Popularity of OLED Smartphones With In-Display Fingerprint Scanners Continues to Grow in 2019

[MisterSavage]

Shouldn’t really have to buy a £600 device to restore user experience though

I feel you but paying with Apple Pay is a tiny fraction of my day. Touch ID required way too many retries to unlock my device, especially as during the winter when my skin resembles an alligators'. Face ID almost always works instantly to unlock my devices over and over again throughout the day.

 

[Infinite Vortex]

The only person who talks about things while he doesn't have the knowledge of, are you.

I'm rather amused with your arguing with someone who actually owns the product. With every product you will find people with problems and the S10 is no exception to that. My mother complains about her iPhone X all the time but that doesn't mean its on the whole flawed.

My S10 works as well as Touch ID ever did, I'd for the moment probably say its better. We'll see over the summer, when Touch ID was always massively flakey for me, if it is meaningfully better. As for speed, in my opinion it's slower than Touch ID and/or a capacitive sensor. But then again, for my purposes its significantly more convenient and beneficial than Face ID and/or a side/rear sensor and/or whatever face unlock the S10 is using (which I do have setup and it does work very reliably).

 

[Achillias]

The latest update fixed the issues, you would know this if you actually owned the device, but no you are just regurgitating what you have read. Please carry on

You need to get that brick wall of glasses out of your eyes, since you're in the perception that the firmware update fixed the problems for every S10 users, which it didn't. But how do you know if you don't read.
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I'm rather amused with your arguing with someone who actually owns the product. With every product you will find people with problems and the S10 is no exception to that. My mother complains about her iPhone X all the time but that doesn't mean its on the whole flawed.

My S10 works as well as Touch ID ever did, I'd for the moment probably say its better. We'll see over the summer, when Touch ID was always massively flakey for me, if it is meaningfully better. As for speed, in my opinion it's slower than Touch ID and/or a capacitive sensor. But then again, for my purposes its significantly more convenient and beneficial than Face ID and/or a side/rear sensor and/or whatever face unlock the S10 is using (which I do have setup and it does work very reliably).

Doesn't matter if he owns it or not. There are still a lot of reports of not correct working underdisplay fingerprintscanners from different owners of the Galaxy S10. Generalising the issue because he isn't experience those things is another way of being ignorant. It still doesn't come close to the security and flawless of Face-ID.

 

[torana355]

It still doesn't come close to the security and flawless of Face-ID.

Plenty of reports of Face ID being far from flawless, Perhaps it is you who should be taking off the brick wall glasses and put down the Apple cool aid while you are at it.

 

[reservoirdog]

I don’t trust fascist cops with FaceID, and I won’t buy a phone without TouchID (which won’t unlock my phone)

 

[Zxxv]

I feel you but paying with Apple Pay is a tiny fraction of my day. Touch ID required way too many retries to unlock my device, especially as during the winter when my skin resembles an alligators'. Face ID almost always works instantly to unlock my devices over and over again throughout the day.

Never had a problem with my fingers in winter. I do agree Face ID is pretty smooth

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

Had the the S10+ since release and I very happy with the in display FPS. The first week was a little awkward, but now I don't even think about it. It just works.

I would guesstimate I have a 95% success rate when unlocking my phone from an off display, and near 100% success rate when using it for everything else (like within apps and etc).

 

[coolfactor]

I don't like Face ID - so many situations it doesn't work nicely for me. Wearing sunglasses, wearing a ski helmet, bad light, wrong angle, wrong distance, flat on table etc etc. I hope we get a fingerprint back.

If you wear sunglasses or a helmet on a regular basis, you can register an "Alternative Face" with the phone to cover those situations.

Settings > Face ID > Set up Alternative
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Apple pushed themselves in a design corner by deciding to eliminate the bezels as much as possible and thus having a notch to stick out. They could have opted for a slighter larger (3-4 mm) top bezel solution, while keeping the side and bottom bezels as they are now. IMHO, it would still offer a more elegant way.

Do you realize how much pressure there was on Apple to have a "zero-bezel" design? They deliver that, and then people still complain. The notch is seriously a non-issue. Not even noticed in my usage. Elegantly incorporated into the screen layout.

