID to Apples level of security.


Actually there are. Oppo is as much secure with their Face-ID

Again, Were you going to provide a source for this/back specifically what you said here or just ignore it altogether? (Aside from diverting me to search the internet)
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I don't like Face ID - so many situations it doesn't work nicely for me. Wearing sunglasses, wearing a ski helmet, bad light, wrong angle, wrong distance, flat on table etc etc. I hope we get a fingerprint back.

I agree face ID has its disadvantages, but so did touch ID that didn’t work with wet/damp fingers. I think the trade-off is that technology isn't perfect, and that even though Face ID probably isn’t everybody’s preference, I still think the majority are likely content with it given it’s potential. As far is Apple providing a fingerprint sensor in the future, I wouldn’t say that would be anytime soon, given Tim Cook did say Face ID is their future and Face ID is just now expanding into the iPad line, and likely the Mac line up as well.
 
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I've always said that Tim Cook was hiding the fact that Apple was selling more iPhone 7 & 8s than the newer X series, but he keeps chanting the mantra that the X series phones are the best selling ever when all data ever released and company decisions seems to tell otherwise.

Face ID works well and all, but there are many impractical uses of Face ID that Touch ID solves so easily.

Example #1 (of many I can think of)... You're driving and someone asks to use your phone in the car. You can grab it and touch it without even taking your eyes off the road and it's instantly unlocked. Face ID is a little unwieldy in that situation. Plus, if a cop sees you hold a phone to your face, you're getting a ticket in most states.
Ridiculous to look at it like that. There is no single solution that is convenient in every situation.
 
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The main issue here - since its Android and other than Sammy few vendors make much money - is the in screen sensor is cheaper than the FaceID sensor suite - simple as that.

Now over on the Apple side of things, if Apple updates the 8 (& 8 Plus) this year with chips and camera(s) from the next gen Xs(2?) - remember that rumor? - we'll get an interesting test of just how many people want the new FaceID iPhone compared to what a "iPhone" looks like for the traditionalists. My guess is the updated 8's (9's perhaps) would sell quite well, better than most people might expect.
 
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I've always said that Tim Cook was hiding the fact that Apple was selling more iPhone 7 & 8s than the newer X series, but he keeps chanting the mantra that the X series phones are the best selling ever when all data ever released and company decisions seems to tell otherwise.

Face ID works well and all, but there are many impractical uses of Face ID that Touch ID solves so easily.

Example #1 (of many I can think of)... You're driving and someone asks to use your phone in the car. You can grab it and touch it without even taking your eyes off the road and it's instantly unlocked. Face ID is a little unwieldy in that situation. Plus, if a cop sees you hold a phone to your face, you're getting a ticket in most states.
A solution to your problem: don’t use your phone while you’re driving?
 
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Not to mention the fact that no other oem has 3d facial recognition software/hardware that can rival Face ID or it’s Secure Enclave implementation.

So yeah what else is every other android oem going to put on their phone, obviously something cheaper and off the shelf.

No idea why some on here are calling for apple to replace Face ID with a “cheaper off-shelf sensor” solution.

Apart from not having fancy names for it other companies pretty much can match Apple. Then why haven't they you might ask? Because of costs, Face-ID hardware is not cheap and design considerations, less cameras and hardware smaller notch, while in-display fingerprint offers practically the same user experience.

The security consideration is ********.

1/30000 or 1/1000000 is good only for telling that your implementation is 33x less likely to get a false positive.

Both are secure enough.
 
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A solution to your problem: don’t use your phone while you’re driving?
A solution to your solution: don't use an apple phone..? – Customers vote with their feet, do they not? Sales data is self-describing.
Too much of a weirdness (AKA "think different") leads to poor sales & all the rest
 
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