 

[one more]

Do you realize how much pressure there was on Apple to have a "zero-bezel" design? They deliver that, and then people still complain.

Well, I have never put any pressure on Apple re: zero-bezel design.

 

[CC77]

Do you realize how much pressure there was on Apple to have a "zero-bezel" design? They deliver that, and then people still complain. The notch is seriously a non-issue. Not even noticed in my usage. Elegantly incorporated into the screen layout.

...when did Apple deliver a zero-bezel design?

 

[FFR]

So secure I can say hey look at this and you just unlocked it for me.
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You mean like Microsoft and connect?

No idea, I was under the impression Microsoft’s smartphone division was shuttered after Ballmer bought and burned Nokia to the ground.

Don’t think Microsoft makes phones anymore.

 

[I7guy]

I've always said that Tim Cook was hiding the fact that Apple was selling more iPhone 7 & 8s than the newer X series, but he keeps chanting the mantra that the X series phones are the best selling ever when all data ever released and company decisions seems to tell otherwise.

Face ID works well and all, but there are many impractical uses of Face ID that Touch ID solves so easily.

Example #1 (of many I can think of)... You're driving and someone asks to use your phone in the car. You can grab it and touch it without even taking your eyes off the road and it's instantly unlocked. Face ID is a little unwieldy in that situation. Plus, if a cop sees you hold a phone to your face, you're getting a ticket in most states.

Actually in many jurisdictions, even touching a phone like that would get you a ticket. A better way is to give your phone to the passenger before the trip and when it's time to unlock just recite the passcode. This way one doesn't risk a ticket. Of course we could make up any number of use cases that shows a fault.

For example, it could be frigid out and for whatever reason (your fingers are chapped), touch id doesn't work. What are you going to do?

 

[Shanghaichica]

I don't think Apple will use an in display FPS. They made it quite clear at the iPhone X keynote that they consider face ID to be superior and the future.

 

[Infinite Vortex]

Actually in many jurisdictions, even touching a phone like that would get you a ticket. A better way is to give your phone to the passenger before the trip and when it's time to unlock just recite the passcode. This way one doesn't risk a ticket. Of course we could make up any number of use cases that shows a fault.

Well, Apple could implement something like the Smart Lock feature on Android (not sure if its an Android thing or a Samsung thing) where the phone can unlock without requiring authentication when its in range of a trusted device, amongst other criteria. I use it with my car and find it useful for just this especially for passenger use… and I don't have to pass on any passcodes etc to someone else.

 

[Gilligan's last elephant]

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Well, Apple could implement something like the Smart Lock feature on Android (not sure if its an Android thing or a Samsung thing) where the phone can unlock without requiring authentication when its in range of a trusted device, amongst other criteria. I use it with my car and find it useful for just this especially for passenger use… and I don't have to pass on any passcodes etc to someone else.

It's an Android thing. I don't think people who haven't experienced it can appreciate it. Giving your passcode to a passenger?????

 

[I7guy]

Well, Apple could implement something like the Smart Lock feature on Android (not sure if its an Android thing or a Samsung thing) where the phone can unlock without requiring authentication when its in range of a trusted device, amongst other criteria. I use it with my car and find it useful for just this especially for passenger use… and I don't have to pass on any passcodes etc to someone else.

That’s one option. I personally won’t use it because I would want my phone unlocked by me. But options are good. I would want to set an extended timeout, which now can’t be done.

 

[Infinite Vortex]

That’s one option. I personally won’t use it because I would want my phone unlocked by me. But options are good. I would want to set an extended timeout, which now can’t be done.

Yeah, but you don't pass your phone around like a bag of chocolates, or other such thing, do you. For me it works well as the car is both contextual and moving. The home on the other hand is a completely other thing. That I won't turn on!

But you're right, options are always good. Otherwise things won't move forward.

FWIW, the iOS implementation IMHO of throwing up a message I need to read and interact with is downright dangerous. Apple assumes it knows my circumstances and it's often wrong.

 

[I7guy]

Yeah, but you don't pass your phone around like a bag of chocolates, or other such thing, do you. For me it works well as the car is both contextual and moving. The home on the other hand is a completely other thing. That I won't turn on!

But you're right, options are always good. Otherwise things won't move forward.

FWIW, the iOS implementation IMHO of throwing up a message I need to read and interact with is downright dangerous. Apple assumes it knows my circumstances and it's often wrong.

My phone isn’t passed around and I don’t have an issue getting my wife to unlock my phone.

When I drive my phone is in my pocket and all interaction is done through the cars nav system, even reading the text messages through the speaker.

 

[Infinite Vortex]

My phone isn’t passed around and I don’t have an issue getting my wife to unlock my phone.

When I drive my phone is in my pocket and all interaction is done through the cars nav system, even reading the text messages through the speaker.

If the phone is in your pocket what difference does it make if your phone is locked or unlocked?

 

[I7guy]

If the phone is in your pocket what difference does it make if your phone is locked or unlocked?

My phone will be locked due to mobile mdm. However for me I would keep the phone locked without the mdm.

 

[Coconut Bean]

If you want to focus on security go right ahead, I said implementation. And apples Face ID and Secure Enclave implantation is second to none.

What do you mean by implementation?

I consider the Secure Enclave to be a highly technical security feature, which while maybe new when it came out is pretty standard at this point.

Regarding the UX, I find it highly subjective. Is FaceID really better than under-display fingerprint scanner, I can see advantages and drawbacks with both? And even if you choose one over the other, how much does it actually matter? In the end having both face recognition and under-display fingerprint (Oneplus 6T with a faster but less secure face recognition) is the best? I used face recognition on Galaxy Nexus, slow and not secure and we have come a long-long way since then. And while I wouldn't trust some of the face recognition implementations with my most valuable information, I still think from a UX perspective Apple's FaceID is matched and in few cases trumped.

 

[bobmepp]

I've always said that Tim Cook was hiding the fact that Apple was selling more iPhone 7 & 8s than the newer X series, but he keeps chanting the mantra that the X series phones are the best selling ever when all data ever released and company decisions seems to tell otherwise.

Face ID works well and all, but there are many impractical uses of Face ID that Touch ID solves so easily.

Example #1 (of many I can think of)... You're driving and someone asks to use your phone in the car. You can grab it and touch it without even taking your eyes off the road and it's instantly unlocked. Face ID is a little unwieldy in that situation. Plus, if a cop sees you hold a phone to your face, you're getting a ticket in most states.

Face ID is not so intrusive or slow as to require staring at it in a way that would get a cop's attention. It is very fast. There would be no need, in your car scenario, to hold the phone up in front of your face. If you would be doing this frequently, you could, in settings, opt out of Face ID requiring attention to work, so that your passenger would only need to wave the phone in front of your face for less than a second and it could be at an angle that would not have it blocking your view of the road in order to look directly at the phone. Another advantage over Touch ID: no need to take your hand off the wheel to touch a screen. In my day to day use, I have no awareness that Face ID is even working - it is remarkably unobtrusive and effective.
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Apple Pay was definitely easier with Touch ID compared to Face ID

Except when my finger was damp, or my fingerprint was beat-up out of recognition by all of the handyman work I do. Then I'd be tapping in my passcode, which has happened only once with Face ID, at least in my experience.

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Had the the S10+ since release and I very happy with the in display FPS. The first week was a little awkward, but now I don't even think about it. It just works.

I would guesstimate I have a 95% success rate when unlocking my phone from an off display, and near 100% success rate when using it for everything else (like within apps and etc).

I have 99.9 percent success rate with Face ID from off display. I was getting about a 95 percent success rate with Touch ID, but, because I put a lot of wear on my fingerprints working around the house and garden, I found that I had to update my fingerprints about once per month. In any case, a 95 percent success rate is far more intrusive than the experience I'm having with Face ID. These percentages, of course, are estimates; my point being that I've experienced almost zero failures of Face ID. The only one so far, was when I was wearing a dust mask.

 

[AutomaticApple]

...when did Apple deliver a zero-bezel design?

Never.

 

[bobmepp]

Never.

And thank God they haven't!